Monks for Hire

I've been playing for a while now and ive experienced what im sure we've all experienced, which is a lack of monks in the end game missions.

I've also seen monks advertising their services for gold/items/etc.

I've never hired any of these monks but I would like to know what other people's opinions and experiences of such individuals. How would you compare them to runners or mission runners? power levelers? etc.

I just want to know what this community's stance is on such behaviors.

Unacceptable. Taking advantage of there not being enough around to earn themself money etc. by making themselves available. They could even lie, saying they'll help for a bit of money from everyone, and that they don't need this mission. And they actually do need it, and they get money and stuff all the same. The kind of people that actually do that must be complete jerks that think they can get away with there not being enough the same as them around, to gain for themselves.

It's a service like any other. If you don't like the service they provide, don't pay them or invite them into your group. They're meeting a demand that the market obviously does NOT meet. If there were plenty of monks in the game, no one would be able to charge for helping complete missions.

You're complaining about someone trading THEIR TIME for money providing a service that NO ONE ELSE is providing, for pay or otherwise. People obviously DO think it's a useful service; if no one took them up on their offer, they would be out of business. If you have that much of a beef with it, bring a monk up through the game help people through missions for free.

As much as this is a service to be charged, I feel that it's unbased on
anything but the lack of knowledge by a lot of players. I see no point in
paying someone to join the group when there is at least 1 monk free for
every mission, those being the henchies of course.
And besides, too many PUG monks are beyond horrible,
and now charging money for it..
I'd pass.

i play a monk and i finished the game, but i still offer my help for later missions, like thunderhead keep. I do this for free of course, and i think that monks that are charging for that gives us a bad name, because after, most people say all monks think they re so useful that they can charge people for their services...

edit: hench monks work very well, so, no need of human players like those mentioned before.

I've seen Monks advertising for Pay Heals, and it saddens me to no end. It's like they're saying "Pay me to help me beat this mission". No. Pick up your drops like the rest of us and quit mooching.

I really want my Healer to get to that point so I can help out more

Monks charging to heal is unacceptable. It's a pretty bad service when groups can just pick another Monk that doesn't charge the group. Also, groups can just use hench healers when there are a lack of non-npc Monks in the game, henchmen/women are still decent.

Monks charging people to heal = Bad

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anyway, i don't see what's wrong with monks for hire, let's say, you're a very wealthy person, monk charges 2k for monking THK, you've been sitting all day looking for a monk but no luck, so i guess you could spare those 2k on a monk, and hope he's not a scammer.

but as Sai said, henchmen are decent.

lol this is hard to believe such exists...and it's a shame of course

Now i am waiting when will some damage dealers appear saying(example and no offense to eles of course):"Ele nuker for hire, one meteor shower 500 gold..."

I'm going to take both sides on this one. While I hate the idea of paying someone to play with me, I also hate how I get treated by teams when I play my monk in PUG missions. Frankly, later missions are often a hassle for healers. People going Rambo (and not just tanks), pre-game strategies crumbling because someone has a bee in their bonnet and wants to prove how leet they are. The post Sanctum missions are far less forgiving to people who "know what they're doing and to heck with the group!" And when they die, who do they blame?

Why so few (good) monks beyond the desert? We get sick of your attitude. Any monk worth its tattoos gets picked up pretty quickly by a guild who is more than happy to help them level and do missions. And once we get that guild, we don't want to go back into a PUG mission just to watch you die, lay on the ground and flame us until we rez you.

From what I can tell, these pay to play people aren't scammers either. When I've been in zones with P2P monks, most if not all only require payment AFTER the mission is completed. They probably take a screenshot of the Chat text where the group agrees to pay for their services in case someone later refuses so they can report THAT person as a scammer.

In the end this is something all too many Guild Wars players have brought upon themselves. When I chose monk as my second toon it was because I saw a need for them at the upper levels and thought it would be fun. After playing with a lot of people in PUGs I can honestly say that you've soured the experience somewhat. All in all, there are more rude Rangers, Warriors, Mesmers, Necros, and Eles in Tyria than there are rude monks.

If charging someone 500g for a mission keeps them from going off on their own, I say its not a bad thing. Not something I'd do, but not bad at all. If these people are any good at what they're doing, you should listen to them...and learn. They've probably completed that mission many times before they started charging groups. They know the tricks to see you through alive.

They're fine. Monks for hire are spending their time providing a service which is in need, just like runners, power levelers etc. And just like those services, you have the choice of not using them (use henchie monks instead) if you disapprove of them.

Think about it this way: at the end of the game, where there are very few "free" monks, wouldn't you rather have the choice of hiring a monk, rather than being stuck with henchies? At least, wouldn't others appreciate having the choice?

I don't like those monks, I still see it as some kind of exploit. It's not like everyone is good enough to get through some tough Missions with Henchies.
I mean, I have no problem paying runners etc. for their service, cause it's something you have to train for, it's not something everyone can do. But every monk can heal, it's just nothing special, so I don't see why they have any right to ask for a fee. I can't even be certain they are good at it, and all I ever saw wanted to be paid up front, so they might still leave at some point.
No, I never would be desperate enough to pay a monk.

I think this is disgusting, taking profit of such things, I never hired a monk like this and I never will, since it is just not correct.

I don't agree with that piece. Sure, all monks have the skills on their bar, but that doesn't make then great healers. Being a good monk is also about timing, deciding who needs healing first and energy management. Not every monk is as competent as the next one.

I agree monks get badmouthed sometimes, but monks are equally guilty of badmouthing IMO. I for one will never pay or charge for those services. Not only does it keep skilled players back due to the fact they can't find a decent group, monking is also - as QoH pointed out - a profession that can (and often is) needed in a mission. All players in a team should work together to complete the mission. When one player doesn't want to fulfill his part, I think it's time to make a new character and find the role they want to play.

The difference between other services and this one, is that the others help you skip ahead, or do things quicker. This is just ridiculous, that monk can seriously expect to be paid to heal. I think that it is outrageous, because the so called 'service' is a natural part of PvE, not something extra, such as Droknar's Runs, or something to help you move through quicker. All monks doing this should be banned for exploitation of newer players, it is the worst in Hell's Precipice.

What I find amusing, is that they get little or no business at all, and still sit around hour after hour trying to make a few gold.

No need to take monks for hire, because (except for FOW and the old UW) there are always henchy monks. What makes me laugh are the players that insist the henchy monks are bad. There are some instances where the henchy monk AI will get you into trouble, but unless you are unlucky to run into this situation, the henchy monks are quite good.

The way I see it, if they want to charge, fine. If somebody agrees to pay them...also fine.

HOWEVER, I personally would never pay one. What happens if you pay one and they turn out to be "not very good". Too much of a gamble, and I'd sooner use the henchs for free...

Even with exploits such as the 55monk and warriors doing runs, when I see a monk for hire I cringe. It's like a ranger saying that he won't shoot his bow if nobody pays him.

Monks... for hire... are very... lame individuals...

Several people have said this is fine and mentioned that it is a 'service'. IMO, it's not.

The monk is one of the six professions. All the professions are different; the monk is the one that has been given the most ability to keep people alive, therefore is sought after. Anet probably intended for players of this class to be needed in parties more than some of the other classes. By the end of the game, you need 2 or 3 monks in a party of 8. However, look over the professions. There are 6.... 8 divided by 6 = 1.6666 or something. So, in a party of 8 if you shared it out as equally as possible, there would be 2 of some and 1 of others. However, with the monks taking up 3, there are only 5 left. This either means you can only have 1 of each of the other professions, or you leave some out so you can have more than 1 of some.

You might say that some professions are more popular than others in PvE, but really if you compared them the numbers probably aren't extremely far apart. Because of the crap monks have to put up with, it is a less popular class to play, though a lot of people might have monks sitting around in their account. Therefore, there is a lack of them to fulfill the requirement in the missions.

Now, this is where things get bad. The monks start appearing again, and will play with you, but on one condition : you pay them for their 'service'. They exploit the higher need for monks than other classes, simply by playing as their class 'should'. This is not the same as running. This is not the same as power-leveling someone by fighting billions of monsters. They are simply playing the game as their class is designed, and gaining more than anyone else for it. The scam potential is also great. I really see no reason why a monk playing the game normally like any other should earn money simply because there are too few like himself around. That wasn't what Anet wanted to happen. They didn't want classes to become more necessary than others and so gain for it. They wanted there to be balance.

Another point: If you can't find a monk to complete a mission PUG, maybe you should consider joining a decent guild that will help or has plenty of people doing missions. Or, take henchmen. Just don't take this pretend-service.

Monks for hire are retarded. I'd rather have the hench. Sure they arn't too great, but atleast they are consistant so you know what to expect.