Skills - "I Will Avenge You!"

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pets count as dead allies?

pets count as dead allies?

where can i get this skill?

i got it! its in the ascalon settlement north of bergen hot springs. talk to Captain Greywind

yes, pets do count as dead allies.

Its sad now that everyone is trying to run an IWAY W/R build. Atleast be somewhat creative, don't exactly copy builds you find on forums. Its not a new fotm, but it is contesting with smite to become one.

Necro bomb + EoE > I will avenge my pet !

umm...then why bother to post a build if ya don't expect someone to clone it and try for themselves? :P, out of the thousands of combos you can put together for a build, and out of that only so many really good ones you expect people not to copy? How do you expect people to "be creative" if they don't first try out something someone has posted before actually getting creative? Hell some people didn't even know what the term "build" ment untill they saw it on a forum and made a "build" clone or their own.

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Well i think you gave a bad example, but i will use it also, someone had to write that book full of math for you to even get that far :P, so i guess the teacher telling you how to solve a problem one or 2 ways is also considered cheating? Please...Insert_Teachers_Name_Here...who learned it from someone else ...who learned it from someone else..and so on and so forth from the begining of time...

Hey Insert_Guildmate's_Name_Here....can you tell me....or can you help with...

No figure it out yourself...

Geee this guild sucks...

Why even bother then...oh i know why ...GUILDWARS IS A MULTIPLAYER GAME..which by the way with the newest updates anet wants ppl to group together to get a lot of the new stuff done...they have nerf'd several varations of the solo builds...etc, etc...

Everything is easier and more productive when ppl work together , share information, and etc etc...

Hey Mr. 3 year old newborn...no im not gonna teach you how to talk figure it out on your own...learn to walk yourself...or crawl the rest of your life...blab blab.....Hell

Etc, etc, etc, get the point? If ya don't want someone to know something then don't tell them but don't talk crap cause someone else felt the need to let ppl in on a little info,or wanted to share something cool they found or figured out, it's a part of life, some will tell some wont.

Just because 2 people drive the same kinda car doesn't mean they drive it the same way

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ppl can keep playing IWAY builds, and ill keep getting the free faction+fame

lol, this remind me of... "I going to sue you for eating with forks" that kind of jokes.

anyway... a little more on the topic since I posted here...

"I Will Avenge You!"
Note:
- it does not increase the number of pip for hp regen having extra corpse around, it only increase the length of duration.
- before you go start thinking if this attack speed increase stack with stance... the answer are most likely yes and no. There are max buff and debuff limit on almost everything in this game (now that remind me... someone want to test if there is max armor buff?). Take running speed buff as example, your running speed does not go over 33% unless one single skill allow you to do so. If you stack a running enchantment and a running stance, your max speed would be 33% faster than normal... however, if a speed debuff drop your speed to 50%... then the buff will then stack until it reach to 33% faster than normal. That's the basic idea...

Now that I think about it... Guru should find someone to write a max buff and debuff limit on a single FAQ/chart/etc and post it... that would certainly be helpful if someone want to do it.

attack speed will stack if you ahve frenzy or berserker stance used with IWAY and Im not sure but I know I was attacking faster with IWAY + Berserker

also Im not sure about the regain the regain goesup to 10 at max so whats the point in keeping it at 6 when it says for every dead ally

This should be an elite skill.

This skill works just with a dead allies around or if I use it (with no dead allies) I will "gain 10 seconds of increased attack speed and health regeneration of 3" ?

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Nuts... They need to add the "nearby" to the in game description for this.

I thought I had a great super cheesy soloing build for my W/N with this.
bring 5 henchmen into an area, get them killed by drawing a bunch of monsters. once they are dead turn on I Will Avenge You and it will last longer than the recharge. when you get in a fight cast Order of the Vampire and then Flurry right before it casts. I could run that two times before I got low on energy and then switch to Bonetti's Defense to build my energy back up.

IWAY would help balance out the the sacrifice for OV and combine with Flurry to give even faster attacks (it seemed to anyway), both dealing more damage and giving you more life through OV.

Unfortunatly IWAY stops working when you get too far away from your dead allies.

It used to be that "nearby" was in the skill description. They changed it during the PvP Extreme weekend.

it end if you go to far away from your allies.. aint that well

Its got to be the best skill in the game.. I love it

Skills are for the most part balanced.. elite skills are not so balanced (or at least they should be).. that’s why they are elite.

In order to determine something’s balance you compare the effects it gives you and its costs to that of similar skills, which give similar effects and compare their costs also.

so compare some of IWAY's effects.. Assume you have paid any cost to activate the skill this is so you can focus on comparing the effects...

33% attack rate for 10 seconds at least.

Frenzy and flurry both increase your attack speed, but both at considerable costs, take double damage, or deal less damage... this is a big cost really.. anything which effects the damage you deal and the damage you take is an important balance.

now, Because IWAY goes on for at least 10 seconds its double the time! which translates to half the cost. (Flurry and frenzy have similar energy costs)

now, that alone is one reason why the 33% faster damage should make it elite.

The other reason is the next effect: ONTOP of that increased attack speed it also gives you health regeneration of 6+(assume attribute is 12) this is a huge boost of health which is likeable to having 'I will survive' in effect with at least 2 conditions on.

then you calculate in the new AoE it has (Amazing decision, I could kiss the guy who suggested this)

so all these abilities.. abilities of at least two other skills (frenzy and I will survive to name but a few these are likeable to) comes at just 5 energy and one dead 'ally'..

you may think that one dead ally is quite a big cost!.. and it is.. but we all know one of the secrets to winning PVP is for nearly everyone to hold a res signet, dying is a common occurrence in the stretch of any battle, short or long.. its what PVP is all about!

Its other cost is that of recharge, 30 seconds.. which is just 3 dead allys and your set to go again... making a huge difference in 4v4 if your the last man standing, huge in 8v8 because more chance of dead allys boosting these effects sky high with the use of pets... then couple it with frenzy, yes the 33% attack speed stacks because IWAY is not a stance!

These skills that have such low cost and such great potential defiantly should award it Elite status.... and I'll bet you my last snowball it will be an elite in the new 'Skill Balances' announced on today’s (my god is it that time) Official Guildwars site.

um, having people dead is a huge condition, well of profane and suffering need a body and do very well and they are not elite are they? The people must be dead at the activation of Iway, anything else doesnt matter.

That would be a significant reply, if well of profane did both damage and regen...but it doesn't? But to use your example as a point... The well that does two things, energy regen, and health regen...is an elite.

First, well of profane is a skill from a different profession! so cant really be compared when determining if a skill from the warrior profession is elite or not.

Second, An elite skill is NOT, as I highlighted, about skills which produce more than one effect!.. its about comparing the COST to the effect(s) against the COST and the effects of similar skills within that proffesion.

So well of profane is a very bad example to compare because its effects and cost are so radically different...

Well of Profane says 'exploit nearest corpse'... not dead ally!.. huge difference.

COSTS.... 25 energy!... how many warriors have 25 energy?.. well I do because I use chimeric prism, but to completley deplete my energy is a HUGE cost.. even for a necro 25 energy is a massiv amount... hell 25 energy for ANYONE is often too much.. this is well documented.

Then you have a 3 second casting time.. making it very easy to interrupt.. IWAY Activates instantly. anything that takes more than a second to anyone means they have to carefully consider... during battle... when to use it. again, this is a cost, a high one, an un-acceptable one for a warrior.

Well of Profane will go on for a MAXIMUM of 18 seconds... IWAY has a maximum of what?... 7 dead allys and 8 dead pets, potentially?.. so can go up to 150 seconds, 8x longer!!, I know thats not lightly to happen, but this isnt the point.. the point is your comparing what they are capable of...

Then compare the effects that both skills give... well, Profane doesnt have any effects which are identical to IWAY at all.... so even if you can compare the costs of IWAY and profane, you cant compare their effects at all.

this one count friendly dead minions? (I'm guessing not)

You say that it's all about "comparing the COST to the effect(s) against the COST and the effects of similar skills within that proffesion."

The way i'm seein it is that you're comparing a shout under strength (IWAY) to a stance(berzerker) and to one that has no attribute at all(Frenzy)(Flurry)... so you can't really say that you're comparing "like" skills when they have completely diff. attributes all together

honestly it's useless arguing over something as trivial as this, it's merely someone being smart and exploiting something that anet has over looked or hasn't thoroughly torn apart to consider all of the aspects it could be used in. honestly, this type of stuff is what online gaming is all about... trying to exploit diff. things and using them to your advantage. if anyone here has ever played utopia you know what i'm talkin about :-)

Just wanted to say you can get this skill at the Ascalon Settlement.

lol after all this time noone got around to posting on probally the most famous warrior skill in the game

its a nice panic button when your allies fall around you

iway has such a bad name in tombs...

But really, it's an amazing skill. Back in the spring last year I was in Kryta and my whole team got completely wrecked, and I solod 14 undead with IWAY and then res'd my team. It was sweet.

***note: I do not IWAY in tombs lol***