withdrawing bids?
Nikki Moonlight
yeah i got a problem with the auction thing..i put in an offer, but i want to withdraw it as i got the item i wanted cheaper then the auction was doing...is there a way to do this or do i just have to blindly hope someone outbids me?
Jiao Yang
i dont like the auction here so i dont use it but there isnt anything to actually stop u not paying apart from a bad mark on your account. If u make an agreement ingame with the seller perhaps he wont mind if the auction ends and u dont want to pay.
Burakus Lightwing
I have a problem too. I won an auction least week, left a message w/IGN and I'm still waiting for my item. I know this doesn't help the OP I just needed to get that off my chest. To the OP if yours turns out like mine then nothing to worry about maybe they'll forget all about you.
quickmonty
Someone takes the time to post an item for auction. You won the bid then say, "I don't want it because I found it cheaper." The person now has to set up an auction again. You screwed him! If that is the way you want to be ...... fine. But my advice to you is just don't bid on items.
I've used the auction several times and, so far, everyone I have dealt with has been fair and honest. I hope you never bid on any of my items.
I've used the auction several times and, so far, everyone I have dealt with has been fair and honest. I hope you never bid on any of my items.
Gonzo
I second quickmonty.
How would you feel if you placed a bid on an item (for a good price) and when the auction is over the seller whisp's you "You can't have it, somebody offered me a extremly high price for it, so I sold it".
How would you feel if you placed a bid on an item (for a good price) and when the auction is over the seller whisp's you "You can't have it, somebody offered me a extremly high price for it, so I sold it".
Arya Nibelrund
If you want to sell an item in this forum, then it's good manner not to try to sell the item ingame too. It's usually what reputable traders do, they reserve that item for selling here and not ingame, unless they specify they're gonna try to sell it in GW too, in which case you know what may happen.
If you bid on an item here, then it's good manner again not to try to buy a similar item ingame, and honour your bid (or tell the OP you retract your bid, so other bidders know they can ignore your offer and the auction is still open)
You may get banned from this site if your bids are never honored (SSJ knows it well).
Those are simple and plain rules, if you behave differently then you'd go in my blacklist and i would never try to trade with you again.
If you bid on an item here, then it's good manner again not to try to buy a similar item ingame, and honour your bid (or tell the OP you retract your bid, so other bidders know they can ignore your offer and the auction is still open)
You may get banned from this site if your bids are never honored (SSJ knows it well).
Those are simple and plain rules, if you behave differently then you'd go in my blacklist and i would never try to trade with you again.
Reaper
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Originally Posted by Gonzo
I second quickmonty.
How would you feel if you placed a bid on an item (for a good price) and when the auction is over the seller whisp's you "You can't have it, somebody offered me a extremly high price for it, so I sold it". Here's what happened recently to me. I had items in an auction, auction ended and I told people I would contact them in game. As soon as I logged on, someone who hadn't bid offered me a little over twice the highest bid to buy an item right then. I declined, because I had agreed to sell to the highest bidder. When I finally tracked him down, he tells me he's not interested anymore. That was a little irritating.
How would you feel if you placed a bid on an item (for a good price) and when the auction is over the seller whisp's you "You can't have it, somebody offered me a extremly high price for it, so I sold it". Here's what happened recently to me. I had items in an auction, auction ended and I told people I would contact them in game. As soon as I logged on, someone who hadn't bid offered me a little over twice the highest bid to buy an item right then. I declined, because I had agreed to sell to the highest bidder. When I finally tracked him down, he tells me he's not interested anymore. That was a little irritating.
Jetdoc
The general rules of auctions are:
1. If you bid on an item, you are allowed to withdraw your bid on that item if you do so before the auctioneer closes the auction (or the time expires). That is the risk that an auctioneer runs for setting a longer timeframe or wanting to secure another higher bid. Withdrawing a bid after an auction ends is unethical.
2. If you are selling an item and are trying to sell it in game, set a reserve equal to the amount you are asking for it in game. Let people bid under that amount on the site. If you can't sell it in game for that amount, sell it to the highest bidder on the site. The auctioneer has the obligation to sell the item to the highest bidder on the site IF he did not set a reserve, or the reserve he set was met. If he sells the item in game for more than the reserve, then he is unethical.
If the site does not allow bidders to withdraw their bids before an auction ends, it is the fault of the site and NOT the bidder. I think that the bidder should send the auctioneer a PM to indicate that the bid is withdrawn, but again, that should occur before the expiration time for the auction.
1. If you bid on an item, you are allowed to withdraw your bid on that item if you do so before the auctioneer closes the auction (or the time expires). That is the risk that an auctioneer runs for setting a longer timeframe or wanting to secure another higher bid. Withdrawing a bid after an auction ends is unethical.
2. If you are selling an item and are trying to sell it in game, set a reserve equal to the amount you are asking for it in game. Let people bid under that amount on the site. If you can't sell it in game for that amount, sell it to the highest bidder on the site. The auctioneer has the obligation to sell the item to the highest bidder on the site IF he did not set a reserve, or the reserve he set was met. If he sells the item in game for more than the reserve, then he is unethical.
If the site does not allow bidders to withdraw their bids before an auction ends, it is the fault of the site and NOT the bidder. I think that the bidder should send the auctioneer a PM to indicate that the bid is withdrawn, but again, that should occur before the expiration time for the auction.
Nikki Moonlight
as a note..i was planning to buy it through the site..but what i wanted was like 10-15k cheaper of what is considered normal..i know you'll still criticise me, but, i'm not gonna resist a cheap price..
Wrath Of Dragons
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Originally Posted by Jetdoc
If the site does not allow bidders to withdraw their bids before an auction ends, it is the fault of the site and NOT the bidder. I think that the bidder should send the auctioneer a PM to indicate that the bid is withdrawn, but again, that should occur before the expiration time for the auction.
even if you send a PM, your bid still appears active on his auction which is bad
quickmonty
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Originally Posted by Grim Weeper
as a note..i was planning to buy it through the site..but what i wanted was like 10-15k cheaper of what is considered normal..i know you'll still criticise me, but, i'm not gonna resist a cheap price..
Buy the cheaper one, honor your bid on the other one, sell the extra one or give it to a guildy.
Effendi Westland
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Originally Posted by Wrath Of Dragons
even if you send a PM, your bid still appears active on his auction which is bad
Yes but the seller may not give a bad remark to you. If I was selling (which mostly i am) and then contacted in game (while the auction is still opened) that a bid is withdrawn, i wouldnt mind it as much. I wouldnt give a bad mark to that person, however i would when an acution ends and the person decides he doesn't want it.
KiyaKoreena
I would suggest sending a message to the seller saying that you found a cheaper one already and want to withdraw your bid. It only takes a couple minutes to close an auction and relist it (which is what I would gladly do if a bidder messaged me politely and explained why they were withdrawing.)
EternalTempest
I'm starting to sell things on auction. If somone were to contact me about withdrawing a bid, how I would react would be based on what item, and tone / voice / reason of the person as long as they contacted me before the auction ended.
If I agree to it as a legit or ok reason for me, I would give a netural and post comment as to reason for withdraw in the feedback. If I feel its "I changed my mind" or waited till after the auction I'm most likely to give negative w/ full details. For me I would deal with it on a case by case basis.
If I agree to it as a legit or ok reason for me, I would give a netural and post comment as to reason for withdraw in the feedback. If I feel its "I changed my mind" or waited till after the auction I'm most likely to give negative w/ full details. For me I would deal with it on a case by case basis.
thelessa
I have had 3 people just NOT want the item after they have bid on it. They either didn't have the gold and never did, or like you bought it in game. It would have been REALLY nice if they had told me about it before the auction ended, via email. Then I could have closed it right away and relisted it. I remember that one actually did, and I felt a whole lot better knowing that right away and was not really upset about it.
Nazo
I have to second what Jetdoc says. It's not fair that a buyer can't withdraw a bid officially. First of all, it screws up the system if they can't buy it or something for example. Even if the seller agrees to let them change their mind, if they don't get outbid before the time is up, then the seller has to relist. If you could withdraw your bid though, it would automatically set the auction back down to the price of the next highest bidder (well, if there are no other bidders, at least it means the seller only has to click "relist" to relist it if it ends with no bids.)
Just last night I accidentally bid on the wrong thing. I wanted a slightly different thing and ended up wasting what to me felt like half my savings (I'm at the point where 1 platinum is pure blood and sweat.) I lost another bid because I couldn't put more money on it due to the fact I had put too much on the wrong item. Ok, my mistake, but, don't I have the right to choose to withdraw that mistake? Guildwarsguru NEEDS people wanting to use the auction system, and I for one feel a little afraid to keep bidding on items since I don't have to worry about such problems in-game. It may not increase the number of users by 2x or anything silly like that, but, any increase is a good increase.
I do think there should be some rules in place though. Like maybe you can only withdraw your bid within a certain time period of posting it and, of course, before the auction ends (now I do feel that if you bid on something and the auction ends, you're stuck with it.)
Just last night I accidentally bid on the wrong thing. I wanted a slightly different thing and ended up wasting what to me felt like half my savings (I'm at the point where 1 platinum is pure blood and sweat.) I lost another bid because I couldn't put more money on it due to the fact I had put too much on the wrong item. Ok, my mistake, but, don't I have the right to choose to withdraw that mistake? Guildwarsguru NEEDS people wanting to use the auction system, and I for one feel a little afraid to keep bidding on items since I don't have to worry about such problems in-game. It may not increase the number of users by 2x or anything silly like that, but, any increase is a good increase.
I do think there should be some rules in place though. Like maybe you can only withdraw your bid within a certain time period of posting it and, of course, before the auction ends (now I do feel that if you bid on something and the auction ends, you're stuck with it.)
thelessa
I think that withdrawing a bid as an option should have a penalty to it, say automatic negative feedback. Because, if you can just withdraw a bid any time you wanted to that would not be fair either. People would abuse it left and right.
Inde
Withdrawing a bid, the way this would work is to allow the seller to delete a bid. I can't allow both a seller the ability to delete a bid and the buyer the ability to withdraw a bid. We open it up to much to abuse and exploit. So if we work on giving seller's the ability to delete a bid, a buyer can contact the seller and the seller can then make the decision and take care of his own auction. I know that there might be some protest over that, but it's really the only fair way.
Nazo
Well, I agree that it would be best, but, the problem is, most sellers won't get the e-mail in time. If at all. Heck, I've sent two people e-mails about items won in an auction that didn't meet my reserve and never got a response from either. (At the time I didn't know I had the option to select to officially sell the item at the lower price so it would tell them they've won and all that. I did that for the second person and still never got any response so I gave up.)
That's why I'm thinking it could just allow withdrawing within a certain reasonable time period and before the auction ends (sorry snipers, that's the price you pay) and just automatically go back down to the next higher bidder. This way you don't have to try to rush to contact the seller before it's too late (and I suspect none of the bids I make could be withdrawn in time) and the auction still ends sucessfully with an official winner so that person will still buy the item (as with my problem, if they don't think they've won and you try to contact them after, often you can't get them to buy it whether because it's too late or because they just never see the e-mail or whatever.)
EDIT: Oh, btw. It occurs to me that it would be a good idea to at least allow the edit of a bid. If you bid too high but do still want the item, you should be able to lower your maximum (though obviously not below the current going price -- that's what withdrawing is for.) By the same token, you should be able to raise your maximum without having to raise the minimum (if you bid again with a new max, last I checked it raises the price to the next step up even though no one new technically bid on it.)
That's why I'm thinking it could just allow withdrawing within a certain reasonable time period and before the auction ends (sorry snipers, that's the price you pay) and just automatically go back down to the next higher bidder. This way you don't have to try to rush to contact the seller before it's too late (and I suspect none of the bids I make could be withdrawn in time) and the auction still ends sucessfully with an official winner so that person will still buy the item (as with my problem, if they don't think they've won and you try to contact them after, often you can't get them to buy it whether because it's too late or because they just never see the e-mail or whatever.)
EDIT: Oh, btw. It occurs to me that it would be a good idea to at least allow the edit of a bid. If you bid too high but do still want the item, you should be able to lower your maximum (though obviously not below the current going price -- that's what withdrawing is for.) By the same token, you should be able to raise your maximum without having to raise the minimum (if you bid again with a new max, last I checked it raises the price to the next step up even though no one new technically bid on it.)