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Redfang

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Hope And Glory

W/Me

17 May 2005 at 15:57 - 1

I know I could make more money if I participated in GW's version of a player economy. But I can't stand it.

The spam is intolerable. I can't read that mess. Everyone wants you to put items in the trade window. Then, after wasting your time with all that button pushing, they don't buy it. People are rude and obnoxious when you try to come to terms on a price. You have to move around from district to district to peddle your wares. It sucks.

From now on, I vendor or salvage anything I can't use. The diminishment of my game experience isn't worth the extra sheckles I could make otherwise.

Please, if any Dev ever sees this, put an auction house in this game.

Kordesh

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

17 May 2005 at 16:13 - 2

You mean you weren't doing this already? Hell, unless I have something that I would get ALOT more from a player than from a vendor for *see major runes etc* I vendor/salvage it right off.

Alzbeta

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

South Carolina, USA

Order of the Silver Dragon [OSD]

R/E

17 May 2005 at 16:20 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kordesh

...unless I have something that I would get ALOT more from a player than from a vendor for *see major runes etc* I vendor/salvage it right off.

Same here. It isn't worth the time or the hassel to deal with most players. Admittedly, I've made two excellent deals with players, but they were both trades for dyes... nothing I wanted to make a ton of money on. Anything else, I schlep it off on a vendor.

Auntie I

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Veritas Invictus

E/Me

17 May 2005 at 16:28 - 4

Absolutely, I hate wasting my time trying to sell to other players. I generally give a shout to my guildies when I find something good. If they don't want it, the merchant can have it. (Runes/ rare dyes are an exception, I just don't work too hard at getting rid of them.)

Rothgar

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

17 May 2005 at 16:31 - 5

Yes, unless an weapon or shield is pretty rare or have really good stats, I just sell off anything I can. Minor runes I'll try and gather a few up and then selling them 200-300, if people don't want them I'll get rid of them.

Now I woun't mind a auction house if the auctioneer took out a service fee, say 10% off the selling price. That would get rid of junk, but not get rid of the sales channel.

Claymore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Kingston, Ontario, Canada

A/W

17 May 2005 at 16:31 - 6

The only time I have done any trading is I gave a ranger rune of expertise to a level 10 ranger cause i couldn't use it and traded a staff wrapping of fortitude for an axe.

Phantom Force

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

New York

W/Mo

17 May 2005 at 16:35 - 7

I understand everyone's frustration with the economy and trading issues. I for one having been vendor selling since day 1 of the economy and trading spammage. The only time I will look at it is when I may want to purchase something for a new character I'm working on. Other than that I do not try to bother. You can always turn it on and off but it's stupid to bother.

The best solution is (and I've said this in other forums and posts) AN + GW needs to get their crap together and put up an Auction House. A place that will allow you to post a certain number of items (maybe 8 or so) and sell them. They should have it broken down like this if you are purchasing it.

Say you want to buy an Axe. Go to the AH at a major town.

Buy --> Weapons --> Axes --> Then see the item itself or have a detailed description including all stats. FFXI has an AH system and it works perfectly. Only problem that occurred in FFXI is botting that SE refuses to admit or do anything about. People botting and camping NM's HNM's ruined the economy. It's the best system IMO and would benefit everyone. You dont waste time filtering spam, reading spam to find items, and it doesn't tick anyone off. I hate wasting time trying to read every spam when I want to buy one particular item. *sigh*

We can only hope GW devs do something quickly.

Jackell

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Buffalo NY

None at the moment

R/E

17 May 2005 at 16:37 - 8

I buy and sell dyes and weapon upgrades/runes with other players, and that's all I do. If I happen to oversee someone selling a good weapon, then I'll buy it from them, but as for trying to sell other weapons, no matter how good they are, no chance. Either to guildies or friends. If neither of them want it, then to the vendor.

Kerus Tel Veren

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

17 May 2005 at 16:38 - 9

While I completely agree that the lack of any in-game mechanism to faciliate an actual economy is irritating, you can work with the current (lack of a) system.

When you want to sell, hit Lion's Arch or Droknar's Forge, make a concise, easily readable message, and send it to the trade channel WITH the price included. Change districts a few times, repeat the same message once in each district (shift up), then wait a bit. If you get any bites, great. You've already established the price, set a meeting point and offload. If they try to haggle, ignore them.

If you want to buy, same deal, but just flat out avoid people who go 'make offer' (alternately, always say 100g, regardless of what the item is - when they indignantly inform you its worth 1000, ask why they didn't say that in the first place :P). Buy items with marked prices. Watch the flow of spam for a few moments in each of those areas for items you may be interested in.

Basically, be firm on buying or selling prices, don't waste time with hagglers, and only go and mess with buying or selling when you're looking to offload good items or pick up something specific.

The rest of the time, filter the trade channel and roll your eyes at the Casino spam in general chat :P

Deagol

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Denmark

17 May 2005 at 17:08 - 10

...add more traders, like the dye, sigil and heavy materials. I think they fit the game better, and would have less effect on the economy than the auction house.

It would take some work to create a weapon trader because of all the modifiers, but a rune trader should be easy.

An unidentified item (mystery box) trader where you buy/sell unidentified items divided into types and rareness would be useful too, for the unlockers.

Spooky

Bokusatsu Tenshi

Join Date: Dec 2004

Bellevue, WA

KEA

E/Mo

17 May 2005 at 17:28 - 11

Some system to automate the trading process - Auction Houses or an NPC to sell items for you have always been popular suggestions - is pretty much becoming a necessity. I for one only deal with NPCs, because Diablo 2 killed any patience I had for player trading, and in Guild Wars, it clearly isn't any better. Player A decrees that 1 Heffalump is worth 3 Woozles, while Player B says that a Woozle is worth 3 Heffalumps and 2 Pink Elephants. It is a game where players seek to exploit each other based on need and greed, with made up rules and imaginary pieces - player trading is chess for the institutionalized.

B@!T

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

17 May 2005 at 17:33 - 12

How exactly does the dye trader's system work? Couldn't that be used for all other items in the game?

Kaylynn Of Ascalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

California

17 May 2005 at 18:02 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfang

Please, if any Dev ever sees this, put an auction house in this game.

yeah! in galaxies they have that. you can load up a ebay type system and buy sell and auction...it was fantastic.

Ramus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

Zero Tolerance

W/Mo

17 May 2005 at 21:37 - 14

Am I the only one who just doesn't buy from people in game? I buy from people in the forums here and thats about it. Everything else I find myself, I sell things on the forum or to a vendor.. never once used chat to sell anything. Is the extra gold really worth the time to sell it???

PieXags

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Infinite Representation Of Pie And Its Many Brilliances

17 May 2005 at 21:53 - 15

I liked the way they dealt with buying and selling items in RYL, even though the game blows as a whole and is incomparable to any decent MMORPG, I liked how you could just set up your own little store via a button in your inventory and put a price on yer junk. It was nice that way. Besides, I just vendor everything anyways and I do fine on money. If it's anything decent that I think I can sell (like ripping 1500 off someone for a black dye :P) then I usually don't even have a problem selling it. Usually a 10 minute thing to sell my crap and get a move on.

Kaylynn Of Ascalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

California

17 May 2005 at 22:01 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramus

Am I the only one who just doesn't buy from people in game? I buy from people in the forums here and thats about it. Everything else I find myself, I sell things on the forum or to a vendor.. never once used chat to sell anything. Is the extra gold really worth the time to sell it???

oh yeah. first off i have never bought anything from any body at all, except NPC's. I do sell all the time though. i find a lot of good items that I just don't need. what do i do with this extra stuff? well i can sell it to the merchants or toss them. If I can sell something for a little more gold to some other player, then why not. its no biggie and 50 or more gold always helps out a bit.

sold a bow last night for 1000 gold. i posted it up, and it was sold in less than one minute. thats a good turn around.

Jackell

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Buffalo NY

None at the moment

R/E

17 May 2005 at 22:06 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerus Tel Veren

just flat out avoid people who go 'make offer'

I gotta disagree, I always say either make offer or how much. I hardly ever buy/sell, so I have almost no clue what an item is worth. All I really know is "This is a good sword, I may be able to get more than 1k for it."

Skult

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

Vancouver BC Canada

Army of Ascension

W/Mo

17 May 2005 at 22:09 - 18

The merchants need to offer more realistic prices for items - WTF is 1 gp for dye all about! Better prices from merchants would result in more players selling items to merchants and this would reduce the excessive clutter of mundane items in the trade channel.

I also think merchants should inventory items bought for resale. I am so bored with the same objects all the time...how about a system like in NWNs where items stay until the server is reset.

Bottom line, the problem lies with the merchants. Improve that and everything else will fall neatly in place.

Antilles

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Silverdale, WA

Confuzion

W/Mo

17 May 2005 at 22:13 - 19

The Merchan is my biggest fan...SO much easier to sit and sell to them than humans, you'll get a lower price more often than not, but it saves a good deal of time. The only items I sell to humans are the gold ones

Tur713

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Pink Animal Clan

E/Me

17 May 2005 at 22:14 - 20

Yeah, I sell my crap, but hold on to salvage items in case someone wants to buy them of a guild member needs them. I made 500 gold for 10 ingots one time when I wasn't even thinking about trying to sell stuff. I don't feel bad because the guy was level 13 while I was 11 so if it was too much, he should have known better by now. I sell crafting items and runes, it's too hard to sell the other stuff.

Phantom Force

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

New York

W/Mo

17 May 2005 at 23:09 - 21

Well the best thing about Auction House idea is not only convienence and saves time. It's that after every one starts using it and posting items, the economy will level out. I've seen morons trying to sell Fur Squares 500 gold!!!!!!!! for just one <--- can you say moron (goes the same for person who bought it). I've bought them for at most 300 gil when I was in a hurry and seen them go as low as 150 each. I hate looking and waiting for a respectable price. Atleast after an AH type system is established you'll see certain items level out others may rise. Such has the best Firery Swords and what not. So there are multiple bonuses.

** As for going online to buy and sell, can anyone say pain the the arse? I don't have all day to play like some folks because I work full time and I'm married. So the last thing I want to do is take extra time to post items or search for items I want to buy. **

PieXags

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Infinite Representation Of Pie And Its Many Brilliances

18 May 2005 at 01:10 - 22

I just wish we could set up our own shops, have a button and window for our own little shops where people could just click and by our shit for what we have it priced at. The merchants are often times cheaper anyway, so this wouldn't ruin the economy, if anything, it'd just reduce the spamming because then it'd be as easy as just walking around shopping for what you want or something. It works pretty well in the games that I've seen it in, if you wanted some fur you'd just look for the store name that said "FUR 150" or something like that, go and buy it. Easy peasy lemon squeezy, only problem with it was there were so many stores it lagged an insane amount...

I don't have a problem with the way it is now, I just turn off the goddam trade channel, I only need it when I need something and/or want to sell, and that isn't often.

primal98

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

18 May 2005 at 01:17 - 23

Yes we need some efficient trading system..... something that would make the supply and demand God's proud hahahaha... I like teh idea of an in game ebay type system.... or a store system... I honestly don't have the time to sit there waiting and adding to the spam

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

18 May 2005 at 02:22 - 24

right now my inventory is full of great items that i can't sell.

i need to get more runes and stuff, so i have to clear my space. it would be a shame to have to sell all that useful stuff to vendors. but trying to sell them to other players is simply way too time-consuming and aggravating of a process.

they really need an auction house in Guild Wars

or increase the amount of gold that NPCs pay for great items by about 10 billion fold

Lews

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Seattle, Washington

R/E

18 May 2005 at 07:08 - 25

How do sell to humans?

Shadow_Avenger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Stolen Dreams

R/Me

18 May 2005 at 07:12 - 26

TBH i keep runes and upgrades incase I make another chr that may use them.
I strip more or less everything down and sell to vendors.
If I have an Item that is useful to a group member I will 9/10 give the items away.
You make enough money in the game anyways, infact once you have the best armour money becomes fairly redundant.

Lord Malikai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Colorado

Imperial Fist Guild Leader

W/E

18 May 2005 at 10:43 - 27

*sigh*. My entire vault is full of runes. I can't stand the <<<<WTB BIG FRICKIN SWORD WITH GODLY COOL STUFFZ ONLY PLZKTHX!!!>>>... messages. I can't sell the runes, or anything else for that matter because I'm so sick of putting a nice, simple to read trade message out and then the screen flies by with messages like the above. Not only do they put up the most annoying message, they'll spam it 3-5 times every 5 seconds. It's just purely impossible to effectively auction or buy anything with a shout system ruled by idjits with bad grammar.

Please, for the sake of my aging eyes, add an Auction House!

Phantium

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Europe United [EU]

W/Mo

18 May 2005 at 10:48 - 28

I mostly vendor or salvage, stuff I can't use which is really good... I simply give it to guild members.

Look at the junk in my storage for instance:

Riso

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

18 May 2005 at 12:22 - 29

Quote:

. I've seen morons trying to sell Fur Squares 500 gold!!!!!!!! for just one <--- can you say moron (goes the same for person who bought it).

I can beat that.
Once I had somebody offer me 3616 for two fur squares.
Bought me a new armor for that. Hah!

Quote:

Not only do they put up the most annoying message, they'll spam it 3-5 times every 5 seconds. It's just purely impossible to effectively auction or buy anything with a shout system ruled by idjits with bad grammar.

And then I try to repeat my simple message twice and get a "throttled for flooding".
Right...

blaster_boy

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

18 May 2005 at 12:54 - 30

I like the material trader a lot - the price seems to fluctuate depending on how much stuff he sold or bought. 1 item went for 160g and 10 minutes later went for 170.

Something similar to sell other items would be good.

RepinsMirg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Tacoma, WA

First Name Only

W/E

18 May 2005 at 13:09 - 31

hmm I make about 10k or more an hour if I vendor everything so it isn't that bad of a plan.

Straegen

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

18 May 2005 at 13:56 - 32

They should implement somthing similar to the horizons vendor system. You could list up to X items at a vendor for whatever price and quantity, but you had to pay 10% of the list up front which kept people from listing items inappropriately. When someone bought something, the money was deposited in your account (in our case the vault). Main advantages are less lag in the system since players aren't standing around spamming channels, more killing time, simple setup so it won't take a bunch of coding, more space in the vault since items are kept at the vendor and removes gold from the system making money even more valuable.

Virtuoso

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

18 May 2005 at 17:25 - 33

Unfortunately this is one of the many reasons Guild War's economy is so poor in general. It's a pitty the economy is already dead and it hasn't even been out a month yet...

-Virt

tool++

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

Surrey, UK (*EU Server!*)

Legion of Anarchy

R/Mo

18 May 2005 at 17:30 - 34

I find its best trading away from idiot filled holes like ascalon, and going to higher level places.

For instance, I asked around for some steel and someone said 500, hop over to Droknars and most people offered about 250.

Virtuoso

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

18 May 2005 at 17:33 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by tool++

I find its best trading away from idiot filled holes like ascalon, and going to higher level places.

For instance, I asked around for some steel and someone said 500, hop over to Droknars and most people offered about 250.

Could that be because new players may value steel more at that level because it is harder to come by that early on in the game? And because by Droknar's most players have steel coming out their ears? No... say it ain't so...

-Virt

Auntie I

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Veritas Invictus

E/Me

18 May 2005 at 17:53 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Virtuoso

Could that be because new players may value steel more at that level because it is harder to come by that early on in the game? And because by Droknar's most players have steel coming out their ears? No... say it ain't so...

-Virt

OMG That would be a supply based economy! Wouldn't it!

Expunge

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

18 May 2005 at 18:02 - 37

Maybe the GW folks can come up with something unique. I'm sure the bastards at Blizz would try to sue if they copied the AH, lol. (Especially considering that GW is stealing their customers now

)

Virtuoso

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

18 May 2005 at 18:31 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Expunge

Maybe the GW folks can come up with something unique. I'm sure the bastards at Blizz would try to sue if they copied the AH, lol. (Especially considering that GW is stealing their customers now

)

Are you kidding? An auction house is not exactly a unique idea in general, not to mention the fact that WoW was not the first game to have them.

-Virt

tool++

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

Surrey, UK (*EU Server!*)

Legion of Anarchy

R/Mo

18 May 2005 at 19:12 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Virtuoso

Could that be because new players may value steel more at that level because it is harder to come by that early on in the game? And because by Droknar's most players have steel coming out their ears? No... say it ain't so...

-Virt

Yes, that and that a lot of people don't "last" 'till the higher places.