Treasure system taking a piss?

Went on two trips on a roll to the Underworld with the same group, one of the players got 4 etcos (or whatever its called) from the two trips, while I have been there over 50 times, a few times a day, I have only ever got 3.

I recieved 1 shity green item that worth 5k on the market out of the three times I have been today. While others, get two greens per person.

The time I got the green item was because two or three people left before fighting The Darkness, what the funk is going on with the treasure system?

Is there a systematic reason behind this?

The powers that be don't like you. Quit now before something terrible happens. j/k

Just the luck of the draw. I never get greens, always get ectos and get more superior vigor runes then all my guildies combined. Go figure.

I believe they are on some type of system because, every other time I went into SF a green dropped. Maybe it was just a coincidence. I don't really know for sure.

I always end up getting most of the greens from tomb runs..but never do I get ectos :-S (or gold runes...)

Before I stopped going down into SF, my green/# of trips ratio was 2/35. The 2 greens were flints fleshcleaver and Tanzit's Cleaver. Sold for like 30k total. Woopty-freaking-doo.

My chest drops always suck ass, and in my 9 months playing this game I have only ever got 2 ectos. Also, I managed to get a sup. absorb./ runeat one pont, but that was probably my most expensive drop ever.

I have gone to the new tombs twice, got Wenslauss's Faith, so maybe my green ratio will be better in the new area.

The drop system really does need some tweaking. If it is completely random, as the common theory states, than maybe they need to un-randomize it, and tweak it to allow for more even drop rates between party members.

Here we go with another rant and rave thread.


I looked up the word RANDOM in the dictionary to clarify things to people AGAIN..............

RANDOM- Having no specific pattern, purpose, or objective.

AT RANDOM- Without a governing design, method, or purpose; unsystematically.



The system is never going whacky , never out to get you, never different from one day to the next

The Gods look poorly upon those who complain and even more so on those who make threads with the purpose of getting others to complain with you.

My advice would be to bite the bullet and stop complaining before you anger the Gods even more and your drops get even worse!
Here is a simple fact "Life is not fair!!! But sometimes it's not fair in your favor" .. and do we ever here from any of you when that is the case???

Some things that people don't realize

• (as stated previously) Drops are random as to what you get
• NPC have "drops" but you don't see them (illusion that there less drops)
• The more you farm the same area, the less number of drops you get unless you move around the world

Agreed
Agreed
Agreed

Move around, clear many areas and try to limit the number of people on a team to improve your odds, have fun

I know its random but come on!!!!...

After three trips there today and getting nothing, i thought one last go maybe ah'll get elswyths longbow- Heres hoping

Imagine my surprise when the darkness dudes drop VICTO'S BLADE AXE AND BULWARK for my group mates.......While i get a yellow dye

Oh and the monk got elswyths longbow

i got 10 ectos only since the game has been released and i did billions of uderworld so it depends


sometimes u'll not get any gold item for a week or month but if u go with some1 the system loves him too much u'll get many gold items from single farming run.

if u got a green thats mean u r lucky because some of the UW farmers need to do it many times for a single green.

This may sound stupid but I wanted to bounce it anyways.

Do you guys think that drops are correlated to how you got your skills?
For example would the game reward a char that "earned" his skills more than say someone who "bought" them? Could it be written into the gaming code this way? Or do you guys know for a FACT that the game is random? Have you read it somewhere credible?

The reason I brought this up is there are many threads posted on this. I myself have posted a thread identical to this long ago. But the thing is I always read things like what Quick Monty said. People saying that they do better than players they know.

Don't flame just entertain the idea for a sec.

what do you guys think?

Athis

Gale has stated in a post (it's hard to find her posts) that drops are random.

Well, I know someone who knows someone who is roommates with someone who knows a developer at Arena. They told me that if you have ever paid for a run somewhere, gotten Drok's armor at anything lower than level 17, ever solo farmed for anything, gotten more than 50 deaths, or ever done any missions with just henchies, then you are put at the bottom of the list for green item drops. And also, if you enter the UW from a city of more than 10 people, you won't get ANY drops.





... and I have some ocean-front propety in North Dakota I am selling. It's only 100k and 35 ectos. Whisper me in game if interested.

Jeez people, Random is random is random! Hopefully people will get sick of it and stop trying to farm for green items and just enjoy playing the game. Having the best weapons and tons of gold is really unnecessary to enjoy the game. Maybe when Factions comes out and there are so many new places to play, it will help others find more green drops in the current places instead of the 55 monks hogging them all! Speaking of monks, I say NERF them. They are WAY TOO powerful in the healing department....

1. Of course.
2. Do they just decrease the NUMBER of drops you get, or also the QUALITY of the drops you get? For example, I have heard from some people that by bringing 1 henchman with you, you actually lower your odds of getting a "Rare" (gold or green) drop to 1/10 the odds of soloing.
3. Can you explain this? Does this mean that every once in a while I have to travel to a new city to discourage bots, or do I actually have to kill X monsters out of an area before the monsters in the area go back to a normal drop rate.

Random, meaning just that, not random per person per group per trip. Random globally, Heres an example I go months literally no exaggeration with nothing no ecto, shards, green drops nothing. Then in the last 2 weeks BAM, 4 ecto, 5 sup runes, 5 greens from tombs & a very very nice storm bow from a chest in tombs. So it will happen you will have dry spells or even runs. We have all been there & if you havent you will. I did a 3man trapper run other night in UW, 4 ecto drop none for me. The following night I did 5 4 man trapper runs I got nothing but 2 ecto dropped on first run, none on 2nd, 1 on 3rd & 4 on last. We lost favor so I went to tombs and did a barrage/pet tombs run. I got Victos Axe & Illayana Staff on same run.
So be patient your drops will come or come back whichever is the case.

like they say luck of the draw in my 3 month span of playing i have gotten 15 ecto 3 sup absorbs and a couple vigors no good golds really tho its just knowing how often 2 farm an area is all

I have been working at the same place for ten years and, I pass the same gas station on the way everyday (5 day work week) for 10 years. When I get gas at that gas station (2x a week) I throw $5 on the largest paying lottery, with RANDOM numbers. Never have I won. Yet some guy two states over from my home places one dollar one time and wins over 50 million dollars. To top that off he was already wealthy from his fathers estate.


DO YOU HERE ME SAYING THERE MUST BE SAYING SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THE LOTTERY SYSTEM??? NOPE!


yet I cotinue to farm the same gas station to this day. Hoping to get LUCKY for the lottery to RANDOMLY draw my number.
Wish I could close this thread. Oh well it will happen soon.....lol

These are just questions, lighten up people. The point of these questions are to gather information based on players experience. No one needs to hear about how you may think someone else thinks this is unfair. Thats their opinion, why can't we just leave it at that? Besides this type of post has been done to death, and still it keeps coming up. Maybe the drops are completly random like you say. I personally think they are, and only base that on time and experience. But you have to admit that amongst all the code that exists in games it makes people wonder.

By the way I hope you win the lottery!

I've done ToPK only 3 times with my monk and have gotten a total of 5 greens. Whenever we get to the bosses I always attack them, and do some heals of course. Also I try to use as much energy as possible, I'm not sure if it has any real affect on the drops. But I think the amount of healing and/or damage may be taken into account when the drops are distributed. Atleast thats my superstition anyway, maybe its right maybe it wrong, either way I usually get good drops so im happy .

I get the feeling that the spirit of this thread was never *really* to unsensibly bash the random nature of the program's mathematics...

no no no...

Rather, I get the feeling that the author (like I'm sure many of us have wished for in the past) is simply longing for *some kind* of Anti-BS system. For example, perhaps the game could give special consideration to you based on your drop successes in the past. It doesn't have to be a multiple-month span. Maybe 24 hours...maybe just THAT run.

For example, I had this idea: In FoW, if you get a shard drop, then the next time that a shard drops with your name on it, the game will re-roll who the shard goes to in accordance with the number of shard drops you already have. So if you already have one shard drop, and another shard drops with your name on it, the game re-rolls it. If it goes to you again, then you get it. Still, that kind of a system would drasticly reduce the amount of "that guy got 5 shards and I still have 0" kind of horsecrap that seems to abound everywhere I go.

Does that kind of suggestion have problems? In a word, yes. But it's wishful thinking.

-Jessyi

Its important to realize that you can nerf your favorite farming location for yourself rather quickly by ONLY doing the same thing Over and over and over again...

Example of this... New underworld. OK lets say you go down first time and pickup a few greens... Next time maybe some ectos but no greens...
Next time Little to nothing
Next time little to nothing
Next time maybe some ecto
next time little to nothing
next time maybe a green and 1 ecto
next time nothing...
and nothing and nothing..

Now...

That is fact eventually doing the same run will nerf your drops and hurts drops for entire party... I don't farm much but when I do, I never do the same run more then twice in a row. and I go with a fresh group... meaning not a group that has been doing it all day...

End result.

A green item almost every time I go to SF (not too often)

A green or ecto at least every time I go to tombs... (Again Not often, prob less then anything else really)

The important thing however is to not farm an area to death... Mix things up... DO a few missions play some PvP, Something... Then go back to farming in short mixed runs... Never same run more then two times in a row... (its actually setup better then that example, but for me twice is enough... I think its 5 times actually, before it gets nerfed for you)

What happens is lets say people farm SF... and drops fall off so they quit playing for the day. Without playing any other areas...

Then they come back the next day for more of the same. well the area they were in last time they logged in... Well.. gee its all nerf for you since you farmed it out... and joining a farming party now just reduces everyone chances of drops... And a party of many of these kinds well that just makes it worse...

For the best results, to this with some guildies and schedule out where you've been and figure your parties optimal farming location... Either that or go do something else for a while to reset your nerfed farm locations...

This system ensures that not TOO many of the rare items get distributed in the game... I mean if EVERYONE has one... is it really rare? Thinking of FDS for example... It was a rare in the beginning but truthfully its rather common that people have them.. and they drop pretty easy in fire islands. so in reality its not worth anything except to those that want them. Like the new people playing in ascalon area missions...

IDS is about the same. Everyone knows where to get them now, so there really is no reason to go buying one for inflated prices, when its a simple process to get one with a minimal or solo party...

Crystalline swds... still highly valued, and are actually RARES... For now...

Fell Blades... while cool looking, are again more common to find then not... So rare status should be revoked...

Same can be said for storm bows, and eternal or chaos weapons...

I still think the way to solve for Greens and such is to make it so that every character will be able to receive every green as a drop ONCE and only once... thus if its been found and you don't want it and go and sell it, well that was your chance at that item on that character... period...

But if its a item you want you will treasure it even more as you will know you will never see it drop for you again on that character...

or if u in a group ppl can just share the drops
like that will happen. however i have noticed a few small details in old UW if u do the ecto dance ur odds increase 50% on ecto drops, maybe do a little jig every now and then. like when i was farminng ettins. never got a sup abs.
then accidently killed one of the lynxs and BAM in a span of 15 mins got 3. do something randomly with ur characters. doesnt hurt

This is why this post should get closed soon. First you have people bashing something that is totally legit. Now we have people giving out FALSE INFORMATION (ecto dance,come on), you can't do anything to increase your drop rate other than not farming the same place over and over again. If you attack first it won't change anything, if you use good skills it won't change, if you check a chest last it won't change anything. I am not complaining about people bashing the system except the fact that when I first joined this forum I got bashed for giving false info. Thats all this thread can do is start false rumors when all you have to do is remember everything is random. There is no conspiracy theory.

Oh and thanks Athis, hope I do too......:-)

If you want to look for "conspiracies," hypothesize that Arenanet has mathematically incompetent programmers, who somehow haven't made things as random as they thought they did.

I think that's a silly theory, but it's a little less silly than most of the others.

Now, seriously, as anybody done any good analysis of how quickly things get nerfed and, more important, how much/what you have to do to unnerf them for yourself?

A friend of Mine went to Ruin of HoH 4 times and got 3 Bulwark!
I Went there 20 times, got one bulwark and for 10 times I got nothing.

Oh, yes, that's random!

/Agree

Now just gimme that bow!

If you both did 1000 runs, both of you would get an equal amount of bulwark's. A thread like this pops up every week, maybe even every day. YES, the drop system is random. NO, the drops are not biased. It's like flipping a coin. After 2 or 3 tries, maybe even after 20-30 tries you could have a lobsided number of heads versus tails. But after more and more time, the amount of tails would be closer and closer to the amount of heads.

Okay, I have furthered my experienced with the "ramdom" treasure syste drop.

Personally, from my experience, I find that there is a pattern in such "ramdomness", therefore, I disagree with the following message:

Beside, he sounded rather imature, lol.

Back to the subject. I have been to the UW, 7 times on a roll with no green drop.

And from some of the comments here, there is a player who usually get runes of health from his farming experience, and some players who I oftern hunt with, have been getting the victos blade but nothing else form the tomb, and many players who oftern get the Kole's Gauntlet so oftern that, they dont miind giving them away upon finding them, these are pattern, which in my view is not so ramdom.

the drop rate is always lower for people who call Tombs 'The Underworld'

hi guy i have been playing this game for 4 months now. farming in north kryta and s/f. Looking for green sword superior vigor and superior absorbsion. i havent had any green dops yet and have in total only foung 5 gold runes. what am i doing wrong?

Well my luck is pretty consistent, in FOW I’m always lucky enough to pick up more dust than any other player in the team

Random is as random does (Forrest Gump)

If you toss a coin 20 times and 20 times it comes up heads, what are the odds that it will come up heads the next toss?

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Ok, seriously, can someone confirm that farming an area over and over again causes less drops (and I mean logging in and out, not just rezoning)? Also if that can be confirmed, does that penality ever go away even if you continue to farm the same area again or does it get worse and worse? I know everyone is saying just go somewhere else and play a little and come back to farming, but for long do you need to be away from your favorite farm zone? Is it time based, monsters killed based, experience points accumulated based, etc?

I know everyone says this, but is there proof (Anet statement, Gaile reference, etc...) Just curious because if that's the truth than the drops are not random because it is based upon how many times you've been there....

I did see that Gaile mentioned, when SF came out, than rezoning in and out of furnace would decrease the drop rate but he did not specify that farming an area would do that, only rezoning and that rezoning affected the entire team not a single person....

That's a very inaccurate comparison. A more accurate analogy is playing the scratch-off cards. Sometimes, you get $5, sometimes, you get $1, sometimes you get $1,000,000, and sometimes you get bup-kiss. Even that can't quite compare to the system in GW, given the economy, the stats on weapons, yada yada, but it's as close as that kind of example is going to get.

You could statistically analyze this system, if you had enough people reporting ACCURATE statistics on their drops, and controlled variables like environments and professions, all that garbage.

I personally believe that the drop system incorporates chance, but I refuse to accept that it's 100% random, because it's a load given the circumstances. There's just no way drawing random integers (the way the lottery works) could yield such a skewed system with complex conditionals and outcomes (the way the drop system works).

I have no idea how it works though. That's the idea. If ANet told us, we'd circumvent it easily. If you REALLY crave to know, start doing analysis, testing variables like different accounts, different professions, different weapon/skill setups, different characters (the random-roll theory), and anything else you can think of. Unless you're planning on doing that, you should can it and go play (if this obsessive farming can be justified as so) the game.

Wow you play this game almost everyday since the day it comes out and you try to leave some insight to other players that think the game is out to get them. What do you get? People quoting you and coming up with moronic ideas why their drops suck and others don't.

Seriously people even if there was a system that gave one person better drops than the other, someone would eventually figure it out( there was over a million copies of GW sold last year you know), and a-net would change it or nerf drops in all. Its the facts of life, some people get a better life than others. Just play the game and enjoy it. You are not going to get better drops if you carry a lucky rabbits foot or any other luck charm. One day you will get your share of ectos and another day someone else will get their share.

Come on admin. this crying has gone on long enough. Please close this thread. Threads that go on and on with no factual information in them is probably why it takes ten minutes to open a page when we are on this forum.