My new policy - vendor everything

I know I could make more money if I participated in GW's version of a player economy. But I can't stand it.

The spam is intolerable. I can't read that mess. Everyone wants you to put items in the trade window. Then, after wasting your time with all that button pushing, they don't buy it. People are rude and obnoxious when you try to come to terms on a price. You have to move around from district to district to peddle your wares. It sucks.

From now on, I vendor or salvage anything I can't use. The diminishment of my game experience isn't worth the extra sheckles I could make otherwise.

Please, if any Dev ever sees this, put an auction house in this game.

You mean you weren't doing this already? Hell, unless I have something that I would get ALOT more from a player than from a vendor for *see major runes etc* I vendor/salvage it right off.

Same here. It isn't worth the time or the hassel to deal with most players. Admittedly, I've made two excellent deals with players, but they were both trades for dyes... nothing I wanted to make a ton of money on. Anything else, I schlep it off on a vendor.

Absolutely, I hate wasting my time trying to sell to other players. I generally give a shout to my guildies when I find something good. If they don't want it, the merchant can have it. (Runes/ rare dyes are an exception, I just don't work too hard at getting rid of them.)

Yes, unless an weapon or shield is pretty rare or have really good stats, I just sell off anything I can. Minor runes I'll try and gather a few up and then selling them 200-300, if people don't want them I'll get rid of them.

Now I woun't mind a auction house if the auctioneer took out a service fee, say 10% off the selling price. That would get rid of junk, but not get rid of the sales channel.

The only time I have done any trading is I gave a ranger rune of expertise to a level 10 ranger cause i couldn't use it and traded a staff wrapping of fortitude for an axe.

I understand everyone's frustration with the economy and trading issues. I for one having been vendor selling since day 1 of the economy and trading spammage. The only time I will look at it is when I may want to purchase something for a new character I'm working on. Other than that I do not try to bother. You can always turn it on and off but it's stupid to bother.

The best solution is (and I've said this in other forums and posts) AN + GW needs to get their crap together and put up an Auction House. A place that will allow you to post a certain number of items (maybe 8 or so) and sell them. They should have it broken down like this if you are purchasing it.

Say you want to buy an Axe. Go to the AH at a major town.

Buy --> Weapons --> Axes --> Then see the item itself or have a detailed description including all stats. FFXI has an AH system and it works perfectly. Only problem that occurred in FFXI is botting that SE refuses to admit or do anything about. People botting and camping NM's HNM's ruined the economy. It's the best system IMO and would benefit everyone. You dont waste time filtering spam, reading spam to find items, and it doesn't tick anyone off. I hate wasting time trying to read every spam when I want to buy one particular item. *sigh*

We can only hope GW devs do something quickly.

I buy and sell dyes and weapon upgrades/runes with other players, and that's all I do. If I happen to oversee someone selling a good weapon, then I'll buy it from them, but as for trying to sell other weapons, no matter how good they are, no chance. Either to guildies or friends. If neither of them want it, then to the vendor.

While I completely agree that the lack of any in-game mechanism to faciliate an actual economy is irritating, you can work with the current (lack of a) system.

When you want to sell, hit Lion's Arch or Droknar's Forge, make a concise, easily readable message, and send it to the trade channel WITH the price included. Change districts a few times, repeat the same message once in each district (shift up), then wait a bit. If you get any bites, great. You've already established the price, set a meeting point and offload. If they try to haggle, ignore them.

If you want to buy, same deal, but just flat out avoid people who go 'make offer' (alternately, always say 100g, regardless of what the item is - when they indignantly inform you its worth 1000, ask why they didn't say that in the first place :P). Buy items with marked prices. Watch the flow of spam for a few moments in each of those areas for items you may be interested in.

Basically, be firm on buying or selling prices, don't waste time with hagglers, and only go and mess with buying or selling when you're looking to offload good items or pick up something specific.

The rest of the time, filter the trade channel and roll your eyes at the Casino spam in general chat :P

...add more traders, like the dye, sigil and heavy materials. I think they fit the game better, and would have less effect on the economy than the auction house.

It would take some work to create a weapon trader because of all the modifiers, but a rune trader should be easy.

An unidentified item (mystery box) trader where you buy/sell unidentified items divided into types and rareness would be useful too, for the unlockers.

Some system to automate the trading process - Auction Houses or an NPC to sell items for you have always been popular suggestions - is pretty much becoming a necessity. I for one only deal with NPCs, because Diablo 2 killed any patience I had for player trading, and in Guild Wars, it clearly isn't any better. Player A decrees that 1 Heffalump is worth 3 Woozles, while Player B says that a Woozle is worth 3 Heffalumps and 2 Pink Elephants. It is a game where players seek to exploit each other based on need and greed, with made up rules and imaginary pieces - player trading is chess for the institutionalized.

How exactly does the dye trader's system work? Couldn't that be used for all other items in the game?

yeah! in galaxies they have that. you can load up a ebay type system and buy sell and auction...it was fantastic.

Am I the only one who just doesn't buy from people in game? I buy from people in the forums here and thats about it. Everything else I find myself, I sell things on the forum or to a vendor.. never once used chat to sell anything. Is the extra gold really worth the time to sell it???

I liked the way they dealt with buying and selling items in RYL, even though the game blows as a whole and is incomparable to any decent MMORPG, I liked how you could just set up your own little store via a button in your inventory and put a price on yer junk. It was nice that way. Besides, I just vendor everything anyways and I do fine on money. If it's anything decent that I think I can sell (like ripping 1500 off someone for a black dye :P) then I usually don't even have a problem selling it. Usually a 10 minute thing to sell my crap and get a move on.

oh yeah. first off i have never bought anything from any body at all, except NPC's. I do sell all the time though. i find a lot of good items that I just don't need. what do i do with this extra stuff? well i can sell it to the merchants or toss them. If I can sell something for a little more gold to some other player, then why not. its no biggie and 50 or more gold always helps out a bit.

sold a bow last night for 1000 gold. i posted it up, and it was sold in less than one minute. thats a good turn around.

I gotta disagree, I always say either make offer or how much. I hardly ever buy/sell, so I have almost no clue what an item is worth. All I really know is "This is a good sword, I may be able to get more than 1k for it."

The merchants need to offer more realistic prices for items - WTF is 1 gp for dye all about! Better prices from merchants would result in more players selling items to merchants and this would reduce the excessive clutter of mundane items in the trade channel.

I also think merchants should inventory items bought for resale. I am so bored with the same objects all the time...how about a system like in NWNs where items stay until the server is reset.

Bottom line, the problem lies with the merchants. Improve that and everything else will fall neatly in place.

The Merchan is my biggest fan...SO much easier to sit and sell to them than humans, you'll get a lower price more often than not, but it saves a good deal of time. The only items I sell to humans are the gold ones

Yeah, I sell my crap, but hold on to salvage items in case someone wants to buy them of a guild member needs them. I made 500 gold for 10 ingots one time when I wasn't even thinking about trying to sell stuff. I don't feel bad because the guy was level 13 while I was 11 so if it was too much, he should have known better by now. I sell crafting items and runes, it's too hard to sell the other stuff.