Ban Casinos

Talus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hamilton, ON

E/Me

Please..I'm sick of these guys flooding the LOCAL channel with their crap. It doesn't belong in an online roleplaying game and it CERTAINLY doesn't belong in a fantasy environment.

If people want to gamble...there are plenty of online gambling games to choose from. You can lose virtual or real money...whichever you'd like to lose

Either that...or make the IGNORE command actually block ALL text by the character, and not just whispers. That would at least be a good stopgap.

Madjik

Madjik

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere, U.S.A.

Gold Pheonix

I agree with your first suggestion although im sure there are plenty who will object.

I REALLY AGREE with the ignore comment. It's irritating to listen to someone constantly spam a channel every two seconds.

CAN I BUY THIS
CAN I BUY THIS
CAN I BUY THIS
CAN I BUY THIS

When thats all you see for 10 mins straight and you can roll back and see nothing but that on your text log, theres a problem. If i put someone on ignore i'd like to not see him or any of his emotes or anything concerning him on my chat bar. it's disruptive to any other conversation you may be trying to have.

Talus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hamilton, ON

E/Me

Exactly..right now, people are getting around the spam filters by changing their text slightly and just waiting a second or so before re-posting.

jdwoody

jdwoody

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Austin

Does anyone know why /ignore doesn't work? Every chat program and game I've used/played in the last 10 years has a way to ignore these people.

I don't want to ever trade or party with them so please fix /ignore, thx...

dro_china town

dro_china town

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

an igaloo in hawaii

yea uncheck the local..

Talus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hamilton, ON

E/Me

But then I cannot tell if people are LFG or wanting to quest, etc. Unchecking the local channel is not an option in my opinion.

By your logic, they should create a 'casino' channel.

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

Or a better solution would be to NOT ban them at all.

Why not just implement them into the game? As in give people access to a very base dice rolling interface, which allows people to place bets ect.

Would be much easier then them spamming local with "X rolls 50 on 100 sided dice"

followed by "W00T! I win"

Why get rid of something people like to do? simply give them an interface to allow them to do it.

On the comment that Gambling doesn't belong in a fantasy setting, your'll find that gambling has existed long in history.

Lek Stacy

Lek Stacy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

Savage Killers (SK)

N/Mo

First off, has anyone ever seen a casino player actually pay up when a player wins? I've seen them map travel out of the district as soon as someone rolls over the triple pay back. I think it's just another scam. I don't understand why you just don't go and actually play the game if you need money that badly.

Madjik

Madjik

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere, U.S.A.

Gold Pheonix

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Or a better solution would be to NOT ban them at all.

Why not just implement them into the game? As in give people access to a very base dice rolling interface, which allows people to place bets ect.

Would be much easier then them spamming local with "X rolls 50 on 100 sided dice"

followed by "W00T! I win"

Why get rid of something people like to do? simply give them an interface to allow them to do it.

On the comment that Gambling doesn't belong in a fantasy setting, your'll find that gambling has existed long in history.

To be completly honest, i dont give a whoot weather people gamble or not, what i want is the ignore feature to work so i dont have to see it. Then they can spam the die rolls and the casino advertisment all they want. In fact, when you get down to it, thats the whole basis of the idea to ban gambleing all together, the spam. The OP started another thread based on the whole ignore command and it should be looked at. If that ever gets 'fixed' you'll quickly find people careing much less about weather others gamble or not.

Clickity Click for that thread.

Talus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hamilton, ON

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Or a better solution would be to NOT ban them at all.

Why not just implement them into the game? As in give people access to a very base dice rolling interface, which allows people to place bets ect.

Would be much easier then them spamming local with "X rolls 50 on 100 sided dice"

followed by "W00T! I win"

Why get rid of something people like to do? simply give them an interface to allow them to do it.
I would be totally fine with that. I just want to not have it BLASTED across my chat windows forcing me to either a) leave, or b) hide the local chat window and miss out on what that channel is intended for.

I must admit, I made the original post shortly after quitting the game in disgust after being spammed by casinos. So the subject title is a bit more 'shocky' than it needs to be.

Really..we just need a solution to get all these casino players out of our faces.

I still stand behind my original thought that this type of thing does not belong in this type of game...there are STAND-ALONE gambling games out there if people want to gamble.

If you want to earn money in this game, you should do so by the intended means...go out and kill, or join in the player economy.

What's next? In-game drugs/drinking/prostitution/mafiosi?

Talus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hamilton, ON

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madjik
To be completly honest, i dont give a whoot weather people gamble or not, what i want is the ignore feature to work so i dont have to see it. Then they can spam the die rolls and the casino advertisment all they want. In fact, when you get down to it, thats the whole basis of the idea to ban gambleing all together, the spam. The OP started another thread based on the whole ignore command and it should be looked at. If that ever gets 'fixed' you'll quickly find people careing much less about weather others gamble or not.
Yeah, that's why I decided to make that thread. It makes more sense than this one

Although I do like to hear and participate in debate over this topic.

Urban_Knight

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Talus
What's next? In-game drugs/drinking/prostitution/mafiosi?
Ive already seen someone saying they "will poll dance for a warriors" in a mission zone, so that takes Prostitution off the list. I have seen people been payed, but insted of it flooding the local chat, i think the dice spam should only pop up to people within a very small distance. I dont mind seeing casino "ads" ,for lack of a better term, providing they dont spam it constantly.

Talus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hamilton, ON

E/Me

Ugh..just saw THREE casinos all competiting tonight in the local channel. Lemme tell ya, I just logged off after seeing that misery.

Upon mention of suggesting that an ignore feature would be a beautiful thing, you shoulda heard the potty mouths on them..well, if the chat filter was turned off Their true and juvenile colours shone through.

t0yb0x

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

Canada

Wr

N/E

tbh i am quite sick of casinos popping up everywhere i go. so much spam!

either give them another channel or remove the /roll command.

and how many of these casinos aren't scams anyway?

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

I take back what I said in this thread before... give these things a channel or system of their own or ban the /roll command!

I was in the Ice cave last night and there was one running in there ffs

They are speading out everywhere they can, and its starting to get a bit silly.

Madjik

Madjik

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere, U.S.A.

Gold Pheonix

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
I take back what I said in this thread before... give these things a channel or system of their own or ban the /roll command!

I was in the Ice cave last night and there was one running in there ffs

They are speading out everywhere they can, and its starting to get a bit silly.
Aye, thier getting bold. Some of 'em are even beginning to admit that its a scam. Bragging about it on a forum is nothing to be proud of.

EDIT:: Let's not get into that however, i've become rather attached to this thread and i'd hate to see it closed and locked.

Talus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hamilton, ON

E/Me

I wish we could get some sort of official (or at least semi-official) word from Anet on their feelings on this.

sybban

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Beaufort Fun Park

I don't remember the guild name

Mo/W

I never see casinos because I never to go to ascalon, even to buy stuff. There are other places to buy things. If casinos spread outside of ascalon then yes I'll agree.

XxSwOrDxX

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Praetorian Protectorate

W/E

Yes....YES..the spam in this game is really getting out of control..now with the casinos out and about scamming people..it just adds to the spam..PLEASE help correct this problem...all that text makes my head hurt :/

Lasher Dragon

Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

Join Date: Apr 2005

Iowa

Alphahive

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by sybban
I never see casinos because I never to go to ascalon, even to buy stuff. There are other places to buy things. If casinos spread outside of ascalon then yes I'll agree.
I'm sorry but I see Casinos in every town I go to, with a few small exceptions. It would be nice if it were just Ascalon but they spread from there long ago.

Perishiko ReLLiK

Perishiko ReLLiK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Divine Guardians of the Soul (Soul)

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lek Stacy
First off, has anyone ever seen a casino player actually pay up when a player wins? I've seen them map travel out of the district as soon as someone rolls over the triple pay back. I think it's just another scam. I don't understand why you just don't go and actually play the game if you need money that badly.
In the american realm, casino's "Glu", and "exxus(sp)" are both legit casinos... and sry to tell yea people... but it's the only thing to do while waiting to get the item you need... i wouldnt gamble if there was an auction house... but it just gets so boring spamming that channel... after two hours of trying to find the item i wanted... i just bet 20k on one gamble... and then, when i had no money, i felt relieved... I no longer had to sit there trying to find my item, cause i now had no money for it. Problem solved ^.^

Quote:
Originally Posted by sybban
I never see casinos because I never to go to ascalon, even to buy stuff. There are other places to buy things. If casinos spread outside of ascalon then yes I'll agree.
Most casinos are in lions arch... and LOTS of people started scamming once they figured out people would actually give them the gold... heh.

Kostabi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

R/Me

I wish they would implement a legit way to gamble within the game if only to curb all the people who spam "+++ CASINO +++" in practically every town and district.

Adacia Calla

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

The Halls.

[FREE]

W/R

Um, if you guys ever decide to leave Lions Arch or Ascalon City, this won't be an issue. Those are the only 2 places that casinos exist. I've yet to see one in Yaks Bend, Ventaris Refuge, Aurora Glade, Amnoon Oasis, Draknors Forge, Augury Rock etc.

Daywalka

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Ice Tooth Cave

Hypnosis of Darkness [HoD]

W/N

But the sheer fact that they are in these towns is ridiculous. I shouldn't not want to go to a certain town to meet friends, help out other people lower than me, etc just because people saying "Come to Dumb Head's Casino!" over and over again.

Ban Casinos or fix ignore and make the list seperate from the friend's list!

Lasher Dragon

Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

Join Date: Apr 2005

Iowa

Alphahive

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adacia Calla
Um, if you guys ever decide to leave Lions Arch or Ascalon City, this won't be an issue. Those are the only 2 places that casinos exist. I've yet to see one in Yaks Bend, Ventaris Refuge, Aurora Glade, Amnoon Oasis, Draknors Forge, Augury Rock etc.
Seen them in all of the above except Droknar's (kinda hard to get far in the game if you are too lazy or too busy begging for $ to ascend), Ventari's and Aurora(not enough people I imagine).

thegriffgeeks

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

in the wild with Lion

Knights of the Old Republic

R/Mo

The casino thing needs to go away. My solution: get a screen capture of the announcement, login into AE support, report a rules violation with names and attaching the screen capture backing it up. I figure if I (and others) do it enough, AE will get the picture and do something about it.

I just fail to understand the why of the casinos. The amount of money you can have is capped. The game isn't anything about gambling. You can have all the money you want, but that isn't going to help you quest, beat the game, or ascend.

I just don't understand why you would pay $50 for a game to get fake money that doesn't get you any closer to playing or completing the game.

Lord Alawane

Lord Alawane

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

I live in IL, USA

W/Mo

If they should make a "casino" channel... they should make a "whining" section for this forum *smirks* I've never gambled in GW but who really cares?

Dubby

Dubby

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

D/

People enjoy games of chance, its a little thrill and excitement. People have enjoyed gambling for a very, very long time. A little ingame accomidation for gambling would be nice.

There are, of course, problems.

If there is indeed a window people can setup and put in a "bank" of gold that gets depleted or increased based on wins and losses, then what's to keep players from rampantly putting up casinos all over the district? They'd pop up like wildflowers. This could be just as annoying, nor would it stop channel spam for casino ads. It would, atleast, make it reliable.

What about an npc that does it? Well this leaves som eof the fun and excitement out of the person to person contact, that can make gambling more enjoyable. Although it is a feasable option, it doesn't completely remove the ---BOBOS CASINO - MIN BET 100 MAX 1000 - 65+ 2x 95+ 3x---- etc crap we see right now, alot of times more often then we want. It is also, however, the easiest to create option. A newbie scripter could likely make one in 30 minutes.

However an actual casino building / town has given excitement of the locale, the possibility of much more variety in games - aside from just rolling. It helps remove spam slightly more then the previous, simply because people who wish to gamble and know about this location, will go there to do so. Likewise, the gambling scammers will still hang around other towns.



Here is my proposition (which is a bit of a conglomoration of all the ideas).

An expansion includes a casino/gambling town, with additional games of chance to entertain the fateful fancies of the players. Games like these are by no means difficult to make, and give them a little something else to do with their money. As well, make the likelyhood of expanding some of those very games into a guild hall a possibility too. Personal blackjack table, anyone?

In addition to the town, player sustained gambling can be done via a window, with die rolls made inside the window presented over the character's head, not in the chat channel. This still allows people to see who gets what (for the ooh aah or DAMMIT factor). It doesn't end there though, oh no! To operate and host this window, the player must purchase a license. And a license for each town. ( I would put one in pre-searing, just to help prevent scammers from cheating the little people of their hard earned 100 gold. )

Also, make players AWARE of the license npcs, and the gambling town asap (in post searing ascalon if possible, as well as mention it numerous times along their travels). This helps assure them that there is an official location for this, and in the mean time they need to conserve their gold. Not everyone will do it, some may even aspire to goto that town one day.

I really like minigames, even if they're just simple games of chance.

Sadye X

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Any of you who've ever played EQ may remember that players spamming for casinos became a fairly large issue. /Ignore became useless to a certain point, because all the person had to do was create as many new characters as they could think up names for, deleting the old ones etc...

What ended up happening is they made it offical that player casinos were no longer allowed, but to satisfy the very very small minority of players who chose to participate they added an in-game casino.

Personally I wish that casinos would be banned from this game, based primarily on the fact that it's disruptive to general game play for the majority of players. Towns / outposts are our only area to interact with a large number of players outside of our own guild, and its exceedingly annoying that as the player base grows, so does the amount of spam for this sort of thing, especially given that /ignore currently doesn't filter any of it.

I understand that there are those players who think the casinos are all fine and good, but it's disruptive to the vast majority of people. I read one post where it was suggested that you just check off the general chat ... but all that does is give the right to disrupt game play to the few, while the rest have to suffer through it ... and again, since towns/ outposts are the only places in the game to interract with large numbers of players, is it really a fair fix to expect them to give that up ?

Ban casinos ~ it's disruptive to general game play for the vast majority of your customers. Period.

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by thegriffgeeks
...I just fail to understand the why of the casinos...
People have too much money, and letting it sit in the storage vault doesn't give you interest...

Honestly, as long as the spam and other such crap is disposed of, I do not care what kind of casinos still exist (I don't use them. if they don't annoy me, not my problem )

thegriffgeeks

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

in the wild with Lion

Knights of the Old Republic

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer
People have too much money, and letting it sit in the storage vault doesn't give you interest...
and that equates to gambling!?!

So what money is sitting in the vault? Spend it on the cool looking 15k armor. Fund the things that your other 3 characters need.

I'm not sure what logic you are applying here, but it certainly doesn't make sense.