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Random UnRated GvGs
BigTru
Tuoba Hturt Eht
/Signed for this fabulous idea
brybry
omg i love ur explanation on why we should have it....it took awhile to read all of that, but it was worth it!
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Lampshade
Maybe I'll make this thread a little more interesting when I ask the OP:
why?
why?
Daena
/do it
Leonof
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Maybe I'll make this thread a little more interesting when I ask the OP:
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KelvinC
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Yes random unrated is a good way for new guilds to practice.
Yes random unrated is a good way for new guilds to practice.
Orbberius
I am thinking Anet declined to have a random unrated GvG on purpose. Having it would reduce the number of teams doing rated GvG pretty significantly, which is a bad thing.
antialias02
Actually, it wouldn't change anything very much. The top teams would still do rated GvG and rise to the top.
With mandatory random rated GvG, my guild that was just starting out didn't GvG a whole lot because our rating tanked. We wanted a way to practice first - before just going in blindly. Forcing random rated GvG encourages smurfing... because if you end up with a low rating, you want to change that later once you know what you're doing.
Easiest way to do that is to make a smurf.
Ergo, it would be good for the competitiveness of the game to add random unrated GvG, so that guilds can practice on one another without wagering precious ladder rank. Because right now it seems like there are a handful of guilds that know what they're doing for sure, and that the rest of us just can't compete. Will it always be the same guilds in the PvP finals?
I'd answer a tenuous "yes" unless mechanisms are put in place to allow guilds to improve themselves with lesser risk.
With mandatory random rated GvG, my guild that was just starting out didn't GvG a whole lot because our rating tanked. We wanted a way to practice first - before just going in blindly. Forcing random rated GvG encourages smurfing... because if you end up with a low rating, you want to change that later once you know what you're doing.
Easiest way to do that is to make a smurf.
Ergo, it would be good for the competitiveness of the game to add random unrated GvG, so that guilds can practice on one another without wagering precious ladder rank. Because right now it seems like there are a handful of guilds that know what they're doing for sure, and that the rest of us just can't compete. Will it always be the same guilds in the PvP finals?
I'd answer a tenuous "yes" unless mechanisms are put in place to allow guilds to improve themselves with lesser risk.
Orbberius
Those top teams got to the top under the same circumstances, so why can't you? Actually, it's even easier now to learn how GvG works, now that there's Observer mode and you can watch and learn all the different strategies. Suck it up and realize you're going to be pretty shitty at first.
BigTru
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Those top teams got to the top under the same circumstances, so why can't you? Actually, it's even easier now to learn how GvG works, now that there's Observer mode and you can watch and learn all the different strategies. Suck it up and realize you're going to be pretty shitty at first.
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My point is, it would please A LOT more people than it would hurt to add this.
Mellyora Wylfre
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This is a great idea and I was also surprised to find out that it was not in the game currently. There is a post in Community Discussion right now bemoaning the lack of ingenuity in GvG right now, and this would help alleviate that by giving guilds a place to practice builds they have come up with without harming their rank.
This is a great idea and I was also surprised to find out that it was not in the game currently. There is a post in Community Discussion right now bemoaning the lack of ingenuity in GvG right now, and this would help alleviate that by giving guilds a place to practice builds they have come up with without harming their rank.
Orbberius
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Can you tell me how adding unrated random GvGs would hurt anyone (besides the "OMG LOLZ, I JUST PWNT TEH NUBZ!" crowd)? Personally, I wanted this so that you can more easily test out new builds/guild members or just to be able to play GvG when the leader is not on, but if your only arguement is that "Newbies should learn the hard way! It's for the better!", than I fail to see where you're going at with this one.
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Anyway, the problem is that the vast majority of people would just choose to play the random unrated. Being able to play GvG and earn faction without putting anything on the line? Great! Sign me up! Also sign me up for free 1000plat and 1 million ectos!
Then again, if the unrated random matches gave you no faction whatsoever, and the faction given for rated GvG were boosted, it might be a reasonable idea.
mortalis doleo
i've suggested this a couple times already... and again...
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BigTru
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You realize when you play rated matches, they match you against guild of roughly your own rating, right? So, um, I dunno what the hell you're talking about with the 'OMG LOLZ, I JUST PWNT TEH NUBZ!'.
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Anyway, the problem is that the vast majority of people would just choose to play the random unrated. Being able to play GvG and earn faction without putting anything on the line? Great! Sign me up! Also sign me up for free 1000plat and 1 million ectos!
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Rogmar
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Guilds have problems getting 8 players together who enjoy PvP. Why make more problems with finding another guild who would like to GvG at your convenience?
Guilds have problems getting 8 players together who enjoy PvP. Why make more problems with finding another guild who would like to GvG at your convenience?
fiery
It's called calling out in districts LOOKING FOR UNRATED GVG.
No, thank you for your time.
No, thank you for your time.
Rogmar
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It's called calling out in districts LOOKING FOR UNRATED GVG.
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BigTru
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Originally Posted by fiery
It's called calling out in districts LOOKING FOR UNRATED GVG.
No, thank you for your time. |
Your only reasoning is that you can already have an unrandom unrated GvG (which usually takes atleast 45 minutes to set up)?
twicky_kid
The only reason I would not support this even though I have suggested it before is this. If majority are doing unrated that is less people playing rated. Even if it does encourage smurfs. I would take that over waiting 10-15 minutes for a match to start. Then get owned by some of the top guilds because they are the only ones not doing unrated.
drowningfish999
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The only reason I would not support this even though I have suggested it before is this. If majority are doing unrated that is less people playing rated. Even if it does encourage smurfs. I would take that over waiting 10-15 minutes for a match to start. Then get owned by some of the top guilds because they are the only ones not doing unrated.
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Plus its not like the pairing system is that great anyway, I don't think it'll really make that big of an impact.
Orbberius
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Because we ALL know that guilds with low ratings are always newbies, right? The match making system isn't perfect and there are somethings that it will never, ever be able to overcome. But that wasn't the point of my post at all.
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So yeah, if you want to have random unrated GvGs, there better be a very strong incentive to drive the majority of people into rated GvG once they feel they have 'practiced enough' (whenever that may be.....).
Orbberius
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If a guild is planning on doing unrated, they're most likely going to do it one way or the other
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lyra_song
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You realize when you play rated matches, they match you against guild of roughly your own rating, right? So, um, I dunno what the hell you're talking about with the 'OMG LOLZ, I JUST PWNT TEH NUBZ!'.
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I dont want a "random" Unrated gvg, but maybe a way to see ALL the guilds that want to do unrated at that moment. Anything is easier than the way we have it now.
Orbberius
Wow, so your whole argument is one exception out of the thousands of matches played in Guildwars? You have much to learn, young jedi. There's always bound to be exceptionially poor matchups due to lack of enough guilds GvGing at certain points in time. You just wasted your time posting that picture.
lyra_song
This happens a lot more than you think, or wish.
Orbberius
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This happens a lot more than you think, or wish.
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lyra_song
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As you wish. And fragmenting the GvG matches as you suggest would probably cause it to occur even more. You realize WHY rank mismatches happen, right? And how splitting GvG into two camps will almost certainly contribute to it?
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What i want is an easier way to find Unrated gvg. Like i said...anything is better than we have right now.
Orbberius
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Yes, im well aware of the catch 22. And in case you forgot or skipped what i said, i didnt agree with the OP's suggestion.
What i want is an easier way to find Unrated gvg. Like i said...anything is better than we have right now. |
Siren
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Then again, if the unrated random matches gave you no faction whatsoever, and the faction given for rated GvG were boosted, it might be a reasonable idea.
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You provided the answer to your own question...so there was no need at all to get all uppity in the first place.
"If Random Unrated GvG=no Faction gain, then I'm for it."
That's all you had to say, and then agreed with the idea, instead of acting like a complete dweeb. lol
And I'm all for the idea, too. Sounds like a good addition. More guild options are always nice.
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Orbberius
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Then why rant and ramble about "OMFG faction farming!!!!11!!11oneeleven!!" in the first place?
You provided the answer to your own question...so there was no need at all to get all uppity in the first place. "If Random Unrated GvG=no Faction gain, then I'm for it." That's all you had to say, and then agreed with the idea, instead of acting like a complete dweeb. lol And I'm all for the idea, too. Sounds like a good addition. More guild options are always nice. /signed |
And eeeh I could have started off by saying that, but I'm still not convinced that's enough of an incentive, so I thought it necessary to go into more detail. Sorry if that somehow made you unhappy and cry in your sleep. lol
fiery
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Poison Ivy
Don't mix GvG up with PvP.
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Shut Your Mouth
Well my guild has been ranked as high as 400 and as low as 5700. Usually due to player or skill unfamiliarity or trying different builds or tactics. Then theres the whole just having a bad night theory where the team just can't seem to function. I think random unrated(factionless) battles would be nice to have in those situations but in all reality if you don't fight against superior enemies from time to time you will not get any better. There should be a penalty for losing a battle as well as the victor getting a reward. But random unrated will only give the guilds participating in them a false since of security about their skill and coordination level within their team. But you know what if the majority of players in the game want to see it happen then do what it takes to make them happy.
Siren
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I never said anything about faction farming. My main point was that there would be less people in rated GvG.
And eeeh I could have started off by saying that, but I'm still not convinced that's enough of an incentive, so I thought it necessary to go into more detail. Sorry if that somehow made you unhappy and cry in your sleep. lol |
Cynicism aside, you simply didn't provide any actual, developed counter-arguments, other than "Less people will be doing rated GvG." But given how many guilds are in the top 500, and how many guilds are entirely devoted to climbing the ladder? Do you really think the majority of those guilds will suddenly hop on the Random Unrated bandwagon?
And seems to me that Faction gain in Random Unrated was a major focal point for your previous posts:
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Be sensible here.