Drop Rates

Stur

Stur

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Athens Georgia

Outlaws of Ascalon

E/Mo

OK A-NET lesson up. I'm not one of those people wanting everything handed to me as far as skills and stuff but I think you guys have been hanging out with the Lineage 2 team to much over there at NC Soft. Up the drops for petes sake, making item upgrades so hard to find is just pointless, I'm 14th level and have made it to lions Arch and I've only gotten a couple of runes, things should drop as I travel around, exploring, enhancing my gaming experience. This is NOT L2 A-NET, I should not have to farm!

Ok rant off, have a nice day

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

Would make everything more common, lowering the price of everything, increasing "WTS/WTB rune X" spam, and just upset a lot of people... but you must understand rare item drops become more common as you move into increasing hard areas.

Imorine

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

the drop rates are set up so that before u hit the desert you will get just enough to buy all your armor and a better weapon. at the desert (lv 16+) you will notice a massive increase on upgrade item drops. after the desert they will start to annoy u. also after riverside u should definatly get 1 rare or purple drop per mission (maby not u but party at least).

Chev of Hardass

Chev of Hardass

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

Under a rock

zP

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For the last patch there was supposed to be an increase in drops. There was none. For the last mission, I got 1 purple Titan Armor. In that purple Titan Armor was 1 minor rune of sould reaping. I have three of those now. Why, on the LAST mission of the game, do I get minor runes?

I have only unlocked one superior rune. That was a Superior Rune of Death Magic, which I do not use and the Armor salvaged into Taned Hides.

The game has become a grind looking for Runes, Weapons, and crafting items. Unfortunately there are no good places to farm, except for money.

Someone confirm this.

Vangor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

I've never personally unlocked a superior rune, and have continued to get numerous weak runes, however, I've noticed an increase, and am not complaining. Many people unlock major runes almost every run, and I can only imagine what the few reservists unlock who aren't shouting it out.

Granted I would like to see a tendency towards unlocking more useful and currently locked items, as well as salvaging and pick ups of those more useful items. This way, I'm not picking up a rare staff with +energy +health and someone isn't getting a rare axe, or I am actually getting items with iron and steel yields instead of a mass of cloth.

Palinore_Of_The_Lake

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

i agree , most of the items looted are salvagable items that gets you either components or runes but that's about it.

They need to add a slight vareity lootwise, just my 2 cents

FFF_WarRaven

FFF_WarRaven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Behind the black shroud.

FFF

R/Me

i think there could be some better drops , i have been in a few groups that 1 person would get most of the rare purple etc items, then i gotta try to get him to give one up or sell it to me, that kinda sucks, now what really pisses me off is, within 3 quests/mission i pick up 5 gold/yellow items, everyone of them gave 20+ iron ingots, rather than a rune or an upgrade, i have all the ingots i'll ever need for crying out loud, and yes i used an expert kit on them, why have even bothered to get them in the first place, rare item? suuree not when they turn into common crafting items. 5 in a row ...gotta love it, i have been thinking of just selling these items pre-salvaged and let some other sap try their hand at salvaging them....just my luck they get the rune or upgrade....usually purple/blue gimme good stuff, but as far as gold/yellow items go im better off gold hunting and buying what i want.

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Lasher Dragon

Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

Join Date: Apr 2005

Iowa

Alphahive

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by FFF_WarRaven
now what really pisses me off is, within 3 quests/mission i pick up 5 gold/yellow items, everyone of them gave 20+ iron ingots
This has happened to me a lot since the "update" - I get all excited finding a gold/purple salvage item, ID it, nothing, Expert Salvage it, tons of crafting materials I neither use nor need. Yeah, they are nice to sell to the Material Trader when the price is right, but I'd much rather unlock something, be it some minor rune or weapon upgrade.

horohoro08

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

i'd be pretty happy if the drop rate is increased, also Anet needs to fix the drops, this happened to me A LOT, not sure about all of the other players, i get these purple or gold salvage items not the "unidentified" ones, just an ultra rare junk, and i ID it, nothing comes out, i can sell it for 39 gold... just a plain golden rare salvage item.. wtf

Shagsbeard

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

No to "better" drops. That way leads to an inflationary spiral and the game spins wildly out of the control of the developers (DAoC).

No to more frequent drops. C'mon... you admit yourself that you are level 14. You haven't even gotten 1/4 the way through the content of the game and you want to change a major facet of the game based on your experience?

Neo Anchorite

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Mo/R

I think the frequency of the drops is fine. That is one of the great parts about this game. You never know what you are going to pickup along the way. If the rare drops were more frequent it would take away from that excitement.



Neo

EnDinG

Keyboard + Mouse > Pen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/W

Had 3 purple salvage items drop for me yesterday. I ended up with nothing from them except for some Iron. Wasn't too happy.

Chev of Hardass

Chev of Hardass

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

Under a rock

zP

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I spent about 4 hours, with three ascended guildmates last night, farming.

Got nothing worth keeping. Unlocked 0 runes between the four of us. Made about 1500 gold by selling all the crap items straight to the marchant. There was nothing to even try and sell to the public. Talk about unhappy.

Ohh, and the more short supply items are, the higher the prices. Come on, let's talk economics for a second. Supply and Demand.

If items were more common there not be any need for the rape job that happens when you need to buy a weeapon or rune.

Currently the Superior Fire rune is sold for about 40K. No one in my guild has found one. So it would appear that the guild that finds the Superior Fire Rune has a distinct advantage over the guild that does not.

Thank you for the grind.

JYX

JYX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

really...I'm at Aurora Glade so far and I can recall a grand total of 0 runes...unless I'm majorly mistaken...not 1 rune. Nothing. I'm gonna have to buy them from a trading site because farming for items is utterly ridiculous considering the drop rate here. Its completely pointless. I've had 2 gold items so far and 5 purples...all that came from the last 2 missions, which was pretty good...but the randomness of it still convinces me that its futile to actively seek them. Which brings me to the next part of my post:

Give us auction houses. Ye gods I need auction houses. Right now the "system" in place simply encourages people making up values, I have no idea what the going rate on many things are, simply because often there is no such thing. Also finding the exact item you want is like a lottery with all the different districts...and if you find the right spammy message for you is also a lottery. We need a kind of in-game ebay system.

Corwin_Andros

Corwin_Andros

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

W/E

I have an ascended Wa/El and have yet to find a major or superior rune. I found plenty of minors to the point I give them away to my guildmates and more than enough weapon upgades...Unfortunately only one or two for my sword.. with basically NO farming. The closest I do to farming is when I'm bored I'll go slumming in the Breach or Diessa Lowlands and wipe out every living thing on the map besides 'lil 'ol me.

I don't do it looking for cool stuff and usually am hoping for a dye drop which I get less often than runes or upgrdes either one.. more because I get bored playing with just henchies if my guildmates aren't on. I enjoy PvP for short periods.. Can't for the life of me understand how anyone could do it for hours on end, but that's me. ANyhow I do pretty well when I do with the few things I have.

It would be nice to get better drops of higher runes and things in the higher level areas a BIT more steadily. THe thing is when I play with henchies and only one or 2 people I just know that those rare and decent drops are coming, but the henchies are getting them..

FFF_WarRaven

FFF_WarRaven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Behind the black shroud.

FFF

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shagsbeard
No to "better" drops. That way leads to an inflationary spiral and the game spins wildly out of the control of the developers (DAoC).

No to more frequent drops. C'mon... you admit yourself that you are level 14. You haven't even gotten 1/4 the way through the content of the game and you want to change a major facet of the game based on your experience?

my point is not better drops i get plenty of purple yellow/gold items and with my guild we hook each other up with with items that each other can use and/or want, my complaint is the percentage of salvaging something from an unlocked item, i have done a few arena pvp, which is cool but i dont play on seriously getting into pvp untill i have gone thru ascending and opeing a few areas i have missed in the RPG section.

If i pick up a gold item, and it unlocks from an id then i want it to salvo into that item, at least a lot more than what it has, every gold item i have salvo'd, execpt for 1 ( superior rune of vigor, WHAT LUCK!!!!bows to the gods.lol) has turned into a common crafting item, i believe this to be absurd.

so much for it being an EXPERT KIT, the word here is EXPERT, would an expert dwarvan hammer crafter create a pos? from the understanding of magical lore, no it would be magical etc....

so i basically spent 400 gps to get a semi expert/common salvoing kit....wow its like buying a lottery kit. I end up having to spend hours selling to lower level characters to make the money to buy an item i need or want, never mind the trully expensive armors and weapons that can be about for xx,xxx$ gps, i have yet to get over 15,000gps bying and trading etc.

i don't think the drops are bad i just think the salvoing percentage should either be adjusted to gain more items from them being unlocked or just gimme the item straight out.

i wonder what the mantel would say if they tried salvoing the scepter of orr and it turned into a tanned hide square!!!! lmao.

owell heres a lollipop kid.

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Adaria

Adaria

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

E/Mo

The last update wasn't to increase drops, it was to lower the rarity of linen, silk and fur squares. You'd know that if you read the update page, but NOT to increase drops.

The henchies DO get items and sometimes, I'm sure they do get them. Seven to one henchies/human players lowers your chances of getting a good rare drop, one in eight times. If there were all rare drops for eight monsters, you'd have chances to get at least one of those, or maybe not.

Fact of the matter is, the drops are there, but henchies take a cut in gold and loot as payment, they don't use them, but it makes the game more fair, though seeing more drops for human players would be nice when we're outnumbered seven to one, or six to two as me and a friend often are...

Lasher Dragon

Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

Join Date: Apr 2005

Iowa

Alphahive

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adaria
The last update wasn't to increase drops, it was to lower the rarity of linen, silk and fur squares. You'd know that if you read the update page, but NOT to increase drops.
Ummmm...

Quote:
Originally Posted by GW Website
Increased drop rates for Uncommon and Rare items in Explorable Areas.
Where's the confusion in that?

Chev of Hardass

Chev of Hardass

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

Under a rock

zP

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Adaria
The henchies DO get items and sometimes, I'm sure they do get them. Seven to one henchies/human players lowers your chances of getting a good rare drop, one in eight times. If there were all rare drops for eight monsters, you'd have chances to get at least one of those, or maybe not.
I farm alone, or with guildmates. That is what farming is. The henchmen are not to blame.

So, is there are reason that you type at all?


Ha ha I am just joking with you. Or am I.

Adaria

Adaria

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

E/Mo

Ok so excuse me for being wrong...

Just forget I said anything then if you're going to be smart-arsed...

Aurixis

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

I've also unlocked one major, maybe five minors, and ZERO superiors. It's because rune drops have so many chances involved, it's rediculous. First, you have to be the lucky guy that gets the purple/gold item in your party. Second, you have to be lucky enough for it to be something (anything - not ID and find out...it's really just a normal one with gold letters). Then, if you're lucky enough to get the rune you want, you have to be lucky enough to not screw up when salvaging the item. All of these factors give you (my made up statistic of) a 0.1% chance of getting an actual rune per mission, a 0.05% chance of getting the rune you want per mission, and 99.85% chance of getting jack.

Just me venting...

Phantium

Phantium

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Europe United [EU]

W/Mo

Not more drops, though better items should drop. I have not ever gotten a Superior Rune and I'd be lvl 30 by now. I farm all day, nothing other then minor runes and if I'm lucky I get a major rune.

Lasher Dragon

Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

Join Date: Apr 2005

Iowa

Alphahive

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adaria
Ok so excuse me for being wrong...

Just forget I said anything then if you're going to be smart-arsed...
Just so you know, I wasn't trying to offend you or be a smart-ass.

Anyway, while it does say they increased the uncommon and rare drop rates, I actually liked it better before that patch. The reason is, before then (at least IME) when you got a purple or gold item, it was unidentified, always. I never got a purple or gold item without something more than craft materials in it before. Now it seems I get purple items all the time, with the occasional gold thrown in, but out of those items maybe 1 in 5 purple items will have something in 'em, and maybe half the gold items. Pretty anti-climactic.

sybban

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Beaufort Fun Park

I don't remember the guild name

Mo/W

I think they should drop less, I always have a crap load of runes and rares. I hate selling stuff so i just give them away to people who need them. I don't think minor runes should actually have a price becuase they drop so much.

FFF_WarRaven

FFF_WarRaven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Behind the black shroud.

FFF

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by sybban
I think they should drop less, I always have a crap load of runes and rares. I hate selling stuff so i just give them away to people who need them. I don't think minor runes should actually have a price becuase they drop so much.

all your super runes belong to...... me? lol

well like i said getting the drops isnt a big deal getting them to salvo is what i think important, i also knotice certain characters seem to get more drops of certain items, im always getting decayed orr emblems or cloth from enemys ...or bows( i get lots and lots os bows ) lol

if you happen to come across super vigors or any super prime atribute runes for necros, warriors, or monks lemme know, am willing to but, just don't be ridecuals , ie in not gonna pay 10 k for a super lol, if ya want to give them away free my main char in game is Raven Scarr lol i'll take it alll MUHAHAHAAH!!!....cough..ahem..( recomposes himself )...carry on..that is all.



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Flatliner

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Legion of Gallantry

E/Me

Stur, you have to remember, you're only 1/4 of the way through the game and you have already found 2 runes. You're actually doing pretty well.

Rasp

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

People really need to realize that A-Net can not always please both PvP fans and PvE fans.

If they increased the drop rates and gave "Unlock all skills/runes/upgrades" button, it would be unfair for PvE fans. This game is NOT for PvP only fans, I've learnt to deal with that.

I personally think the system (drops) is fine as it is. It gives PvE fans something to do for quite some time, without "beating" the game in a month or 2.



Although they do need to work on the PVP content, so that you could unlock upgrades / runes / skills etc through PVP. I think that would please everyone IMO. Of course they will always have moaners with something to complain about. ( Not directed at anyone in this post, just saying.. )

Sadye X

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

I can definitely see both sides of the argument ... and agree that the majority of players never see rare drops, or very few at most. I'm on Abbadon's right now, and have never yet seen a major or superior rune drop, nor a rare weapon for my class ( necro )

At the same time, I do think we all know what would happen if it was known that certain areas had high drop rates of x item / rune etc ... lets just say if you've ever seen the w/mo "how to farm Riverside" video ( forgot which thread I'd seen it in ) then you'll know what I'm talking about And of course, in turn, then once it's general knowledge that all you need to do is make a w/mo and farm x area for 30 minutes you can guarantee that it'll be nerfed which then ruins certain aspects of the gaming experience for the non-farmers etc ...

Banned

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Santa Cruz, California

Clan of the Bone Dragon

Mo/Me

I dont know what your talking about with drop rates...... they suck, plain and simple. I have a level 20 monk, on last quest, and lvl 18 (almost 19) warrior, and 2 others, low level, but have only found 3 golds and 3 purps the entire time ive played. And ive put some time into this game... so what the heck are u saying that the drop rates are good. I do have about 15 minor runes though from using the expert salvage kit, which is nice.

But, still, i think the drop rate is horrible.

Goonter

Goonter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Ive gotten through thunderkeeps with only finding 4 minor runes the whole way through. I hardly ever get anything cool. Ive never found anything Im looking for and rarely find anything I could use. I dont think the solution is in more rare drops though. I know this idea has been spoken before and done to death, but it would be the perfect solution.
A market place. Then everyone could share, sell, buy, trade thier rare items.

For pvp I think it would be cool for a player to be able to unlock x amount of items right off the bat. Those items would be unlocked once and for all for that character only.

Maiyn

Maiyn

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Canada

I Excentrix I [PuNK]

I find lots of minor runes.

My first superior rune didn't salvage. I was very upset :/

Skillful Slayer

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

i kind of agree with upping the drop rate the amount of effort it takes for me to get anything that even resembles useful for me is ridiculous throught the entire game i've found 1 rare item that i accidentally salvaged and i've found 3 or 4 purple items given that im not all the way through im only up to the ring of fire but the fact that im using a wand that plain and simple does 10-20 makes me kind of sad lol

Ironsword

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Newport News Va

Unknown Warriors of Ascalon

W/R

my drops are fairly decent but what i've noticed is that i'm getting less and less stuff when i'm out in the wilderness i'm in the process of ascention right now i've fought my way there usually using the henchmen and even though i can still only have 6 members in my party the drops reserved for me are getting fewer and fewer i used to use up my backpack belt and both bags with runes of holding now when i come into town after being out running around for a long while i still haven't even put a single item in a bag i get lots of rare items but nothing of value to me i'm getting runes and items for other classes and rarely do i ever find a sword or bow and when i do it's not as good as the weapons that i bought i don't stand around selling crap in towns so i just dump it off on a merchant or guildmembers who can use these things

Dyeeo

Dyeeo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

San Diego

Lost Children

E/Mo

Thats really wierd...by the time I was level 16 on my first character, I had like 20 minor runes and 1 superior. I guess I am just pretty lucky?

stumpy

stumpy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2005

Canucklehead BC, Canada

Advanced Necro Undead Society

yes ... yes you are pretty lucky ... My 1st character (beat the game, farms daily) superior runes unlocked or received to date = 0 2nd third fourth characters havent a shot in hell so they are lucky enough to be in my list. I get tons of minor ... i mean like tons ... through hard long hours of work though. There is no magic 1 day cure all for superior runes. It takes time ... the game wasnt meant to be beaten in 20hrs although it very well can be.

It is frusterating but I have been in many groups where they have gotten superior runes (which adds to my frusteration lol, but at least I know they exist so i have a small light at end of a long tunnel)

The game is balanced fine, the trading system needs some help though ... they should really just make an auction house in each city which you have to ENTER into a new map ... easier to find what you need without corrupting daily peeps gameplay in regular windows (so maybe they can group up without 40 WTS between each response haha.)

Stev0

Stev0

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Halifax, NS, Canada

I'm a monk/elementalist.

I have tons of Bows and Hammers of various grades. My buddy gets all ranger oriented items and all I get is 2 count em ... 2 minor runes and I am 20th level. My 2 rare drops are utterly useless protection items give +10 armor.

Like WTF?

I dont see changes in item drops either.

Chev of Hardass

Chev of Hardass

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

Under a rock

zP

Me/

From the update last night. I saw a change.

I suspect that the DEVs will see that it is suddenly too easy to get stuff, so they will cut back again, but till then, thanks.

Anyone else notice this?

Tactical-Dillusions

Tactical-Dillusions

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Grimsby, UK

R/

I spent most of my day hunting in my favourite farm. I managed to get myself an almost identical copy of my rare "shocking flatbow", the only difference being it's not a shocking flatbow of shelter, but a shocking flatbow of enchanting. Same dmg though.
I also got around 8 major runes and around 12 minor runes. Really nice to get so many. I have stashed them away for when i make a new character in the future.
I nearly got a superior rune but it didn't salvage. I don't like anything above minor anyway. The health deduction is way too steep for my liking.

Great patch guys! Good job!

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

I found 2 superiors and 5 majors today in one area, 2 of those majors and one superior in a single farm run. Drop rates are fine, becaues I've only gotten minors and a few majors since then with about 10 runs through the area. And I'm not saying what area it is, I don't want it nerfed. I've also gotten a couple nice gold weapons, one of which is a +28 health +6 armor max damage bone staff with req 10, salvaged the +6 armor...lame.

FFF_WarRaven

FFF_WarRaven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Behind the black shroud.

FFF

R/Me

ok maybe i read it wrong but the update says that purple and gold items, at least the ones that are supposed to yeild runes...."will" yeild the runes when u salvo?

is this correct?

cause if so i'd just like to say W T F??? myself and 2 other guild mates went farming and to make a long story short, 5 gold items and 6 or 7 purple items that said they were runes...turned into crappy common crafting items which you get by salvoing all the reg garbage that turns up....

so were talking about several majors and a few Supers?? this really heats me up cause its been like this from the start basically

like i said before why in the hell even get one if i can't get what it says it is ? i'm not even getting a 40/60% or even a 30/70% rate here...maybe its just me i dunno im a lvl 20 ascended and all that jazz blab blab beat the game....

i'm getting extreamly pissed off....esp now that majors and supers are at stupid high prices....i bought a super vigor in the first week for 3k....now they at 15k+ i seen one bought for a price thats more than a gdam sigil!!! wtf are u people thinking?

[ insert /fistshake here ] ( they really need a /strangle emote or maybe /implode or even /spontanious combust ...tho u might bust before u have time to type half of it )

i just dont get it....

also on a side note can anyone tell me if the leet armors for a necro look anything different than the draknors armor? the pictures the merchant displayes looks the same, how the hell am i supposed to know what it looks like and if its really worth my 15,000 gps a peice??? what if i want to mix and match??? i have yet to earn more than 40,000 gps would be nice to have some previews from the merchant before i go and spend all that hard earned gps to find out it looks like crap...

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