Why do people think Wars are noobs?!

Thank you

[QUOTE=Thom]Quick double post:
15k Plate armor shouts "I'm a PvEer". It isn't very good armor. You can get a set of pvp ready armor for less than one piece of 15k. You want the anti hex helm (with you if not on you), glad everything, knights boots, stoneskin gloves. That is the pvp standard...gives you the most strategic benefits. I also don't know if you have all the proper runes since it is more likely for a pvp character to have all the necessary sups (3 in the case of a warrior). Ditto which the proper weapon, rare does not mean useful.

I do have the anti-hex helm and the others i can easily get but if im just looking for a quick match as i was b4 when the mesmer left quickly i didnt really feel the need for using this as i was in random arena.
Thank you though for advice

and i already have all the runes

Most Warrior's just don't listen plain and simple. I was doing Abaddons Mouth on my Ranger and at the very begining there is a seal with Mursaat behind it. We make sure to let our two Warriors know that as soon as the seal breaks, GET BACK. As you can imagine, we lost about 3 minutes into the mission, because the Warriors didn't use their brains.

1 Mursaat Group = Okay
2 Mursaat Group and Jades = Bad

For some reason I believe that Warriors have natural agro and just have to attack EVERYTHING they see.

i've had the same aggro problems with warriors too, until i met this r/mo who was even worse. he ended up aggroing the ENTIRE stone summit mob on the way to borlis pass because he thought the party was going too slow. after he dies (and logs off), the mob promptly turned around and killed the warrior (we were out of position as we sit there and gap at the r/mo's stupidity), and i had already used my rez signet once before on the ranger.

in other words: impatient players (regarding class combo) are newbies (that's right people, it's NEWBIES, not NOOBS).

Yes, they do and those r the ones that give the rest of us wars a bad name

This is something that always bothers me,especially on the forums. I see so many people make comments about people and their "cookie-cutter" ways, most often in regards to builds. but what is the difference here?

I don't see any difference here, giving a list of "what to wears" than running into PVP with a build you rip off the net. I see this too often and honestly, I don't see why people make an assumption that others can't play well with something different than what they do.

For example, 98% of high-level PVE rangers play with some basis of Druids armor. Sure the energy bonus is great, and personally, I would love to see energy bonuses on other types of armor than Druids. I choose NOT to use it, and suffer 7 less energy than someone who does. But I utilize my range and skill to counter that loss...for instance employing zealous weapons, or immediately evening a PVP playing field by using debilitating shot on my opponent.

I don't assume that because someone chooses to use weapons, armor, skills, whatever, outside of the box, they are inferior. I let their playing answer to any initial doubts I may have. Personally, I would be pleased to see some new blood infused into both the PVE and PVP communities. I wouldn't know what to do if I saw a PVP monk that didn't spam Guardian and Reversal of Fortune. Same old same old gets boring.

Just got done with the Bloodtsone Fen mission.

A guildie and I have spent the good majority of today clearing every mission, starting from Ruins of Surmia. We did it alone (just the two of us), occasionally picking up a henchie when we deemed it wise.

We figured, "Hey, let's make a human party this time and have some fun." It's all going well until the Randoms start begging for a Tank. We pick one up, and enter the mission.

Damn idiot gets killed every five minutes. Then he has the nerve to call us "tards" because we make a wrong turn. He's dead at this point, and we all pretty much tell him to leave if he's so unhappy. But no, he gets smartmouthed and "I'm so badass". Talks big about how we can't do it without him.

Yeah, he died. Again, and again, and again.

And as it turns out? We would have completed the mission in half the time without him.

Warriors as a group get labeled as "noobs" because of people like that guy. I personally have a Warrior/Monk that I have decided to keep in Pre-searing for a while, simply because I do occasionally like to tank my way into a few Charr. If anyone calls me a noob, I brush it off and keep on walking. Not worth my time to try and explain things.

My little theory..

There are alot of bad players - everyone experiences it with pickup groups. But since its a wars job (most of the time) to pull and call - they are more likely to be noticed for screwing up. Consider that and the fact that war is the most played characeter then warriors are more likely to get noticed as and called noobs.

15k means you have some pve experience in farming money, and the turns irrelevent the moment you step foot into a pvp arena
it has no indication of how good you are in pvp but actually the opposite as now you will be stereotyped by the flood of pve players who come into pvp as if its a beauty contest instead of making a good build
even if you had fullout fow armor and a fellblade no pro pvper is thinking, "Wow this guy must be awesome"

The really funny warriors are the ones that charge head first in a mission, get killed, then quit immediately.

You can usually tell an experienced warrior from a rookie by how they initiate combat. If they do proper agro-bubble management and pull with a longbow, then you probably have a seasoned vet. If that person thinks he's Conan the Invincible and just charges in, then you know it'll be a long walk back...

i completely agree. noob is supposed to mean someone new to the game. also the sad truth is, there really are a bunhc of ten year olds running around in this game. Anyway i love my warrior and i say that all the proffessions can be "noobish"

Warriors are generally the only class that don't necessarily learn the big teamwork lesson. Obviously, there are tons of good warriors out there. But the ones that started with the "I can solo anything" attitude never seem to lose it.

Scenario: your group of six or eight people enter an instance. One player is taking a while to come online. Who is it that rushes ahead, and tells everyone that the other player can catch up?

I swear, I must not have the full version of GW, because even when I play my warrior, I still don't hear the starter gun that these guys seem to hear at the beginning of every instance. I need to upgrade...

Now, every player in that party could suck in their own pretty substantial way. But in the heat of battle, alot of that stuff goes by unnoticed*. What everyone remembers at the end of the mission is how those warriors took off for dear life the moment they zoned in. That's probably why most players give warriors dirty looks.

*The monk of course, notices that the fire ele is tanking, but that's another thread.

Incorrect. A "newb" is a new player. A "noob" is any or all of the following: idiot, scammer, jerk, moron, braggart, or anything else along those same lines...

The terms have somehow become tangled... Just thought I would point this out.

Yes, we are all "newbs" at one point in time. Today is only Day 25 of Guild Wars for me, so technically I am still a newbie, though I have caught on much quicker than most I have yet seen and/or heard of (hardcore PvE players are good at catching on quick).

As I have said before, Warrior isn't a noob or newb profession choice, even though some noobs and newbs may choose it.

It has become fissure if you have no rank and 15k if you're R6+ and using a pve.

And still, no rank and fissure usually means ebayer anyway.

Certain builds are cookie cutter for a reason. People pull this stuff from top guilds and players that have optimized what they do and win as a result. People keep running IWAY because it remains reasonably successful. Every ranger wears druids because most every rangers needs energy more than they need 10 more armor. Top teams run "boring" cookie cutter stuff, not because they are stupid but because the build is actually best at what it tries to accomplish.

I run a ton of creative builds in random arenas with mixed success. If someone is trying out something new, I'll run a unique build they give me as best I can. That said, if I am building a pug team or finding an 8th or a guild group, I would rather have a cookie cutter build for the following reasons:

1)Player has some vague familiarity with the meta-game. If someone knows to run a gale warrior with the "right" skills, maybe they will also know how it works.
2)I know what to expect from a cookie cutter and I can give specific directions.
3)75% of experimenting is just bad. I know, I've done it. In testing, I drew up some of the most off the wall builds. Some resulted in nerfs, most resulted in us losing. Cookie cutters are proven.
4)Following a winning trend means you are more likely to take advise and follow directions in game. If I'm running a team, I don't need people with independent and creative strategies to emerge once inside. If you feel that Wamo with plate is a winning PvP build, you may also think that hitting a monk when a mez was called is a good strategy.

If you think you can come up with something better than a standard booner or gale warrior, I'd love for you to make that case. Sometimes I put together a build simply because it bucks a trend and takes advangtage of peoples assumptions. Most of the time, one needs players to fill standard defined rolls which have been well established in the meta-game. Most personalized improvements come with a single skill or a unique weapon, not something totally unrecognizable.

My armor list was pretty standard for a gale or hammer warrior. I can't think of a situation where you'd want to go to plate armor in PvP. It makes no sense to choose an inferior armor, no matter how good your skills are. Any most any build you think up without druids or Glads would be better simply by adding those armor types. If you are on a mission to be different, get weird dyes...don't go out of the way to nerf yourself.

I know how you feel. My primary char is a necro/monk. I don't use monk for anything other then rebirth other then that my skill bar is all curses and ss/ Yet when I try to join pugs I am told I am a "noob" because I am not a necro/mes "you can't be a good ss necro unless you can echo it." It bothers me sometimes but yet I know I do a good job with my character and when the group gets in trouble I have rebirth to help...can't say how many times I have helped save a team like this. I know I do good becuase I have several monk friends asking me to go with them to do uw as ss/55 team. Just sucks that I can't get in pugs becuase I am not a "true" ss necro.

I know you said usually but thats not always the case. Like me I am farming and working hard to get my fissure piece by piece slowly but surely...however I do not like to pvp so I will have fissure and no rank..but I an not an ebayer...just sucks I am going to be put in this class by default because I hate pvp.

For PVP I REPEAT I DO NOT use a w/mo i use a W/R almost all the time only use w/mo for pve sometimes

My primary warrior is a W/R and she doesn't use melee weapons at all.

I just use the warrior's armor and its speed skills.

Its just mindless stereo-types. Like:

All a-rabs have bombs strapped to em.

All black people LOVE fried chicken.

Chinese restraunts never take out garbage.

Its just stereotypes . . . GET OVER IT!

Thats why they created this thread.

I don't disagree here. I never said a wammo with plate was a winning build. My point was this... So often on the forums people are very quick to jump on the bandwagon and start throwing the "n" word simply because someone chooses to step outside the realm of the accepted. Some people choose to fill all 4 character slots of an account with PvE characters in order to get a fuller experience, as you can use PvE for PvP but not vice versa. And because someone chooses to do so, in my opinion, regardless of whether it may not be the best choice of armor, why label them a "noob" for it? Not everyone is die-hard into PvP, some just do it from time to time. In my opinion, that doesn't make them a noob, that makes them curious and on the lookout for a new challenge.


I wasn't looking to make a point in case that I am the Alpha and Omega when it comes to creative builds. My only objective in that post was to point out that there's your way and the way of others. That doesn't make it inferior, just different than what you would choose.

A perfect example of this coming from a Ranger:

I was in a group doing Ruins of Surmia today, and a guildie in LA starts talking to me. We begin to have a whole conversation about pricing and when the next guild raffle is gonna take place. So without even thinking about it I turn off teamchat and just start following the team. I'm not targeting anything really. Just pressing control and clicking on the leaders name. Well fast forward to 20 minutes later. We are at the end and someone is dead and another person is yelling noob. My initial thought is "Oh crap they are yelling at me!" Nope, they are yelling at the W/Mo. No one even noticed the Ranger that was walking into walls and hadn't shot an arrow since the bonus.

Its odd, usually the worst players I see aren't warriors. They are usually that ranger who stands too close to the patroll, the monk spamming healing breaze with a 15+ energy -1 regen wand, ect.

Of course, then there those warriors who use Orison of Healing

Also, you don't know how many warriors I see on an average basis wearing a full set of Knights armor.

newb(ie)s = people new to the game. Many of them choose Wa/Mo, because it seems logical. Those are just starting to learn the game and stop aggroing everything after reaching Yak's Bend.

noobs/n00bs/nubs = ignorant people, who don't want to learn and therefore choose easy cookie cutter builds. Unfortunately that's a mending Wa/Mo, but i meet the much worse firestorm Wa/El sometimes (in Hell's Precipice..). You recognise a noob since they are the only people calling others 'noob' (and ignore/quit).

Translation: Don't blame me for being a subpar PvPer because I don't have the proper equipment to play competitively. The fact that I don't have the best stuff which is readily available to any PvP character shouldn't reflect poorly on my abilty. People call me names because I'm different.

Rebuttal: Inferior builds really are inferior builds no matter who is playing them. I'm not talking about your self worth here; I'm talking about your abilty to complete a task efficiently. If you come onto PvPer's turf, you play by their rules if you want to succeed. There is less tolerence for freedom of expression when your opponents will likely be maximizing their chances to win. If you don't care about winning you won't have much fun in any of the 8v8 areas. Most people that PvP regularly or competitively understand this and "noob" just happens to be the label of choice for those that don't. If people are stepping outside of the realm of the accepted, they shouldn't complain when they aren't accepted.

Why this is on topic? Warriors happen to have a reputation for being "non-optimizing" or "inferior" players. PvEers especially don't tend to appreciate the gap between PvP and PvE. Warriors play very different roles in the two game types.

You just lost any credibility you had, Thom. :/

People play IWAY becuase they are too dumb to think up good builds, or becuase they don't want to both assembling one, and becuase most groups out there are rank 6+.

IWAY = 12 fame for 6 hours. The average Rank 3+ IWAY doesn't get past the third map, and probably disbands just as fast now as an Invite the Whole District build.

On topic with what you're talking about: No, I don't think you're right here. I think if someone wants to be a E/W sword-fire, go right ahead. PvE isn't hard at all, especially with 8 players; you don't need to HULK SMASH.

I've even seen people play the Paladin Pre-made well, and that build is terrible. So, no, I don't think that people can't be good with mediocre builds.

I disagree... Rank means barely anything.

My unranked team made it all the way to HoH and for most it was our first times. Mind you I no longer IWAY because I dont feel that it is a fair way to play.

Nobody said anything about rank meaning anything. I said that you're average IWAY (rank 3+) can't get past the third map. Mind you, "getting" to the HoH doesn't mean a thing. You can get to the halls in 1 match.

People play Iway for quick fame, not to win HoH. Atleast smart people don't play Iway to win HoH (unless your actually good).

Your wrong saying they are dumb, Iway does take SOME skill to even make it to the 3rd map. High rank Iway (and sometimes lower, since Iway rank doesn't mean quite as much) can use actual skill to win.

I play Iway because I'm on at odd hours alot and my guild isn't on 24/7.

And last of all, Paladins are NOT terrible. ANY AND ALL BUILDS ARE GOOD IF YOU PLAY THEM RIGHT. There are other factors that could make it not very good, like compatability with your party members, but overall ANY build can be good.

Two words: Prebuilt Paladin.

I'm sick of it, 90% of comps warriors use exactly that.

I was in RA the other day running an experiment as a warrior, we lose, and someone on the other team says "thanks noob wa/mos for free faction", a) it was an even drawn-out game for the most part, and b) I wasn't even a w/mo. Just goes to show what idiots these people are

Yeah im getting sick of everyone bashing wammos... ive had mine since I started and its my moast reliable character... There is alot of wammo bashing that goes on in pvp too... I went into a random battle once and a ranger spent a good 5 mins calling a stupid wammo noob... So I killed him! even after I killed him he kept calling me a noob... "Yeah.... says the dead guy..." >.>

Because they are.

Example. Warrior/monk paladin loses in random arenas to a group of w/e and thinks 'i know i'll try that uber build and pwn everything!'

Warrior enters create pvp char screen and sees the skills shock and gale that the pvp warriors were using. 'hang on' he thinks, 'shock does barely any damage, and gale does none!' 'wow those warriors were noobs!'

'hmm, lets see lightning orb, ooh that looks nice. Wow armor penetration. Cool a spell thats like my sword! Actually how about meteor shower. Yikes! look at the damage on that!'

Warrior equips meteor shower, inferno and flare and enters random arenas*.





What i'm trying to point out is that the average warrior in guild wars is a complete moron


*normally sacrificing points from swordsmanship to feed the meteor shower's fire magic, at the expense of swordsmanship (because only noobs use axes)

any character can be a noob...all about the person pulling the strings

It's because speaking from strictly PvE, since most of us can care less about PvP. When I'm in groups, playing whatever character, I see the Warriors always rushing ahead, can't wait, can't sit still for a minute. Always have to be attacking something. If we are killing something that requires range, the warriors can't stand by and watch, they have to go out of their way to get up there to fight. Or run ahead and aggro a mob and let 5 past them while they concentrate on the one they targetted. Nevermind the Monk and casters are fending off the rest. Not to mention most Warriors have no clue of energy management, so it must not cross their mind to wait and let Casters recharge energy. I do play a Warrior and have for a long time, was like my 3rd character I played. And I know enough to go slow, stay with the group. Protect the casters and monk. Back away if I'm dying and the Monks are busy and can't heal me all the time. Bring a spell or 2 that does heal myself just in case. Warriors do not take a lot of brains to play in the PvE part of the game most of the time, until the upper levels. So as it has been said before, it's the first one people are likely to pick to start out the game with.

I'm a Warrior myself and when I'm playing my other characters, I am tired of having to save the Warrior's ass, whether as a Monk healing or my other characters helping the rest of the party, taking on the rest of the mob while they are working on their one.

<stepping off soap box, lol>

Well said, mysterious..Bravo!

I'm a W/Mo (not a Whammo)

Personally, I do what few people can stand to do. I wear a combo of Armors, 2 pieces of dragon, my helm and 2 pieces of gladiator. It doesn't look to bad, and I get some benefits from both worlds. I dispise being called a noob, because I'm not, and I have enough experience to know that. PvP savvy, to the degree of some people, not so much, but I still do fine when I get a change to prove it.

I would make the probably displeasing statement that a Warrior of ANY type is the 2nd hardest class to play, and by play I mean not being stupid with it.

Why? Because you specifically don't get the advantage of sitting in the back and observing the battle. Generally, all you have to guide your decisions are those 4/8 little health bars, and your general idea of where EVERYONE is. That means in PvP every person, their class, their lethality, their detriments, etc. But you have to do it without a really good veiw (unless you have a lucky reverse camera angle). In PvE it's only that much harder because you usually have 2-3x the enemies to focus on.

I have had the benefit of having a short enough attention span to grasp these things, and also have played other classes, or against other classes enough to note various visual signals of skills to wait for or avoid.

Yes, a lot of W screw up, but that's because they suffer from the following:
A.) Very little opportunity to work with a group because of the idiotic stigma, so they don't learn how to interact properly.

B.) Have trouble focusing on everything a W needs to focus on.

This is of course excluding the "Charge + Death" Warriors.

If this sounds like a load of bull, to bad, tough cookies, it's true. I would approximate (guess) that 30-40% of the "noob" W are that way because no one bothers to teach them to be better, they just tell them they're stupid noobs and throw them out.

Also, I see a LOT of monks who SAY "Go ahead and rush in I will heal you," but they usually do it before others join the group or in whisper, so when they fail to keep you alive, it looks like you were just one more dumb warrior. I have had this happen on repeat occasions, when I was lower level and less experienced. I learned however that Monks are the least reliable of ALL players.

Lastly, if a monk is having trouble keeping a W of any type, especially a W/Mo alive in the middle of 3-4 mobs with no one else getting attacked, you need to practice more, the same goes for 1-2 human enemies that aren't shutting you down.


I am a W/Mo, I'm proud of it, the "noob" flingers can all go eat it.

I have a lot of friends who play Warrior and who play it well. But my experiences show that when forming a party with unknown human players, it is the Warrior character that is the most likely to "not fit in" with the rest of the group. What I mean by "not fit in" is by not playing like a team and instead doing his/her own thing. This includes rushing, not waiting for regen of energy and HP, running when the rest of the team does not want to run, and continuing to battle the front line enemies without falling back to either 1) avoid aggroing other wandering mobs or 2) to protect the more squishy members of the group being attacked by enemy that ran around the Warrior.

Why is this? It could be because of the type of player that would rather play a hack/slash warrior rather than another character. It could be because a Warrior that is not dependent on energy has no concept of what it is like to enter a battle without having time to recharge. A definite problem with a lot of Warriors is simply that they start to fight a foe or three, and give no regard to how the battlefield is going around them. A good warrior will fall back to protect the rest of the party. A good warrior will play tactically and change his/her position on the battlefield according to how things play out.

At any rate, an unknown human warrior is the character that I am most likely not to trust as being a good addition to my party. But I am very happy for the Warriors on my friend's list, because they have learned to play well.

By the way, I make it a rule never to join a party with more than two Warriors. Again from my experiences, 3 W are too many; the skills of the other character classes are badly needed as well, and 1 or 2 W are enough for tanking. In fact, good Ranger pets or Necro Minions do just as well.

All of this is mainly due to that Warriors have the most "difference" from the other classes. They need to approach the target to attack, they have high dmg, good offence and good defences ( with comes with a price ), and energy is almost gibberish to them since they rely on AD so they rush in, think the Monks have ulimited energy to keep team healed, and when they die...ZOMFAG NOOB MONKZORS!!1111!!!11!1!!!!!1111!!one!!!!111!!!11

Any fool (Warriors) can run into a group without second thought then blame the monks...and most do.

*cough*

Anyways, after 5 months of GW, the only thing that I have discovered on my own is that NEVER creat a Warrior as your first char if your a newbie.

...what the hell we gonna do when the Assassins start to pile up when Faction is released...

I’ve played a monk for most of my time on GW and God what a difference a good warrior, (or pair), makes to my life.

I have, on the odd occasion, adapted my build at the warrior’s request, this I’m usually more than happy to do as this at least suggest that he/she has put some thought into how they/the team are going to approach different areas.

Sadly though is rare but I myself have never called anyone in game a noob, (and thankfully, so far, have never been called one myself).

I personally would not criticise anyone’s build before seeing how good they actually are. I’m sure if I posted my monk build on here I would receive plenty of disparaging comments about it, but it works well for me and the teams that I join.

I just don’t think you can generalise about this, I’ve seen good/bad in all the professions and am willing to give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.