Bumping in PC and Buy forums

Murder In China

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I am confused on the rules on bumping in Price Check and Buy forums. Recently the Service forum has added the rules for Sell and High-end that you can't bump more than once in 24 hours. I have sent a PM to Inde concerning this and still as of yet received a reply back on the matter.

I checked the Ventari's rules on the matter it clearly said you can't bump more than once in 24 hours, and this applies to all forums in Ventari's sell not just the thre forums: Sell, High-end, and Service.

What are your guys' thoughts on this?

Jetdoc

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Join Date: Jul 2005

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I personally don't see a problem in bumping in the PC and Buy forums, but it doesn't really matter to me at all since I just respond to questions in those two forums.

Inde

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Join Date: Dec 2004

Wow, Murder in China, just checked back 3 pages in my PM's and you did message me on 02/05. Sorry I didn't respond, it just got lost in the chaos of my PM box. It's very hard to enforce this type of rule in those forums. Price Checks are open for discussion so this would be a very difficult rule to enforce. Also, the mods have a heavy workload in the 3 forums as it is. It requires hundreds of moderating actions a day for just those 3 forums. Adding 2 additional on top of it would mean that something has to give and right now it's pretty controled.

So yes, I would like to hear the communities thoughts, if I have to find moderators I can if this is something that people want.

Loviatar

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Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Murder In China

What are your guys' thoughts on this?
their site

their rules

done to handle the load and prevent excessive bumps

chris_nin00

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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Loviatar is basically right. 24 hour bump is to prevent excess posts.
Oh and you passed the 5000 post mark... So I guess the legend was false .

Murder in China,
The 24 hour bump rule has always been here. Maybe it wasn't enforced enough back then...

Don't whip me.

Loviatar

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Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by chris_nin00
Oh and you passed the 5000 post mark... So I guess the legend was false . NO IT IS REAL

a ghostly hand reached out of the monitor, patted me on the head and said.................

*now do it again*

Funda

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The PC forum is dynamic for sure. While I can sympathize and understand someone's grief over someone bumping an excessive amount of times within a 24 hour period, I don't see how enforcing a 24 hold on bumps would benefit the community. Price checks are, in my opinion, fluid and are subject to change, even on a daily basis. Also, some of the people who post for price checks on items are in situations where someone wants to buy an item in-game, and they'd like to know what the said item is worth (so as not to overpay or conversely, undercharge).

Some people come to get pricechecks on stuff thats been sitting in their storage for weeks or months. Others come to get a quick pc on a weapon they see in LA D1 and want to know (rather quickly) if they should snatch it up, for a good deal. So, the paramaters seem broad in that I don't think 24 hour bump rules would be the best idea there.

Having said that, the Price Check forum should'nt be some wild-west lawless forum, where rules don't apply. What I'd be in favor of, and would like to see is:

1) Limit Thread submission to 1 per 24 hours -- I've seen several times where someone has posted 3-4 threads consecutively.
2) Limit bumps to once every 3/6/12 hours. ( I would say 6 hours would be ideal* but thats just me) Even this would be rather difficult to keep track of, but if there are rules posted, most people should start to abide by them. This also allows for others to get their items appraised by the handful of PC Forum regulars who like to help out a bit.
3) This is just a personal fancy, but perhaps limiting the amount of items to be PC'ed down to around 5 or so. Sometimes.....lets just say its not un-common to see 20-30 items posted in one thread, and the person wants them ALL pc'ed.

There's always room for improvement, and while I like the current set-up of the PC forum, I wouldn't be averse to some subtle changes. For the most part, the forum runs itself pretty smooth, IMO.

Racthoh

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Join Date: May 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Funda
1) Limit Thread submission to 1 per 24 hours -- I've seen several times where someone has posted 3-4 threads consecutively.
2) Limit bumps to once every 3/6/12 hours. ( I would say 6 hours would be ideal* but thats just me) Even this would be rather difficult to keep track of, but if there are rules posted, most people should start to abide by them. This also allows for others to get their items appraised by the handful of PC Forum regulars who like to help out a bit.
3) This is just a personal fancy, but perhaps limiting the amount of items to be PC'ed down to around 5 or so. Sometimes.....lets just say its not un-common to see 20-30 items posted in one thread, and the person wants them ALL pc'ed. 1) As it stands now, you're only allowed one active thread at a time. It becomes harder to enforce this since it is obviously more difficult to point it out.

2) The problem is those who can spend excessive amounts of time on Guru, and can bump more often than something who can't get on every few hours. Even as it stands now, moderators have to look through over a hundred threads a day checking for any minor violation, sending PMs where they feel necessary.

3) Threads can always be edited to add new items, much like the one thread limit that users have should be edited when they have new items to sell rather than open a new thread.

A lot of the problems could be solved if users hit the "Report post" button that appears in every post. I get a few of those each day, when there are dozens of violations everyday. People want to help, but never seem to take the right steps in solving the problem.

Murder In China

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Almost forgot about that little red triangle d=

Funda

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Arcane Nexus [ANX]

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Also, another thing to add to the discussion -- after thinking on it some more: The PC forum is unlike the sell or high-end forum in that more than one person can have a stake in wanting to know the value of one item. For instance, if Person A posts a request for PC on a Req 9 15% Stance Shadowbow, and has yet to get a response, or if I too, am looking for a pc on the same item, I would want to bump that person's thread to the top. Why create 2 threads on the same item when you can just bump someone elses? I think that restricting the use of bumps in the PC forum could potentially hurt the process as well.

Like I stated in my previous post, there are always things that can be changed or improved, but as it is now -- I'm fine with it. Things have a way of self-governing themselves sometimes (With noted help from the mods, of course).

Just something to chew on.

Stalker Haras

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Join Date: Jul 2005

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I'd have to agree with Funda on his first post about the Bumping.

For one, 24 hours is to long for a bump, most of the time your thread that you are looking to sell stuff in or looking for a price check end up 5-8 pages back where noone looks. So you have to wait 24 hours to get it back on the first page again were people look and see it and maybe possibly get an offer/answer.

So i vote we lower the bump time in that area, it would save moderaters the time and stress of having to sift through all the threads and locating which person violated the rules on bumping.

Murder In China

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It would seem many people agree that the mods should enforce the rule of bumping for the Buy forum just like they did with Service.

Swehurn

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Here's my concern about lowering the bump time limit...

If it takes 24 hours to get your thread to page 7 or 8, what would happen if people could bump every 12 hours? Your thread would get to page 7 or 8 in 12 hours.

Okay, maybe not page 7 or 8 - there needs to be some compensation for the reduced number of "new threads" in 12 hours vs. 24 hours, but you would still probably end up on page 5 or 6 in 12 hours.

IMO, it would probably just mean that the same cycle we have now will continue, only at a faster pace.

Stalker Haras

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but you will be able to get your thread back to the main page again sooner, rather then having to wait another 12 hours after that to bump again.

Funda

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Swehurn
Here's my concern about lowering the bump time limit...

If it takes 24 hours to get your thread to page 7 or 8, what would happen if people could bump every 12 hours? Your thread would get to page 7 or 8 in 12 hours.

Okay, maybe not page 7 or 8 - there needs to be some compensation for the reduced number of "new threads" in 12 hours vs. 24 hours, but you would still probably end up on page 5 or 6 in 12 hours.

IMO, it would probably just mean that the same cycle we have now will continue, only at a faster pace.
Nah, if people aren't going to respond to a thread, theyre just not going to. Also, while I understand your logic about getting to page 7 quicker, Time is still Time. With a 12 hour bump rule, or 6 hour, you get to keep your thread up near the top and get some satisfactory responses -- and move on.

But as for the PC forum itself, I dont know if it really needs bump rules, IMO. I've been straddling the fence on this one. WHile it may help with occasional spammage and whatnot, it may end up being a case of over-moderation. I also think that it would perhaps dis-courage dialogue between the OP and the ppl responding. And its not like the behemoth that Sell Forum is, as it is just a place to get most of your stuff sold off. Clearly, I see the value of the bump rule in there. However, the PC forum is more of a exchange of ideas and opinions on the current worth of an item. This also includes a back-and-forth dialogue (at times) Again, just something to chew on.

Malice Black

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Join Date: Oct 2005

PC forum doesnt need a bumping rule imo, i spend far too much time there and rarely have a problem with excessive bumping

anyways if ya looking for a mod for PC forum i'll take it, i spend more time browsing then playing these days

service forum should have a 24hour bump rule

Racthoh

Racthoh

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Join Date: May 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
service forum should have a 24hour bump rule
Quote:
To clear up any confusion or misconceptions, this topic has been made for the services subforum of the sell forum.

Effective now (02-07-2006 at 9PM EST), all sell forum guidelines will be enforced in the services forum. This includes bumping.

If you need to reply to a poster in your topic, and your 24 hours have not yet passed, modify your original post addressing that user by name and having the response in an easy to read format.

The Sell Forum Guidelines:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...#_Toc115111684

Thanks,

Lasareth
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=118512

Been in effect for a while. I usually forget even though I think I requested it.

Malice Black

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ahh, gotta admit ive never read the rules lol maybe i should

Murder In China

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Racthoh could you request it for the Buy forum?

Lasareth

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
ahh, gotta admit ive never read the rules lol maybe i should
Never a bad idea to check them out. Helps you avoid the grey name of doom.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Murder In China
Racthoh could you request it for the Buy forum? We'll check out the possibility and decide whether ultimately it'll make things better or not

sixdartbart

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I'm not convinced that the buy or PC forums really have that big of a problem with bumps
Certainly the sell forums require them and as you already know to well there is going to be a great deal more time to enforce the same type of things for forums that simply don't have a problem with them.

One thing I have noticed is the more rules you throw in the more people you will have running around trying to act important by berating people in threads that someone may have broken a rule in and most of the time breaking the same rules they are complaining about rather than simply reporting the post that they have such a problem with.

I think some definate clarification of these rules one way or the other will cure this problem at least for those two areas anyway.

Just a thought