Firstly, this post is NOT an iway bashing post. I harbour no grudge for people that play in IWAY teams. However, it does concern iway.
Come on, stand with me a while in the various districts.
What do you see? 95%+ IWAY.
We all know why.It works.
Don't read this and waste my time saying beating Iway is simple. It is incredibly simple,IF you know what you are doing and everyone listens and people bring the necessary skills...but even then their Edge bombs will get ya on occasion,etc.
Of course, I do expect the usual arrogant posters,that despite my request, will blindly post here saying iway is irrevelant and free fame. Probably they are in the teams of hi-rankers which I watch in Tombs DAILY,getting rolled over by iway. Of course, 'it never happened'.....oh but it did,thanks to observe mode.....
So wise up Anet. Look around. Tombs is now mostly (not all,of course) iway vs iway. Pet Wars. Come on people, those of you that follow my post. Lets show some honesty. Macho postering and varous abuse achieves nothing.
Kids have realised its all they need to succeed. We know it, they know it. Anet doesn't.Shame really. A good game is dying. And beside the fact if it wins or loses, who wants to keep playing the same old build, either with it or against it?
Tombs is literally on the Edge of Extinction.
Tombs R.I.P
TombsRIP
kvndoom
Don't worry, all that will change within the next week.
Count to Potato
Gaile does not like IWAY thats what frog said... IWAY will be nerfed and anyway only Your Math Teacher wins halls with IWAY
TombsRIP
Doom, I hope you are right. Thanks for the reply.
tuskenraid
A tad dramatic don't you think???
The game is not dying, and lo-and-behold the end of the world is not coming. Yes, IWAY is everywhere.
but....
Just give it a few more days and all will be resolved. Some really interesting conversations have been recorded just yesterday and the day before from Gaile talking about IWAY. Anet knows it, and on March 7th (?) when the skill balances takes place, IWAY will be significantly different.
The game is not dying, and lo-and-behold the end of the world is not coming. Yes, IWAY is everywhere.
but....
Just give it a few more days and all will be resolved. Some really interesting conversations have been recorded just yesterday and the day before from Gaile talking about IWAY. Anet knows it, and on March 7th (?) when the skill balances takes place, IWAY will be significantly different.
Lady Erighan
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Kids have realised its all they need to succeed. We know it, they know it. Anet doesn't.Shame really.
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Second - You made your screen name TombsRIP just for this very rant?
Third - It's called Hero's Ascent, not TOMBS.
TombsRIP
Potato, my point isn't really about winning HoH, althought I appreciate your observation. I am rather more concerned about the various other rounds leading up to the actual HoH. And the domination by iway against the inexperienced and even the very experienced.
I think my concern is the way the game has become so overrun with iway. I say again, I have nothing against iway players.good luck to anyone that players and supports what is a great game. With no other teams easily available of course these guys want to join and team and get going. But its become a downward spiral. Its overrun
If Anet give players the means to do something well,they'll do it. smart move by those players.
But this time, this particular 'flavour of the month' has become a 'flavour of the year' and has lead to the game becoming stagnant for many.
I think my concern is the way the game has become so overrun with iway. I say again, I have nothing against iway players.good luck to anyone that players and supports what is a great game. With no other teams easily available of course these guys want to join and team and get going. But its become a downward spiral. Its overrun
If Anet give players the means to do something well,they'll do it. smart move by those players.
But this time, this particular 'flavour of the month' has become a 'flavour of the year' and has lead to the game becoming stagnant for many.
TombsRIP
Lady Erighan...
It's posters like you that sadly add nothing to a conversation *sigh*
It's posters like you that sadly add nothing to a conversation *sigh*
Kakumei
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Lady Erighan...
It's posters like you that sadly add nothing to a conversation *sigh* |
TombsRIP
Tusken,
Yeah,mate, you are right. Maybe my postt was a tad melodramatic of me. Just tryin to make my point without flaming and attacking people.
A pity that others(not you) on these forums don't adopt that approach eh?
Have a good one.
Yeah,mate, you are right. Maybe my postt was a tad melodramatic of me. Just tryin to make my point without flaming and attacking people.
A pity that others(not you) on these forums don't adopt that approach eh?
Have a good one.
art_
I really want to flame you because you seem so trollable, but i'm going to resist it.
Tombs is not dead. If people are scared of being rolled by IWAY maybe they are best sticking to GvG. Some people people play IWAY enough to be awesome at it, that is true, but for the most part IWAY is farmable if you have any experience in tombs. Thats not because it is weak build, but because there are obvious tricks to use vs IWAY and things that you must and must not to do vs them.
Tombs is not dead. If people are scared of being rolled by IWAY maybe they are best sticking to GvG. Some people people play IWAY enough to be awesome at it, that is true, but for the most part IWAY is farmable if you have any experience in tombs. Thats not because it is weak build, but because there are obvious tricks to use vs IWAY and things that you must and must not to do vs them.
Zehnchu
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Tusken,
Yeah,mate, you are right. Maybe my postt was a tad melodramatic of me. Just tryin to make my point without flaming and attacking people. A pity that others(not you) on these forums don't adopt that approach eh? Have a good one. |
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But also there are other posts on IWAY and topics like Balance on the Horizon that pretty much say IWAY is going to be a thing in the past soon along with other popular builds.
Tainek
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Originally Posted by TombsRIP
Firstly, this post is NOT an iway bashing post. I harbour no grudge for people that play in IWAY teams. However, it does concern iway.
Come on, stand with me a while in the various districts. What do you see? 95%+ IWAY. We all know why.It works. Don't read this and waste my time saying beating Iway is simple. It is incredibly simple,IF you know what you are doing and everyone listens and people bring the necessary skills...but even then their Edge bombs will get ya on occasion,etc. Of course, I do expect the usual arrogant posters,that despite my request, will blindly post here saying iway is irrevelant and free fame. Probably they are in the teams of hi-rankers which I watch in Tombs DAILY,getting rolled over by iway. Of course, 'it never happened'.....oh but it did,thanks to observe mode..... So wise up Anet. Look around. Tombs is now mostly (not all,of course) iway vs iway. Pet Wars. Come on people, those of you that follow my post. Lets show some honesty. Macho postering and varous abuse achieves nothing. Kids have realised its all they need to succeed. We know it, they know it. Anet doesn't.Shame really. A good game is dying. And beside the fact if it wins or loses, who wants to keep playing the same old build, either with it or against it? Tombs is literally on the Edge of Extinction. |
TBH i think this is just 100% bull, on the euro servers, i see, 1/10 blood, 1/10 ranger spike, 3/10 balanced, 2/10 Edenial, 3/10 iway
Iway is common, yes, no arguement here, but if it wasnt IWAY, it would be some other simple build.
if you thnk this is killing tombs , your are very very much mistaken, at the end of the day, mr average joe pays for our game, even with 4 accounts each, hardcore players are so insignificant in number, that they cannot sustain GW.
Iway is your right, not overpowered, but it is Simple, and this is important.
not everyone has 4 hours to plan a build, get a team together, and then spend a few hours gaming, most will want to spend an hour at a time, get a group, and get in there. this keeps it fun for them (yes thats right, even the "non-hardcorese" deserve to be looked after, and are equal to anet)
if there is not "simple" plug n play build, then the PVP community with wither and die. experianced players will eventaully leave, and less and less players will become experianced, high end PVP dies, GG
most people in IWAY will never learn multiple builds, they will stick to one they learn and enjoy, so this isnt ever goign to change, there will always be one common build, if you like variety, try making new builds yoursefl.
Iway is a boon to PVP, and certainly not a hinderance
Lady Erighan
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Lady Erighan...
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Statement number #2 was an observation regarding your rant...nothing more.
I'm not flaming you or starting a flame war. Sorry you feel that way...
asdar
It's a good post but it's been done too many times for many people to care. I intend no offense to anyone.
The problems in HA are deeper than one build dominating. If they deleted the skill Iway from the game there would be another build or a series of builds but the fact would remain that HA is not fun and easy. It's a place for guilds to go not individuals.
Getting into the group if you're rank 6 and up is a pain and forget trying a new build that you came up with.
If you've got a guild then HA is as likely to be a testing grounds as a serious contest. Most guilds would rather GvG than HA I think.
What they need is some mechanism for getting into groups easier in my opinion.
The problems in HA are deeper than one build dominating. If they deleted the skill Iway from the game there would be another build or a series of builds but the fact would remain that HA is not fun and easy. It's a place for guilds to go not individuals.
Getting into the group if you're rank 6 and up is a pain and forget trying a new build that you came up with.
If you've got a guild then HA is as likely to be a testing grounds as a serious contest. Most guilds would rather GvG than HA I think.
What they need is some mechanism for getting into groups easier in my opinion.
Sergio Leone
The game is not dying. You see the GWWC going on? That is far from dying. That is showing how well this game has progressed World wide so quickly! Which I am incredibly proud to see. Yet, not one of those teams (to my knowledge) is using IWAY. Why? Because IWAY is yes a build that works well against those PUG's and upper-ranked guilds, but it is easy to beat. I'm sure you will attempt to come up with a remark to try to defeat my statement, but don't even think IWAY is causing this game to die. If anything it is getting more people INTERESTED in PvP that wouldn't have otherwise. Most PvE players didn't venture over to PvP because they didn't have that rank 3,6, or even 9 that those "good" players running the "better" builds are running. I know for a fact because I am one of them. Now I understand it is a rather cheap build, but it is GREAT for the newer PvP players. So I just want you to know that before you go on about IWAY causing this game to die.
PatteNo1
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Tombs is literally on the Edge of Extinction.
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The access to Hall of Heroes is now granted from Heroes Ascent, located on the battle isles.
Valdaran Longfoot
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Lady Erighan...
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Lady Erighan was 100% correct about Anet saying they wont change skills AT ALL during the WC event.
I know you don't hate Iway but your kinda wrong about GW dying........
There are plenty of balanced, rangerspike, bloodspike, ranbow, or whatever builds going on in HoH. The fact is though that they are not formed from random people, most of the time they know eachother from guild or friends.
Try joining a guild that does HoH before you say its 95% iway.
Your just spitefull at Lady Erighan for pointing out something you didn't know. Anet is NOT ignoring it, they said they will not make any changes for a few weeks AFTER the GWWC ends. The frog even said a few days ["as little as a week, no more than a month"] (may not be exact wording but thats what he said).
Don't say crap about how bad Anet is, they are better than any other company that runs online games, the don't take monthly fees and STILL THEY WORK TO KEEP THE GAME CHANGING AS OFTEN AS THE CAN.
Want an idea what its like play a game where something is overrun???? Play Diablo2, for nearly 2 years hacks were EVERYWHERE (items, maphacks, dupes). Or play Halo2 online, (untill a few weeks ago because people got bored) people hacked every other game.
yangster
You need to stay up to date(since you don't know the difference between Tombs and Heros Ascent) before ranting about something that Anet already knows about and so do the gamers. I guess you never heard of the GWWC? If skills were nerfed during it then the guilds need to develop new builds during it which is not a good thing to do and could take time, or do you don't care?
Tyrent Frath
arguing on the internet is like participating in the special olympics...
even if you win youre still retarded
it has been said *many times* it will get taken care of, so let's show a *little* patience, this is just like the people who whined about the tormentors skin...everyone knows it, and everyone wants it, but starting REPETITIVE topics about it in forums is *not* going to do anything about it.
even if you win youre still retarded
it has been said *many times* it will get taken care of, so let's show a *little* patience, this is just like the people who whined about the tormentors skin...everyone knows it, and everyone wants it, but starting REPETITIVE topics about it in forums is *not* going to do anything about it.
wsmcasey
I find that HOH is very frustrating. Unless you have a pvp guild or a group of ingame or RL friends, then its near impossible to display any individual originality when it comes to creating builds. The main reason is because everyone putting a group together already has a specific build they are looking for to complete their group, and most of those specific builds have been beaten to death and display no originality from the individual running that build. I've got lots of nice builds that I've created in PvE and Random PvP, but I just don't get the chance to play them in organized PvP....VERY FRUSTRATING!
Anyway, their are multiple threads on this discussion, so remind me why we are talking about this again?
Anyway, their are multiple threads on this discussion, so remind me why we are talking about this again?
twicky_kid
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Don't worry, all that will change within the next week.
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Mustache Mayhem
well you know the good players love iway.. they can roll it with thier experienced balanced teams and it's easy fame for them- but on the flip side I can see iway being good for the weekend warrior who does'nt play much but want's some rank.. who knows what's going to pop up after the update
Sents
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Its quite tired and reflects very poorly on the intlelligence , or lack thereof, of the average GW player, but none of you are average are you? Flame away.
Lasareth
I'm going to put this conversation on hold until the upcoming skill update takes effect. That is Anet's "reaction" to what's already in need of rebalancing. If you feel dissatisfied with it, then you may repost a well thought out argument on it.