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coolsti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Denmark

23 Feb 2006 at 14:40 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

- however, I got my first char to LA pretty fast thanks to a free runner, but I bought my (for me at that point) very cool looking armour (which happened to be better) and zoned back to piken to LFP to do dukes daughter.

I am really curious. Why would you want to have done that, with your very first character? Is the game too hard?

Caged Fury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Hearts Of Fury [HoF]

23 Feb 2006 at 14:48 - 42

Because he wanted 'very cool looking armour' from LA?

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

23 Feb 2006 at 14:49 - 43

Okay. Here is my take.
I have 3 characters, all 3 have done ever mission with NO running and each time it was PUGs.

Running is damaging to others because when you get to Ember Light Camp, nobody wants to do anything after that. Plus, anything that is a bonus is NOT done and you end up typing "LFG for bonus" about a million times.

Running is damaging to person being run, they could have used the money and experience. From my experiences, missions give the best gold items. Plus, ascension at low levels means that you don't get the bonus exp over level 20. If you want to buy skills, you cannot because of the lack of experience (in exp points AND knowledge of what skills work together).

I am still, TO THIS Day, after 9 months of playing...experimenting with builds that suit me without incorporating the heavily used nuker/tank/battery concept as the core of my builds. I still do missions, just as a guide, not as a runner and I can tell you all people do is grab templates online. I can't tell you how many iway w/r's there are in pve, or you would die laughing.

Fenix Swiftblade

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2005

Illusion of Competence

R/W

23 Feb 2006 at 14:52 - 44

I'm surprised no one has brought up the possibility of all the current runners going over to Factions and running people there. If you are in fact able to bring a Prophecies Campaign character to Cantha, there will be a huge rush of rushers, and it will be extremely hard to get a non-running PUG together...

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

23 Feb 2006 at 14:53 - 45

ANet is still formed up of humans. They wouldn't ban all forms of running. Scammers are the ones who are banned. And today's society, there are many of such. Meaning many bans. I do not mind running if someone is on their fourth PvE character or something. I DO mind when I see lvl 8 newbies hiring people to run them to drok's. That messes up the very balance of nature.

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

23 Feb 2006 at 15:00 - 46

Unless they changed the Player-Anet agreement stating the terms of bans or Running broke the rules all along. This isn't jucticified action.

P.S. Wait do you mean anyone running for money (which isn't justiciftied) or peopel involved in scams (which is).

Raz Silverwing

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Questionable Knights [QK]

23 Feb 2006 at 15:16 - 47

I don't care if they are or not, I quit running for cash a long time ago because of the scammers, but if they're making it harder Good Job a-net I like a challange when running.

Juicey Shake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

CA

in it for the trimmmm

R/

23 Feb 2006 at 15:17 - 48

Running is good, saves time for theintelligent player, blah blah, you get suspended[not banned] for scamming on runs, not doing runs.

I know as soon as faction's comes, I'm grabbing my ranger, holy veiling it up, going to /A, buying 'Dash', and chaining escape, dash and dodge until I reach the end of the world. And I'll bring any of my friends with me, if they need!

Morangen

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mountain West

Xen of Onslaught[XoO]

Mo/W

23 Feb 2006 at 15:19 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenix

I'm surprised no one has brought up the possibility of all the current runners going over to Factions and running people there. If you are in fact able to bring a Prophecies Campaign character to Cantha, there will be a huge rush of rushers, and it will be extremely hard to get a non-running PUG together...

This is really the only problem I have with running. Because this is a game, I think that people can do whatever they want within the rules of the game. If people want to spend their time running or farming, we should let them... to a point.

Lately I have been trying to get my other two characters through some of the missions and quests, and I have found it extremelly hard to find groups unless you are willing to wait in the town / outpost for 30+ minutes. In some areas, the only groups being formed were going to run through the mission.

Of course people can always use henchmen or guildmates, but not everyone is part of a guild (or one that could do lots of missions), and not everyone likes henchmen. I could easily see a fairly new player get frustrated because he is stuck at a certain mission and cant get a group.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

23 Feb 2006 at 15:32 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

Running is good, saves time for theintelligent player

Just checking, that was a joke, right?

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

23 Feb 2006 at 15:35 - 51

He Who Spreads Rumors Without Bothering To Check Is A.......fill In Explective Deleted.

Note

anything That Is Changed That Will Affect An Account Is Posted In At Least 2 Official Spots .

1 There Is No Warning Except The Keylogger,dont Download Anything On The Log In Screen Announcements

2 There Is Nothing Posted In News, Updates, Or Announcements On The Gw Site

Side Note They Have Officially Come Down That Running Is Legal, Expected, And They Have No Objection To It.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

23 Feb 2006 at 15:38 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gli

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

Running is good, saves time for theintelligent player

Just checking, that was a joke, right?

I don't see why it would be. It's an enormous timesaver for people who are on their eighth character and just want to have a fully leveled Ranger they can do things with (i.e. me).

Edit: Also of note is that the ONLY PERSON IN THIS THREAD who is convinced of these rumors is the thread starter himself.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

23 Feb 2006 at 15:50 - 53

I don't see how intelligence plays any part in it.

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

23 Feb 2006 at 15:52 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

I wish that was true unfortunately I've talked to many ppl from different towns and they say they know its true and won't run anymore.

Woot Woot

Now I have less compotitions for my runs. They cannot ban you for running. Its no where in the end user agreement that you cannot run someone to another town. As others have stated they probly scammed someone and got reported. Droks run is the most scammed run because they take your payment at snakes then leave. Now you have to go back to beacons and do the same thing over again. This keeps the market on going and makes them tons of gold for doing about 1/4 of the work.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

23 Feb 2006 at 15:55 - 55

It would be very bad for business if A-Net banned honest runner just for running people around. If they're cracking down on scammers, great! If they really wanted to put an end to running, the first thing they would do is block off the Drok's run. Until they do that, I wouldn't buy into all the "A-Net is anti-running" stuff.

As for running someone who's on their 2nd or 3rd character, it still hurts the person because they're not getting the experience of playing that new profession and learning the different skills of that profession.

Swehurn

1,787,569

Join Date: Jul 2005

BC, Canada

23 Feb 2006 at 15:57 - 56

Personally, I won't believe it until I see the announcement from ANet.

They've stated very clearly that they have nothing against a solo runner being able to travel through/past all the mobs in high-level areas. There is nothing wrong with being able to run solo through the exact same areas they don't want you farming solo.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

23 Feb 2006 at 16:11 - 57

I'm in Beacon's Perch at the moment, and chat is full of runners advertising. I'd have to say that it hasn't been banned.

Reply to post #26: Just soloed ettins this morning and they didn't seem to be any more difficult.

Zaxan Razor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Organised Spam [OS]

W/

23 Feb 2006 at 16:24 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cador

Are you bloody serious????????? I mean come on. Most low levels who want to be run get run to amnoon HAVE to do the three missions or get run through those then get ascended and have a chance to cap skills out of rankor or droks. or the three ascension missions, and guess what MOST do.

Heres a tidbit for you MOST people who get run are on thier second character having beaten the game with first or gotten significantly far with gameplay through missoins.

When i made my ranger i had him run all over the place cause i did not want to go through all the missions again i found them boring and monotonous. i prefer SF farming and now TOPK farming.

Please think before you post because that really was an insult to runners myself being one.

I am thinking about the runner here, btw, i used to do it

dont assume stuff and believe it as fact.

You made a point for me here too..you can get run thru the missions. Point is, a low level can see the runners in a low level area, then farm until they have enough to get run to one part and so on and an so forth. It happens, as someone who posted pointed out that their FIRST character was run part way thru the game.

I know most people that get run are on their second/third/fourth character, how does this contradict what i said? Some of these people, being on their second and upwards character, will try and scam the runner, which is one of the points i made.

Runners that are honest get scammed a lot, i stopped doing it because it would happen almost every other run.

boxterduke

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Walking the ruins of Ascalon

DVDF

Me/

23 Feb 2006 at 16:32 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

I have an update. They are not banning running as much as they are banning those who charge. Too much scamming is affiliated with it. I just talked to someone who got warned in greenish-yellow letters. This is freaking me out because i made a living off of running

If you make a living of running then why are you looking for a runner?
I'm sure you can find a way to run yourself.

Reiver Fluffi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Bo'ness, Scotland

Border Reivers [BORE]

N/W

23 Feb 2006 at 17:03 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morangen

I could easily see a fairly new player get frustrated because he is stuck at a certain mission and cant get a group.

So true!

I spent the week making my way from Anmoon Oasis to Droknars (playing the game), this should have only taken me a couple of sessions at the most, it took seven or so!

Why?

Well often in either augary/dragons lair you had to wait for at least 30 mins to pick up a group, once you finally picked up a group, it took about 10 mins into the mission to realise that your group stinks, back to outpost! For example at the dragons lair, with one facet to go, for some reason the team decides to split up and we get mauled, despite me drawing a path, calling the target, and asking everyone to keep within party! Okay, i'm new to this, with little patience I would walk away from the game completely, why, because of runners!

Runners promote a two tier system, newbies and elites, while many impatient newbies (trust me, they are a majority) ask for runs, flooding high level areas with inexperienced players who only care about ascension, or getting max armour from droks! This ruins it for others as PUG's tend to be quite poor later on, getting a good one is a lottery. This keeps the elitists safe by forcing a skills gap between new players and experienced players! IMHO there is no need for a passage from Beacons to droks, people should get to droks through skill, and can easily map to locations there after! For those that use the "but it's my second character, I don't need to do missions again" arguement, I ask you what exactly are you learning about your new character by running. You potentially are missing out in any developments and changes to AI, mission difficulty that may add to your experience! There's only one word to describe those that believe they know everythg, arrogant!. Remember GW is meant to be a co-operative game, teamwork, i'm sure somebody helped you once, return the favour instead of pursuing your own self interests, you never know you might make another friend!

calamitykell

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

N.Y.C.

23 Feb 2006 at 17:09 - 61

This can't be true. ANet said in an interview that they intentionally made the run possible, so that players weren't FORCED to play through the whole storyline if they didn't want to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reiver Fluffi

For those that use the "but it's my second character, I don't need to do missions again" arguement, I ask you what exactly are you learning about your new character by running. You potentially are missing out in any developments and changes to AI, mission difficulty that may add to your experience!

Who are you to tell me that I have to play through the game on every character? I played through it twice. If I want to get run, I'll buy a run. Trust me, it doesn't affect you since I hench anything I do, since 99% of the players are retarded, including those who never get runs. Don't think that simply doing all your missions and getting those swords through the shields makes you a better player, it doesn't.

Esprit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dvd Forums [DVDF]

E/

23 Feb 2006 at 17:16 - 62

On your way to work please stop by the Rumor Mill to spread the word.

Just because a bunch of people in different towns have said, won't make it true.

Someone probably just started the rumor and it spread like wildfire as the running services can be somewhat shady if you don't find the right person.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

23 Feb 2006 at 17:22 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reiver Fluffi

Remember GW is meant to be a co-operative game, teamwork, i'm sure somebody helped you once, return the favour instead of pursuing your own self interests, you never know you might make another friend!

They're helping me get to where I want to go.

I'm helping them by giving them money.

Cooperation!

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

23 Feb 2006 at 17:24 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by calamitykell

Don't think that simply doing all your missions and getting those swords through the shields makes you a better player, it doesn't.

Playing elementalist is nothing like playing warrior or necromancer. So that disproves your statement. You get a better knowledge of your new profession by playing using it.

Valdaran Longfoot

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Colorado, US

Furious Dragons Reign [FDR]

W/

23 Feb 2006 at 17:25 - 65

I have heard nothing of banned runners, except those who scam by saying "Pay halfway" then leave after payment.

And don't bother asking them if they were a legit runner and got banned, there is no way to proove they didn't scam people.

Out of the runners I know as friends, none has been banned or suspened. Most use running as their only income.

Reiver Fluffi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Bo'ness, Scotland

Border Reivers [BORE]

N/W

23 Feb 2006 at 17:31 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by calamitykell

Who are you to tell me that I have to play through the game on every character? I played through it twice. If I want to get run, I'll buy a run. Trust me, it doesn't affect you since I hench anything I do, since 99% of the players are retarded, including those who never get runs. Don't think that simply doing all your missions and getting those swords through the shields makes you a better player, it doesn't.

There, you just proved my elitist arguement, thanks!

Reiver Fluffi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Bo'ness, Scotland

Border Reivers [BORE]

N/W

23 Feb 2006 at 17:33 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

They're helping me get to where I want to go.

I'm helping them by giving them money.

Cooperation!

All I can say to you is as much as your answer tries to be smart, it misses the point, ergo it wasn't smart, really!

Shamus Sureblade

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Beantown

W/

23 Feb 2006 at 17:34 - 68

Just to put an end to this, here is a link from the Guild Wars homepage for Fansite Friday interview #56, 8/26/05 with GameAmp. In it Gaile and other Dev's say that they allowed for running when making the game.
http://guildwars.gameamp.com/guildwars/gwInterview

Reiver Fluffi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Bo'ness, Scotland

Border Reivers [BORE]

N/W

23 Feb 2006 at 17:41 - 69

http://guildwars.gameamp.com/guildwars/gwInterview

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Wars

In other words, to the extent that a practice like "running" or taking a shortcut might negatively affect other players, we'll be taking a look at it very carefully. If there's a lot of abuse of lower-level characters (those who are playing through the missions) by those who are taking the shortcut, we'll address it. I note that we did not choose to address the matter with last night's major game update, and I believe that is because the possible problems are not evident to such a degree that we need to make an amendment. But I just spoke with Lead Designer James Phinney, and he assured me that we will continue to assess the situation and we will come up with solutions if the scales tip towards the negative.

Would be interesting if someone from a.net could comment on whether this promise still holds true, especially considering the sorry state of affairs in the crystal desert right now!

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

23 Feb 2006 at 17:50 - 70

Quote:

In other words, to the extent that a practice like "running" or taking a shortcut might negatively affect other players, we'll be taking a look at it very carefully. If there's a lot of abuse of lower-level characters (those who are playing through the missions) by those who are taking the shortcut, we'll address it. I note that we did not choose to address the matter with last night's major game update, and I believe that is because the possible problems are not evident to such a degree that we need to make an amendment. But I just spoke with Lead Designer James Phinney, and he assured me that we will continue to assess the situation and we will come up with solutions if the scales tip towards the negative.!

Weasel words that don't commit to any action. The first time I was aware of problems or inbalance caused by runners was low levels being run to Drok's for armor so they could own in Ascalon arena. The problem was beat to death in the forums and nothing ever came of it. I don't think there will be anything done to change this situation now.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

23 Feb 2006 at 17:51 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reiver Fluffi

sorry state of affairs in the crystal desert right now!

?

It's not like the desert is particularly difficult or anything. You can hench all three missions at level 5 without too much difficulty.

Falcon213

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

23 Feb 2006 at 19:11 - 72

The thing that I don't like about running is that it is actually pretty much required for new players without a guild to get run around the desert, even through one or two of the ascencion missions just because it is impossible to find a group.

If I were a first time player, and had to spend 3k for a desert run, I think I would quit.

Ira Blinks

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

23 Feb 2006 at 19:14 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon213

The thing that I don't like about running is that it is actually pretty much required for new players without a guild to get run around the desert, even through one or two of the ascencion missions just because it is impossible to find a group.

If I were a first time player, and had to spend 3k for a desert run, I think I would quit.

henchmen _do_ work.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

23 Feb 2006 at 19:23 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

I just talked to someone who got warned in greenish-yellow letters.

I just got a greenish-yellow message appear on my computer.

It said...

"You are being warned that a friend of a friend of a friend's roomate of his half-brother just told KurtTheBehemoth that another person just got a message in greenish-yellow letters that says that A-Net is banning people for running."

This is really freaking me out.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

23 Feb 2006 at 19:27 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetdoc

I just got a greenish-yellow message appear on my computer.

It said...

"You are being warned that a friend of a friend of a friend's roomate of his half-brother just told KurtTheBehemoth that another person just got a message in greenish-yellow letters that says that A-Net is banning people for running."

This is really freaking me out.

OMG you wont believe this but i just saw the same thing on a forum so that is 2 (THAT WE KNOW OF

) identical reports

Arturo02

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

See that third planet from the sun?

Sacred Forge Knights

R/Me

23 Feb 2006 at 19:38 - 76

don't forget, when you are on your second and third chars, you are not simply going through each mission a second or third time, it may be 4, 5, maybe a dozen times if you failed before.

Most of the missions in the game I have done about 15-20 times, exception being the last six missions. You help out your friends, guildmates, etc. You end up doing them a lot. Why do I want to not be run at that point?

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

23 Feb 2006 at 20:03 - 77

Why lost time making the same boring quests? Bring back ash of someone daughter back? Give a breack! I make all the way with my ele, enjoy the game... and now repeat all the way with another player? Well with my ranger i make all the way fasttt, and a first of all a fast run to forge to get a new armor... with my warrior i make the fastest run i can 15 min in pre, 2 days to get all free quests skils, and some days to cap all i can and a weak to get points to buy or cap the rest...
If someone like to repeat, and repeat the same boring quests have troubles at home... let the runners live, they are good to skip boring... if someone newbie whant to skip skills, rewards... well he is a newbie

Long live to boring killer...
P.S I remenber the way to iron mines 3 hours killing everything at way to get exp and clean path... so fun i enjoy it... but twice? Forget!

SilentAssassin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

Remnants of Ascalon, KT alliance

R/N

23 Feb 2006 at 20:19 - 78

well actually, kurtthebehemoth only makes stupid posts, thats my opinion

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

23 Feb 2006 at 20:25 - 79

There's one thing I completely fail to understand when people say they don't want to do the same quests, missions, etc. they did with an earlier character. Everything AFTER the point you get run to is also the same for every character, why do you play at all?

Really, this isn't me trying to be a smartass, I'm completely serious.

Solange

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kings Army of Surmia [KAOS]

23 Feb 2006 at 20:29 - 80

i doubt that ANET would ban people for running

THeres more to the story than what these people are saying, there has to be something involved with one side scamming the other or they wouldn't have banned.

ANET does have the logs of everything that happens so It'd be great if they just showed that to everyone to prove their reason for banning.