Hi,
Been playing the game for about a month now, I've reached lvl 18 and Bloodstone Fen and I've noted that it's getting harder to get a decent group together. Before I criticise others though, I thought I'd take advice on my own gaming.
I play a W/Mo (I know...it seemed like a good choice for a newbie) and I wonder what other players out there think a good W/Mo should do?
I try not to aggro excessive numbers of enemies, I tend to play a blocking role where I attack the creatures that are trying to attack the Ele/Mes/Monks at the back, or alternatively I'll push forward and attack the main dude just to draw heat from other players or eliminate the main threat.
Anyone out there got any thoughts?
What makes a good W/Mo?
Jhored Tallspear
Caged Fury
Have a read of this thread,
http://38.99.233.252/forum/showthread.php?t=127623
It has many useful info. on what is expected from a warrior. Who knows, you may already be doing what most non-warrior players would want from a warrior.
http://38.99.233.252/forum/showthread.php?t=127623
It has many useful info. on what is expected from a warrior. Who knows, you may already be doing what most non-warrior players would want from a warrior.
Weeping Wind
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There isnt much more you can do. As W/Mo's are made widely through the game just to farm places. So, people who dont know how to play the role of a warrior because they are better suited to an Ele will try anyway just because W/Mo's are good farming tools. So, you end up with one think W/Mo who cant play his role properly and all he wants to do is go farming. Its getting the same with Monks. They join a group and then apparently go "AFK" all beause they just want an easy ride through the game to make another shitty SHEEP!! (55hp monk).
Just try to grin and bare it. And play the game the way you want. You'll pick up a group sooner or later
Weeping
S!carius
You are doing the right things as a warrior. Keep it up. As to getting into a group, yes it will get harder and harder b/c the group are going to fit the common cookie-cutter build once you get to the desert and beyond. The build calls for 1 or 2 warriors most of the time. And sense there is a surplus of warriors out there, it will be quite difficult to find a group.
There are a few things you can do about this though. You can take henchies, most of the time, they are better than the PUGs (Pick up groups) that you will run into. I personaly don't like playing with henchies b/c I find it boring, so I start my own group. When your starting your group, take your time forming it and make sure people's builds are compatable (you don't want two minion masters in one group). That route may seem a little bit challenging since you have only been playing for a month or so. A third thing you could do is join a guild and do the mission with them. That usualy is the best route to go, it is fun, people won't quit on you, and you most likely will get the mission done first try.
Good luck,
-Sicarius
There are a few things you can do about this though. You can take henchies, most of the time, they are better than the PUGs (Pick up groups) that you will run into. I personaly don't like playing with henchies b/c I find it boring, so I start my own group. When your starting your group, take your time forming it and make sure people's builds are compatable (you don't want two minion masters in one group). That route may seem a little bit challenging since you have only been playing for a month or so. A third thing you could do is join a guild and do the mission with them. That usualy is the best route to go, it is fun, people won't quit on you, and you most likely will get the mission done first try.
Good luck,
-Sicarius
The Real Roy Keane
What makes a good W/Mo? Why, Mending and a Fiery Dragon Sword, of course.
Yanman.be
QFT ^^^^^
also, try going for w/e with armour of earth, or w/me with some mantra's...
also, try going for w/e with armour of earth, or w/me with some mantra's...
Yakumo
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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane
What makes a good W/Mo? Why, Mending and a Fiery Dragon Sword, of course.
DAMMIT! I have an IDS...
Cherno
I always hesitated creating my warrior because I was new and it seemed like the warrior is always the initiator and lead the way through the missions. I wasn't familiar enough with them to take that leadership role. Or course now I know differently, but some things I have picked up being on both ends of it:
1. Don't yell at the team (this is common sense for anyone of any profession.)
2. Don't yell at the monk to res you the instant you die or call for heals all the time.
3. Don't over aggro. Using a bow to pull is a nice thing if you are the one to do it.
4. Wait, wait, wait. After a long battle ask for an energy check. Nothing worse than a Weeeeeeorriar Jenkins!
5. Don't let yourself get pulled by the enemy, they do that. Don't be afraid to back off once engaged or switch targets.
6. Know the priority of creatures to kill.
Sounds like you are doing just fine so far. Don't worry about what people say about you or your build. If they seem to be honestly trying to offer constructive advice, don't get defensive.
1. Don't yell at the team (this is common sense for anyone of any profession.)
2. Don't yell at the monk to res you the instant you die or call for heals all the time.
3. Don't over aggro. Using a bow to pull is a nice thing if you are the one to do it.
4. Wait, wait, wait. After a long battle ask for an energy check. Nothing worse than a Weeeeeeorriar Jenkins!
5. Don't let yourself get pulled by the enemy, they do that. Don't be afraid to back off once engaged or switch targets.
6. Know the priority of creatures to kill.
Sounds like you are doing just fine so far. Don't worry about what people say about you or your build. If they seem to be honestly trying to offer constructive advice, don't get defensive.
Wonderpuff
Just figure out what role you want to play skills-wise and advertise it to get in a group. I just finished the game with a W/Mo. I'd hop into an area and clue them in that I was a "Disruption/Stance tank packing Rebirth" and get a group pretty quickly all the way through the Ring of Fire.
Also, don't be afraid to let people know that you're only "half as retarded as most wammos." That seems to work sometimes, too.
Also, don't be afraid to let people know that you're only "half as retarded as most wammos." That seems to work sometimes, too.
dont feel no pain
hehehe how about this , in groups a good warrior monk donates his 2 pips of regen towards enchantments that you put on a monk eg. succor , balthzars spirit , mending , wacthful spirit + mending hehe , well a good w/mo shouldn't keep his monk side to himelf and should have rebirth at all times in pve (mission and quests that is)
Age
The most important thing as I play Mo/W and W/Mo is to listen to your castors especially your monk.This is the problem I deal with when playing Monk when I am out of enrgy how can I heal myself.The only skill you really require from your monk side are mend ailment and a hard res.The rest being Warrior and yes no mending.Take your time as well don't rush it.
Wrath Of Dragons
you seem to be remembering one of the most important things for a tank....."squishy" targets really do need someone to cover for them. sounds like you are one of the rare tanks who are good to have on a team
Jhored Tallspear
Thanks guys...I am feeling a lot more confident that I am doing the right things...
as a note...I always have Restore Life, Healing Breeze and Heal Signet on my bar. Just so I can reduce the monks workload where possible.
as a note...I always have Restore Life, Healing Breeze and Heal Signet on my bar. Just so I can reduce the monks workload where possible.
Keeper of Birds
It's been a long time since I pushed my w/mo through the game, but you will have trouble finding groups at Thunderhead and beyond. I found one trick that helped was to advertise that I "followed orders well". It shows people that you acknowledge your newness to the area and that you are willing to listen to people who have done it before.
Since, as many people posted here, parties DO work better with a tank, people who do want to do the mission should be attracted to one who is aware of some of the problems typical to the breed.
Since, as many people posted here, parties DO work better with a tank, people who do want to do the mission should be attracted to one who is aware of some of the problems typical to the breed.
pearhk
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Originally Posted by Jhored Tallspear
I try not to aggro excessive numbers of enemies, I tend to play a blocking role where I attack the creatures that are trying to attack the Ele/Mes/Monks at the back, or alternatively I'll push forward and attack the main dude just to draw heat from other players or eliminate the main threat.
Anyone out there got any thoughts? Yes, u got the rite concpet
u should block enemies
but your approach is wrong,
1. When u are aggroing, nobody should be in your aggro bubble
2. once u aggroed, u should NOT move, even some mobs leaked and attack casters, if u moved, u LOSE aggro and mobs attacking u will rape ur casters
Anyone out there got any thoughts? Yes, u got the rite concpet
u should block enemies
but your approach is wrong,
1. When u are aggroing, nobody should be in your aggro bubble
2. once u aggroed, u should NOT move, even some mobs leaked and attack casters, if u moved, u LOSE aggro and mobs attacking u will rape ur casters
Haggard
warriors can be great fun to play, apart from the nooby connotations, but as one person i was with once put it, he was a "damage dealing melee fighter" rathern than a "remote controlled block of titanium". I found it was much easier to be an awesome warrior after completing the game on my monk, as i could understand what things were like from the 'squishy target' point of view
PHoenix is cool
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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane
What makes a good W/Mo? Why, Mending and a Fiery Dragon Sword, of course.
lol, mabye if your fighting in ascalon. I dont use mending cas of shatter enchantment. but i use a fiery dragon sword cas theyre so cool >_<
tuna-fish_sushi
Mending + Live Vicariously + Vigorous spirit + Fiery Dragon sword = Unbeatable wammo. Watch out for enchantment strips.
Moa Bird Cultist
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Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi
Mending + Live Vicariously + Vigorous spirit + Fiery Dragon sword = Unbeatable wammo. Watch out for enchantment strips.
Don't forget Droks armour at lvl 10
Eaimirth Etaivella
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Originally Posted by Moa Bird Cultist
Don't forget Droks armour at lvl 10
and the 5 sup runes, ya know in case we want to change weps mid battle
and the 5 sup runes, ya know in case we want to change weps mid battle
Jhored Tallspear
Hi Guys,
Thanks for all the helpful advice, I haven't yet subscribed to the mending and FDS school of Whammos yet, but maybe one day...
I'm now at Droknars with a build that I am starting to love.
Swordsmanship 9+2
Tactics 12
Strength 10+1
Healing Prayers 6
Skills are:
Endure Pain
Galrath Slash
Griffons Sweep
Defensive Stance
Watch Yourself!
I Will Avenge You
Restore Life
Healing Signet
I have Glads Armour from Amnoon Oasis (About to upgrade at Droknars)
I love this build... I can use Endure Pain, Defensive stance, Heal Signet, and Watch yourself to stay alive for ages and Galrath & Griffons to take down foes. Give me a good monk and I become damn hard to kill.
Even went 1-on-1 with Glint for about 30 seconds before he finally pwned me (it's not that good..sadly)
Finding it works real well, but if anyone has good suggestions to improve, I'd love to know.
Oh, and I worked on that build myself, following useful advice on the Build a Better Warrior series...so apologies if anyone thinks i've just nicked their build.
Thanks for all the helpful advice, I haven't yet subscribed to the mending and FDS school of Whammos yet, but maybe one day...
I'm now at Droknars with a build that I am starting to love.
Swordsmanship 9+2
Tactics 12
Strength 10+1
Healing Prayers 6
Skills are:
Endure Pain
Galrath Slash
Griffons Sweep
Defensive Stance
Watch Yourself!
I Will Avenge You
Restore Life
Healing Signet
I have Glads Armour from Amnoon Oasis (About to upgrade at Droknars)
I love this build... I can use Endure Pain, Defensive stance, Heal Signet, and Watch yourself to stay alive for ages and Galrath & Griffons to take down foes. Give me a good monk and I become damn hard to kill.
Even went 1-on-1 with Glint for about 30 seconds before he finally pwned me (it's not that good..sadly)
Finding it works real well, but if anyone has good suggestions to improve, I'd love to know.
Oh, and I worked on that build myself, following useful advice on the Build a Better Warrior series...so apologies if anyone thinks i've just nicked their build.
NJudson
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Originally Posted by Cherno
4. Wait, wait, wait. After a long battle ask for an energy check. Nothing worse than a Weeeeeeorriar Jenkins!
LOL. That's so funny, but unfortunately it really isn't when it happens to you. By the way, I heard the whole Leeroy Jenkins thing was staged. Is that right because it looked pretty good.
Ado
Since you have no healing skills equiped (restore life doesnt count) dont put points in healing.
You could swap defensive stance for gladiators defence (can be capped in dragons lair if i remember correctly), cause to problem with defensive stance is that it ends when you use a skill.
I have other suggestions but I dont want to spoil things for you, I think it's good you're trying out stuff yourself . But if u wanna hear my suggestions just message me ingame.
You could swap defensive stance for gladiators defence (can be capped in dragons lair if i remember correctly), cause to problem with defensive stance is that it ends when you use a skill.
I have other suggestions but I dont want to spoil things for you, I think it's good you're trying out stuff yourself
. But if u wanna hear my suggestions just message me ingame.
Jhored Tallspear
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Originally Posted by Ado
Since you have no healing skills equiped (restore life doesnt count) dont put points in healing.
You could swap defensive stance for gladiators defence (can be capped in dragons lair if i remember correctly), cause to problem with defensive stance is that it ends when you use a skill.
I have other suggestions but I dont want to spoil things for you, I think it's good you're trying out stuff yourself . But if u wanna hear my suggestions just message me ingame.
Thanks for that...I'm looking to go back and get glads defence this weekend, but maybe i gave duff info on my stance (i'm at work and have restricted inetrnet)
Its the one where you get 75% chance to block but can only move 33% slower, and seeing as I rarely need to run once engaged, it works pretty well for me.
I put the 6 in healing just becuse the extra pts in tactics/strength etc, made far less difference to my existing skills, and I wanted to rez palyers that wouldn't die immediately.
still have the 2nd 15pt quest to do, so maybe this will chnge once i complete that.
You could swap defensive stance for gladiators defence (can be capped in dragons lair if i remember correctly), cause to problem with defensive stance is that it ends when you use a skill.
I have other suggestions but I dont want to spoil things for you, I think it's good you're trying out stuff yourself
. But if u wanna hear my suggestions just message me ingame.
Thanks for that...I'm looking to go back and get glads defence this weekend, but maybe i gave duff info on my stance (i'm at work and have restricted inetrnet)Its the one where you get 75% chance to block but can only move 33% slower, and seeing as I rarely need to run once engaged, it works pretty well for me.
I put the 6 in healing just becuse the extra pts in tactics/strength etc, made far less difference to my existing skills, and I wanted to rez palyers that wouldn't die immediately.
still have the 2nd 15pt quest to do, so maybe this will chnge once i complete that.
Ninjutsu Honor Code
Mending ftw xD
Peewee
if u want to be a good wammo, just forget wammoing completely, Bring succur, Lifebond or Bal spirit if you must, and drop them on the monk. he/she will love you for it. By helping the monk like that you can stay alive longer than if you just helped yourself. Sure, it means relying on somebody else, but you got better dmg, and ur making a bigger difference to ur team than a +3 mending will ever do.
LightningHell
Don't worry, you're better than the warriors I have to team up because of my timezone, in any case. By a ton.
sh4ft3d
Lol. Use smiting: its one of the best support lines in the game. Balthazars spirit for yourself and Succor really helps your monks.
Skuld
Rebirth =P
LightningHell
Does he have rebirth yet, seeing it's Maguuma?
Oh right, he's in the Desert now.
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Oh right, he's in the Desert now.
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Do what is best for you. But definitely swap out Defensive Stance for Gladiator's, Restore Life for Rebirth. I'm thinking about Dolyak Signet, but that's your choice.
And yes, Balthazar's Spirit doesn't hurt.
Jhored Tallspear
Hi Guys, back again.
Now at Ring of Fire ( aka Land of Infinite Warrior Deaths...how hard!!!)
This is my current build, although i do move skills according to the mission.
Strength 10 +2
Tactics 11 + 2
Swordmanship 10 + 1
Skills
Endure Pain
Galraths
Riposte (better than deadly riposte imho - faster recharge)
Glads Defence
Watch Yourself
Savage Slash
Ressurect
Heal Signet
I have 1.5k armour from Droks, Mainly Glads, but with a platemail helm and knights chest.
I've also got a 15-22 barbed butterfly sword of Fortitude and a pair of shields 16+8 vs blunt and 16+9 vs pierced.
I am struggling to get anywhere in Ring of Fire...is it really meant to be so tough? are there any elite skills that can help out, or have I got my build totally wrong for this mission?
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
Now at Ring of Fire ( aka Land of Infinite Warrior Deaths...how hard!!!)
This is my current build, although i do move skills according to the mission.
Strength 10 +2
Tactics 11 + 2
Swordmanship 10 + 1
Skills
Endure Pain
Galraths
Riposte (better than deadly riposte imho - faster recharge)
Glads Defence
Watch Yourself
Savage Slash
Ressurect
Heal Signet
I have 1.5k armour from Droks, Mainly Glads, but with a platemail helm and knights chest.
I've also got a 15-22 barbed butterfly sword of Fortitude and a pair of shields 16+8 vs blunt and 16+9 vs pierced.
I am struggling to get anywhere in Ring of Fire...is it really meant to be so tough? are there any elite skills that can help out, or have I got my build totally wrong for this mission?
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
got lah
Here's my two cents...
You should swap out endure pain for something else imo. Fake health = Monk Hate. The spike damage when the skill ends can sometimes get rather annoying...soo yeah. Suggestions : Final Thrust?
Also, Ressurect should go. Seriously. Swap that out for rebirth, helps the group out. Alot.
You should swap out endure pain for something else imo. Fake health = Monk Hate. The spike damage when the skill ends can sometimes get rather annoying...soo yeah. Suggestions : Final Thrust?
Also, Ressurect should go. Seriously. Swap that out for rebirth, helps the group out. Alot.
Senator Tom
to op, you're how i was, till i started soloing everything. if you cant get a good group, thers most likely a solo build.
Corinthian
A decent whammo can tank with stances. I don't care if you are a drooling ape in front of the computer just don't focus doing dmg in high level PvE. Racthoh's VIM build works wonders in just about any situation.
Jhored Tallspear
Thanks for the advice guys, I have swapped savage slash for dolyaks to up the armour levels and kept galrath plus one over for my damage. i use riposte if heavy on the melee attacks and savage slash if need to interrupt, otherwise power attack.
It's slow, but it gets the job done, and it saw me through Ring of Fire without dying once ( although I manage a good balanced PUG, which is also a rare thing.
I am at abaddons now, and i've been told its the last quest. dunno whether its true?
It's slow, but it gets the job done, and it saw me through Ring of Fire without dying once ( although I manage a good balanced PUG, which is also a rare thing.
I am at abaddons now, and i've been told its the last quest. dunno whether its true?
Thorinfire
Nope; Hells Precipice is the next and last mission and I am trying that with my wammo tonight
Good luck
Good luck