"Ranger" question....

Whitefeather

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

At our Finest Hour

R/E

Now I know the ideas a bit odd, but I had an idea for a PvE build that might work out decently...

W/R, If strenght does what I think it does, it adds to the chance of armour penetration, and over all physical damage...

Now...
If I were to make a W/R And use Strength, and Marksmanship with a bow...

Would strength add to my damage with a bow?
Or no?

Stealthy Trapper

Stealthy Trapper

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Cincinnati, Ohio

Knights Assassins [Kill]

R/

Actually I think this does work. This may be a good damage dealing build. Strength gives 1% armor penetration for every point and, it says it increases damage for ATTACK SKILLS. Marksmanship says it increases damage done with a bow. So therefore there is no reason it shouldn't work. I might try this with my w/r tonight........HHMM 10% sundering string+ max Shadow bow+ 12 in strength = good chances for armor penetration and critical hits. Cool?

VGJustice

VGJustice

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Tyria, cappin' ur bosses

Boston Guild [BG]

R/W

Uh... wouldn't it be better for the War to have a high Strength along with 16 in a weapon skill rather than 12 in Marksmanship? Base damage is still more important in the long run. Amror penetration is just a bonus.

Esrever

Esrever

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Looking For Guild

It will slightly increase your damage, but trading that tiny bit more damage for the uberOMFG1337ness of Expertise is a horrible, horrible idea.

heist23

Journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Mo

it would probably work, but then it's still a bad idea. why? the warrior is meant to do damage, something it does very, very well. even better than an elementalist. 16 in axe mastery would pretty much kill anything in your way pretty fast. but if you take 12 in marks and 16 in strength, you're basically kicking yourself in the ass in terms of damage.

even with a horn bow (10% ingrained armor penetration) on top of the 16% you've got, you still wouldn't be able to match an axe warrior running around, hacking away.

Inureface

Inureface

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Asian in Lousiana

The Endbringers

R/Me

But 10% along with 16% and an attack like penetrating shot = 46% armor penetration 0_0. Even though in raw damage you aren't as effective, it'll give those guys a huge surprise. Assuming you're using an elemental string. 46% AP against a warrior is 80/2=40. Meaning on that full armored warrior, you're hitting 25% harder than on a spellcaster normally. I didn't factor in shield but thats one damn powerful attack.

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by heist23
it would probably work, but then it's still a bad idea. why? the warrior is meant to do damage, something it does very, very well. even better than an elementalist. 16 in axe mastery would pretty much kill anything in your way pretty fast. but if you take 12 in marks and 16 in strength, you're basically kicking yourself in the ass in terms of damage.

even with a horn bow (10% ingrained armor penetration) on top of the 16% you've got, you still wouldn't be able to match an axe warrior running around, hacking away. Ahhhh, the old Heavy Ranger build.... good times

Dont forget Penetrating attack. +20% penetration and cost 10 energy.
Adrenal skills work when you hit with a bow, so using bonetti defense when you were being att by someone to gain energy isn't a bad idea.

And yes an axe warrior do more damage than a Heavy ranger, but you forget of little thing: 12 marks barrage + max strength = 16% pen attack with a +12-14 to everyone close to your target and cost only 5. Favorable Wind can help for a heavy ranger to do some more damage mixed with a preparation (Read the wind for exemple) if they dont want to waste their energy. Traps, forget it, stance, Storm chaser and Bonetti are a good way to gain energy when struck.

Bow attacks, you must choose carefully. Some costs 10, 5 and one with 25 energy. Like I said upper, penetrating att cost energy 10 and Barrage is 5 energy.

By the way, If you want to hit really hard for one shot skill set, you need a monk smiting. The reason? .... You'll see (tested by myself with my friend while he's playing a smiting monk)

Strength= 10
Tactic = 10
Marksmanship =12

Skill
Read the wind
Favorable wind
Pen attack
Bonetti defense
(Rest is up to you)

Using an old purple max bow this time with 15% dmg while HP above

The Monk..... Judge insigh

Imagine the damage after that when I used Pen att while I still have FW and RTW

Whitefeather

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

At our Finest Hour

R/E

Lol, Judges FTW,
I recently Posted in the J.I. Thread and got a convo going in there too...

Yeah...
So, general consensus is the builds a half decent Idea...

I mean, It'd be interesting to see how the PvP Noobs of CT treat a lady warrior with a bow...

"OMG GET THE UBER 1337 TANK, AND WE'LL WINZORZ!"

May I ask you this Francis....
Along with your smiting friend....

A necro with... ere say... *looks around* Weaken Armour...

Yes... Excellent...

Ha ha ha

heist23

Journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Demeules
Ahhhh, the old Heavy Ranger build.... good times

Dont forget Penetrating attack. +20% penetration and cost 10 energy.
Adrenal skills work when you hit with a bow, so using bonetti defense when you were being att by someone to gain energy isn't a bad idea.

And yes an axe warrior do more damage than a Heavy ranger, but you forget of little thing: 12 marks barrage + max strength = 16% pen attack with a +12-14 to everyone close to your target and cost only 5. Favorable Wind can help for a heavy ranger to do some more damage mixed with a preparation (Read the wind for exemple) if they dont want to waste their energy. Traps, forget it, stance, Storm chaser and Bonetti are a good way to gain energy when struck.

Bow attacks, you must choose carefully. Some costs 10, 5 and one with 25 energy. Like I said upper, penetrating att cost energy 10 and Barrage is 5 energy.

By the way, If you want to hit really hard for one shot skill set, you need a monk smiting. The reason? .... You'll see (tested by myself with my friend while he's playing a smiting monk)

Strength= 10
Tactic = 10
Marksmanship =12

Skill
Read the wind
Favorable wind
Pen attack
Bonetti defense
(Rest is up to you)

Using an old purple max bow this time with 15% dmg while HP above

The Monk..... Judge insigh

Imagine the damage after that when I used Pen att while I still have FW and RTW huh. you guys have inspired me. off to the battle isles i go....heheh. gotta love those dummies of X AL.

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitefeather
Lol, Judges FTW,
I recently Posted in the J.I. Thread and got a convo going in there too...

Yeah...
So, general consensus is the builds a half decent Idea...

I mean, It'd be interesting to see how the PvP Noobs of CT treat a lady warrior with a bow...

"OMG GET THE UBER 1337 TANK, AND WE'LL WINZORZ!"

May I ask you this Francis....
Along with your smiting friend....

A necro with... ere say... *looks around* Weaken Armour...

Yes... Excellent...

Ha ha ha Lol dont give me any idea to create a 4 players one shot build with a Smiting Monk, a Cursed Necro, a Warrior/Ranger and, maybe, an Order Necro (with blood ritual if he can help the warrior to gain energy to shot more attacks skills)........ This can be deadly VS one person at a time

4 players one shot build
Look, already at 10 str. , you do 10% pen (DUH)
- 10%+ 25% (pen att)+20% holy (J.I.)= 55% pen att (can go up to 65% with sundering effect is you have one) and more dmg with pen. att.
- Take the fact to have 15% dmg from the bow and 20% if you customize it.
- Weaken armor (-20 armor) from the cursed necro and Order of the Vampire/Pain from the other.

I dont dont know the total dmg but this one can hit butt for unexpected players in PVP(looks like an Ranger Order spike btw)

The Lich Ranger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Home

Children Of Orion

Mo/Me

Yea,im going to try this with my ranger...what wouldbe the best weapon for this...now i have a Eternal bow

XvArchonvX

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lich Ranger
Yea,im going to try this with my ranger...what wouldbe the best weapon for this...now i have a Eternal bow Well, horn, shadow and ivory bows do have an innate 10% armor penetration...

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

use flourish for energy management...

Whitefeather

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

At our Finest Hour

R/E

Yeah, I was thinking about that.
That or Melandrus Resilience.

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Flourish has about two wys to use it (same for Melandru Resilence). It gains you energy for each recharge attack skills and instant recharge for them. Melandru, HP regen+3 ( since the update) and energy +1 for each hex and condition on you for an amount of time. Both are good.

VGJustice

VGJustice

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Tyria, cappin' ur bosses

Boston Guild [BG]

R/W

Francis... throw in a Ranger with the express duty of Crippling the battlefield. That should keep them offa you for a bit. So it'd be:

Mo with J.I.
N with Weaken Armor
W/R heavy ranger
and a R with Crippling Shot + Pin Down + Apply Poison

hee hee hee

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by VGJustice
Francis... throw in a Ranger with the express duty of Crippling the battlefield. That should keep them offa you for a bit. So it'd be:

Mo with J.I.
N with Weaken Armor
W/R heavy ranger
and a R with Crippling Shot + Pin Down + Apply Poison

hee hee hee Dont forget Hunter shot with that . Bleeding and poison are degen best friends when they're stacking.

So, we have, in short:

Monk with Judge Insight
Necro with Weaken Armor
W/R as Heavy Ranger
Ranger for Crippling and Conditions

-7HP degen from poison and bleeding
-20 armor from Weaken Armor
About +50% armor pen from Penetrating shot, Strength and Judge Insight

Lightning Elementalist with that? lol!

Whitefeather

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

At our Finest Hour

R/E

Or even mark of Rodgart and Flare...

Lol, constant -10 degen...

The Real Roy Keane

The Real Roy Keane

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Dublin, Ireland

Have any of you ever read the description for strength? I'm pretty sure it only affects melee attacks..so this thread is null and void.

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane
Have any of you ever read the description for strength? I'm pretty sure it only affects melee attacks..so this thread is null and void. Strength: When you use attack skills, each point of Strength gives you 1% armor penetration. Many skills, especially those related to surviving and inflicting damage, become more effective with higher Strength.



Any attacks skills.

legless_the_elf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

In a Distant Land Called Canada EH!

Blazing Dragons

Mo/Me

How bout using something like this for IWAY?
Or the w/r using a pet and IWAY cuz hes got 16 strength and is w/r anyway
Just a thought...

Whitefeather

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

At our Finest Hour

R/E

Yeah, I ran an IWAY Strength pet build in Yaks
Brought a lvl 5 moa and let it get chewed up
Then went to town with Bonettis, pen attack, Iway, and dual shot for adrenaline

Hundbert

Hundbert

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Dont forget Hunter shot with that . Bleeding and poison are degen best friends when they're stacking.

So, we have, in short:

Monk with Judge Insight
Necro with Weaken Armor
W/R as Heavy Ranger
Ranger for Crippling and Conditions

-7HP degen from poison and bleeding
-20 armor from Weaken Armor
About +50% armor pen from Penetrating shot, Strength and Judge Insight

Lightning Elementalist with that? lol! Why can't the curse necro also bring barbs? Barbs adds alot more damage than weaken armour i think. About +12 damage or so at max curses.
Barbs+Weaken armour is a really good combo for increased damage.