people like this deserves to be shot
moriz
bongo-666
or just a moron wich thinks this is funny
fiery
Well technically think about it, no monk lesser chance to succeed. Many come in there with Levels less than 20 and people tend to leave. If the leaver knows its not the best of groups they also leave.
ColaManiac
yes... we should stop thease people who don't bring res signet to RA... ^^
Diablo???
They should penalize leaving a match like that. Like reduced factions....
Tarkin
M/N... a maybe a defrag noob...
LifeInfusion
How do you know they didnt disconnect?
Diablo???
that'd be an awfully convenient excuse, lol.
Mysterial
I used to care, but frankly, between questionable game design decisions (totally random and unbalanced teams, allowing low level players to play there), idiots/newbies (yay, another team that ignores the enemy monk to attack a warrior instead!), and just plain griefers, I've given up trying to hold the high ground here and have become like everybody else: leave and rejoin repeatedly until you get a team that looks like it might have a chance.
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yes... we should stop thease people who don't bring res signet to RA... ^^
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KvanCetre
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I used to care, but frankly, between questionable game design decisions (totally random and unbalanced teams, allowing low level players to play there), idiots/newbies (yay, another team that ignores the enemy monk to attack a warrior instead!), and just plain griefers, I've given up trying to hold the high ground here and have become like everybody else: leave and rejoin repeatedly until you get a team that looks like it might have a chance.
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In fact, we made it through 3 or 4 teams in team arena combat too before we finally got our butts kicked...
Another unlikely team that we went far with was the 3 monk, 1 warrior team. Because we had three monks who all could play well, we just couldn't die. I, as the hammer warrior, managed to take out a few low-armor enemies(including a few monks) but usually the other team would just start to drop in frustration... eventually one of our monks dropped (round 8ish) and we got a hammer ranger. Went up to round 17 before being taken out by a team with a healer and bonder(Match went 20 minutes, though).
thunderpower
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I used to care, but frankly, between questionable game design decisions (totally random and unbalanced teams, allowing low level players to play there), idiots/newbies (yay, another team that ignores the enemy monk to attack a warrior instead!), and just plain griefers, I've given up trying to hold the high ground here and have become like everybody else: leave and rejoin repeatedly until you get a team that looks like it might have a chance.
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Falcon213
Ok.. now I know to leave whenever I see Lotus Moriz since he doesn't have a res sig.
sun is in us
My standard whisper to these people anymore is "So you don't have any B**** eh? (This is conceptual and not literal for all the females out there 
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Cowards through and through....either that or idiots (griefers, people that waste my time).
I have had many, many, many 15+ streaks in RA with no monks. Just like people don't understand that an interupt is most always superior to a heal (poor unloved Mesmers) and that a good offense can be superior to a defense, the leavers I believe are just not very good PVP players period.
)Cowards through and through....either that or idiots (griefers, people that waste my time).
I have had many, many, many 15+ streaks in RA with no monks. Just like people don't understand that an interupt is most always superior to a heal (poor unloved Mesmers) and that a good offense can be superior to a defense, the leavers I believe are just not very good PVP players period.
Mysterial
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uh... the monk first syndrome. Actually killing monk first ain't such a good solution in many cases. Every team should kill/dp the guy that represents major threat to the team, you should be able to figure out who that is.
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Go to Team Arena then. You don't NEED a monk to win - I've got to the ten win limit with a group of 3 warriors and a ranger!
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Nevertheless, you can't deny that random arenas would be more fun if the random team selection was a little more intelligent. Not asking for miracles here, not even a healer on every team... just something that rejected clearly ridiculous combos, like four healer monks.
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uh... the monk first syndrome. Actually killing monk first ain't such a good solution in many cases. Every team should kill/dp the guy that represents major threat to the team, you should be able to figure out who that is.
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you can't with a PUG group (not talking about a teamgroup, only random arenas)
moriz
that was a mesmer/necro, not a monk. anyways, it's either a bot or just a griefer, since he said the same message every time, and left at pretty much the same time (right after the gate opens).
since i'm still playing around with my build, i'm not going to bring rez unless i figure out a skill that can be left behind. so far, i haven't found it yet. everything i put into my skillbar is useful. and anyways, the 5 second chargeup just screams "interrupt me! please!" so i often just not bring it.
since i'm still playing around with my build, i'm not going to bring rez unless i figure out a skill that can be left behind. so far, i haven't found it yet. everything i put into my skillbar is useful. and anyways, the 5 second chargeup just screams "interrupt me! please!" so i often just not bring it.
thunderpower
regarding the comment to the monk syndrome: silent assasin has a point. RA is usually the place where this syndrome is manisfested by many players and usually it's a good choice. The sad thing is that some of the RA players manifest this syndrome in HA.
I thik you don't realise the importance of a rez Sig. If i could i'd bring 4 rez signets in HA (not always, but sometimes it would help alot).
In RA i think it's imperative for every1 to have. If some1 dies and the opposing team has an interruptor than at least 2 people should use rez at the same time. If more than one interrupt guy is present, than every1 should use rez to increase the chance of a succeful rez.
You said all your skills are useful and there is no place for rez signet. Think again. In TA or even in RA if you can't beat the other team using only 7 skills + rez you wont beat them with 8 skills (without rez). You might take this as fact. Sure, in some cases that tiny little skill you got instead of rez might save the day, but what are the chances for that to happen?
Yet again, what is more important? Your one extra skill or the 7 (maybe 8) extra skills your dead friend has? Just do the math! IMO no rez = 1 more skill and rez = 7 or 8 extra skills.
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In RA i think it's imperative for every1 to have. If some1 dies and the opposing team has an interruptor than at least 2 people should use rez at the same time. If more than one interrupt guy is present, than every1 should use rez to increase the chance of a succeful rez.
You said all your skills are useful and there is no place for rez signet. Think again. In TA or even in RA if you can't beat the other team using only 7 skills + rez you wont beat them with 8 skills (without rez). You might take this as fact. Sure, in some cases that tiny little skill you got instead of rez might save the day, but what are the chances for that to happen?
Yet again, what is more important? Your one extra skill or the 7 (maybe 8) extra skills your dead friend has? Just do the math! IMO no rez = 1 more skill and rez = 7 or 8 extra skills.
Stranger The Ranger
Interviewing the people in RA:
Me:Hi Necro, what do you do?
Necro: Uh, the only Elites I use are SS and Life Transfer, I'm original huh? I'm also a great MM
Me:Hi Monk, what do you do?
Monk:I hide behind walls and spam Rof
Me:Hi Warrior, what do you do?
Warrior: MENDING POWER FTW!!!!1111oneoneoneeleve I'm using Restore Life! I'm using Frenzy while I'm under attack! YAAAAAA!!!
Me:Hi Ele, what do you do?
Ele:I use fire so I get totally owned by Interupters, I always flame in general chat if they do that
Me:Hi Ranger, what do you do?
I trap and use Storm Chaser to get away
Me:Hi Mesmer, what do you do?
Nothing, I'm always the target and get owned by those Frenzy Wammo's. Hey, thats why we need fast casting, so we can at least cast 1 or 2 spells per battle
Welcome to RA >_>
This would've been my sig if we could have 1:
Me:Hi Necro, what do you do?
Necro: Uh, the only Elites I use are SS and Life Transfer, I'm original huh? I'm also a great MM
Me:Hi Monk, what do you do?
Monk:I hide behind walls and spam Rof
Me:Hi Warrior, what do you do?
Warrior: MENDING POWER FTW!!!!1111oneoneoneeleve I'm using Restore Life! I'm using Frenzy while I'm under attack! YAAAAAA!!!
Me:Hi Ele, what do you do?
Ele:I use fire so I get totally owned by Interupters, I always flame in general chat if they do that
Me:Hi Ranger, what do you do?
I trap and use Storm Chaser to get away
Me:Hi Mesmer, what do you do?
Nothing, I'm always the target and get owned by those Frenzy Wammo's. Hey, thats why we need fast casting, so we can at least cast 1 or 2 spells per battle
Welcome to RA >_>
This would've been my sig if we could have 1:
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MadOnion
Oddly enough, whenever I meet someone who I know is a good player (because I know their names from forums), or I see they're from a high guild, they are usually the ones to rush in (often citing boredom) and seem to leave if the team doesn't have a monk. In fact, there is one regular poster here who I got in a game with, and as soon as we started to lose (one death), he left. I won't mention his name though.
moriz
i'm going to add rez signet after i manage to unlock either punishing shot or crippling shot. basically, i'll take out poison arrow and either distracting shot or pin down, and add in the new elite and rez signet.
Capitan Del Queso
I hate it when people automatically leave a random group when there's no monk. I have had many succesful random arena groups with no monks in them. I even went almost 30 rounds in a row with a team of me as a ranger interrupter, two leech necros, and a non-mending wammo. Getting moved to team arena didn't shake us at all, and we went on a long ways on our win streak until we finally lost to a very well-planned team.
Lady Lozza
lol, monks are not needed in RA, I remember one time when we had three monks and a ranger in RA, the other team was 3 warriors and a ranger.
Our ranger left almost immediately because there was "no dmg" and "we couldn't possibly win". Two of the other teams warriors left at the ten minute mark because they couldn't kill us. Then one of our monks left because it was going no where. Their ranger left soon after. Finally at the 15 minute mark the other monk quit leaving me and the other warrior.
W/Mo: Let me kill you.
Me: Why?
W/Mo: Because I am a warrior.
Me: That is a reason?
W/Mo: You are a monk, you do no damage.
Me: I don't see you doing me any damage either.
W/Mo: You heal.
Me: No actually I prot there is a difference.
W/Mo: You prot in RA - OMFG u noob.
Me: Still not dead.
W/Mo: I deserve to win, only noobs prot in RA.
Me: *blink*
After about five minutes of flaming me, telling me what a bad monk I must be, said warrior quit. I've had similar things happen in RA before where ppl quit and it just becomes impossible to actually get an outcome. If the warrior had suggested rolling dice or paper/scissors/rock for who gets to die I might have volunteered, but flaming me to try to get me to quit or give it isn't going to do it.
But yeah quitters in RA even TA suck. Obviiously they take the game way too seriously. It doesn't matter that my avatars have died heaps. It isn't like it actually effects my game/inventory or anything else.
Our ranger left almost immediately because there was "no dmg" and "we couldn't possibly win". Two of the other teams warriors left at the ten minute mark because they couldn't kill us. Then one of our monks left because it was going no where. Their ranger left soon after. Finally at the 15 minute mark the other monk quit leaving me and the other warrior.
W/Mo: Let me kill you.
Me: Why?
W/Mo: Because I am a warrior.
Me: That is a reason?
W/Mo: You are a monk, you do no damage.
Me: I don't see you doing me any damage either.
W/Mo: You heal.
Me: No actually I prot there is a difference.
W/Mo: You prot in RA - OMFG u noob.
Me: Still not dead.
W/Mo: I deserve to win, only noobs prot in RA.
Me: *blink*
After about five minutes of flaming me, telling me what a bad monk I must be, said warrior quit. I've had similar things happen in RA before where ppl quit and it just becomes impossible to actually get an outcome. If the warrior had suggested rolling dice or paper/scissors/rock for who gets to die I might have volunteered, but flaming me to try to get me to quit or give it isn't going to do it.
But yeah quitters in RA even TA suck. Obviiously they take the game way too seriously. It doesn't matter that my avatars have died heaps. It isn't like it actually effects my game/inventory or anything else.
Spenser_For_Hire
i used to try to convince people who use mending, IW, fire eles, life transfer, smite monks, melee monks, melee necros, that their particular build is less then usefull in arenas, and maybe even in RP. im all for creativity in builds used in RA/TA but dont use builds that have been proven to be really really bad, so now i am boycotting these people, talking to the people who dont want to learn is as useless as mending, drastic times call for desperate measures
back to the OP, he has the right to leave if he wants to, nothing is keeping him from leaving if he wants to, and someone who didnt bring a res sig doesnt deserve to bash someone for leaving
back to the OP, he has the right to leave if he wants to, nothing is keeping him from leaving if he wants to, and someone who didnt bring a res sig doesnt deserve to bash someone for leaving
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Yes you do have to get the monk first... its a basic principle wich is needed for random arenas, or do you think you can kill som1 while a monk is healing him?
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that was a mesmer/necro, not a monk. anyways, it's either a bot or just a griefer, since he said the same message every time, and left at pretty much the same time (right after the gate opens).
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He usually said something ridiculous, like: "my house just caught on fire, I have to go" "my brother keeps disconnecting my net" "OMG - someone just shot out my living room window in a driveby" "my house was just struck by lighting"
When I called him on it via PM, he denied it, then said that his brother really was disconnecting his net, then denied that he ever said that, or even was in random arenas. I took many screen shots and reported... not that reporting him would do anything.
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Go to Team Arena then. You don't NEED a monk to win - I've got to the ten win limit with a group of 3 warriors and a ranger!
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Is the limit just in random arenas? I was in the Ascalon arena.
Numa Pompilius
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(yay, another team that ignores the enemy monk to attack a warrior instead!)
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A lot of the rubbish thrown around in this thread is obviously gvg & team players who don't understand random arena at all. You guys are obviously used to being carried by 3 monks and a necro.
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Blaarg
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There's a ten win limit? I've gotten 40.
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Numa Pompilius
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There's a ten win limit? I've gotten 40.
Is the limit just in random arenas? I was in the Ascalon arena. |
Mysterial
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Actually killing the monk first is often a BAD tactic in random arena. You always take the weakest enemy first, and the monk usually isn't. Always attacking the monk first isn't just a good way to lose, it's often a good way of not getting any kills at all.
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Oh, please. You know I meant things like your team of Mending Warriors who can't outdamage a fly trying to hack at a warrior who's got a monk lazily throwing spells at him. Yeah, if you've got a miracle team that can manage to suppress a monk and attack someone else, you can do that, but the vast majority of the time you're lucky if your team has enough damage output to beat a monk at all.
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Numa Pompilius
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If you can't be bothered to read, go someplace else.
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The thing with monks is that they do little damage, and that's why in random arena it's better to focus on the weakest enemy and take it out first. Have someone annoy the monk a little, and that mesmer who'd otherwise have pwnt your casters is an easy kill.
And mending is a decent skill in random arena, as you're quite unlikely to have anyone healing you, as a warrior you don't have enough energy to heal yourself, and your main problem will be degen, not spike. Healing signet? Yeah, if only it didn't get interrupted, and if only you didn't take as much damage using it as you get from it.
Even more amusing is when people _complain that wamos with mending and healing touch/breeze are too hard to kill_ because, of course, noone brings unsexy skills like enchant removal.
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LouAl
I hate griefers/leavers. I had a team a while ago that had two rounds in a row with a leaver. No one wanted to group up with 2 mesmers and a necro. When, on the 3rd round we finally got someone who stayed (guess what it was another mesmer) we got even better and completed 13 or 14 rounds. I think it was tough for the other teams to pick a target (so few ppl in RA follow the called target).
I am not sure about the whole attack monk first (and yes I did read all the posts). When I take my Mes to th RA he is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS attacked first. It seems to me that only really bad players don't attack me first.
For me, it depends on my setup who I attack first. I usually go for who ever is causing the most pain to our team...
Oh yeah, Numa, you better watch out if you see Obi Lou coming your way in the RA. I'll shatter that mend and then interupt you putting it back up (I'll even backfire you if you try too many times). j/k
(actually I probably would do that)
I am not sure about the whole attack monk first (and yes I did read all the posts). When I take my Mes to th RA he is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS attacked first. It seems to me that only really bad players don't attack me first.
For me, it depends on my setup who I attack first. I usually go for who ever is causing the most pain to our team...
Oh yeah, Numa, you better watch out if you see Obi Lou coming your way in the RA. I'll shatter that mend and then interupt you putting it back up (I'll even backfire you if you try too many times). j/k
(actually I probably would do that
Divinus Stella
Looking at your ranger build id also say you need to be shot,
run round in circles crippling people until everyone leaves build :P
run round in circles crippling people until everyone leaves build :P
The Real Roy Keane
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Even more amusing is when people _complain that wamos with mending and healing touch/breeze are too hard to kill_ because, of course, noone brings unsexy skills like enchant removal.
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Looking at your ranger build id also say you need to be shot,
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anyways, the build i'm using is actually modified from the IVEX trapper the game comes with. i don't have enough skills unlocked to make a good interrupter yet (most notably oath shot and concussion shot). if you think lack of playing hours and lack of skills unlocked is a reason to be shot, then go ahead and shoot me.
TMWNN
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A lot of the rubbish thrown around in this thread is obviously gvg & team players who don't understand random arena at all. You guys are obviously used to being carried by 3 monks and a necro.
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Perhaps if these people had a clue they'd realise that 90% of people that do well in GvG/HA have also played extensively in RA/TA and they certainly don't need the pretentious attitude from the so called RA "expert" (LOL).
Numa Pompilius
Yeah, because having played a lot of IWAY or Ranger spike or in an organized GvG team with three monks sure proves you'll be good in RA.
I'm not saying there's deep tactics in RA, I'm saying playing like you would in GvG or other organized battles doesn't work. I'm saying that RA is DIFFERENT than TA/HoH/GvG. And specifically that "everyone attack the monk first" is often a really really bad tactic, because the monks in RA are usually specced for defence and takes a lot of killing, and while you kill him you've got three damage-dealing enemies running completely unchecked.
This inflexibility is also why people drop out of matches. They're used from HoH/TA to have a certain team build, their build doesn't stand on its own, and they simply don't function if they happen to spawn with three wars or two mesmers and a necro. So they drop, complaining about 'noobs' who bring 'worthless' builds.
So it's not about deep tactics, it's about the LACK of deep tactics. Pretty much any skill except Otyughs Cry can be useful in RA, because it's so chaotic and unplanned.
I'm not saying there's deep tactics in RA, I'm saying playing like you would in GvG or other organized battles doesn't work. I'm saying that RA is DIFFERENT than TA/HoH/GvG. And specifically that "everyone attack the monk first" is often a really really bad tactic, because the monks in RA are usually specced for defence and takes a lot of killing, and while you kill him you've got three damage-dealing enemies running completely unchecked.
This inflexibility is also why people drop out of matches. They're used from HoH/TA to have a certain team build, their build doesn't stand on its own, and they simply don't function if they happen to spawn with three wars or two mesmers and a necro. So they drop, complaining about 'noobs' who bring 'worthless' builds.
So it's not about deep tactics, it's about the LACK of deep tactics. Pretty much any skill except Otyughs Cry can be useful in RA, because it's so chaotic and unplanned.
VGJustice
I've found it's usually a good idea to at least do a damage test on a mesmer before attacking the monks. Why? Mesmers are by far softer targets, and they will absolutely own you if they're interupters. If the monk isn't very good, or the Mes is a little too soft, you can get an easy and quick kill.
On the other hand, most of my RA experiences are wammos C+Spacing their way through the mobs, depending on Mending to make them invincable. I just wish I could get through to them sometimes -_-;;
To the OP: Your Ranger's build looks like a griefer build. Where's your Res sig? No offense, but it looks like it's just there to be annoying.
On the other hand, most of my RA experiences are wammos C+Spacing their way through the mobs, depending on Mending to make them invincable. I just wish I could get through to them sometimes -_-;;
To the OP: Your Ranger's build looks like a griefer build. Where's your Res sig? No offense, but it looks like it's just there to be annoying.
TMWNN
Read this part again.
And suggesting that anyone who has who has decent rank got if from IWAY or ranger spike just makes you look like a jealous wannabe. Many players (myself included) got thier rank without either of these builds, and amusingly both IWAY and particulaly R-spike require alot more skill for sucess than winning in RA.
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Perhaps if these people had a clue they'd realise that 90% of people that do well in GvG/HA have also played extensively in RA/TA.
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