Remove All R6 And Below

So much nonsensical rambling. The bottom line...you are just jealous of others hard work. What rank are you?
How many hours have you spent playing heros? Or did you just walk up and expect a free ride?

You are not a special and unique snowflake!

Rather than looking within to resolve you're problems the blame must be with others, sorry if I'm not wiping tears from my eyes over you're sad tale.

I have NEVER EVER seen anyone ask for money to get into HA group. I think the community as a whole would come down hard on anyone that dared to speak such nonsense in public chat. With that said, I doubt Anet would care if such an agreement were to transpire, since it doesn't involve real world money exchanging hands, and is tantamount to a verbal contract between agreeable parties. You don't have to pay...and they don't have to help you.

ur def for scamming is quite odd.. did we hurt anyone in the process? no we didnt. if we did we would have been kicked from the party. So we didnt "scam" groups of other good players. we WERE good players that understood the pvp aspect that just didnt have rank.

cool, flames. *breaks out the marshmallows*

I used to do halls a lot back when you didn't have to be rank 3+ or 6+ (ahh those were the days) but I haven't done halls in a long time just because I'm not waiting around for an hour looking for a group. Personnally I don't think I'm bad at the game at all (possibly better thans some R3 or R6 even...maybe) but without the rank emote no one is gonna let me in anyway so I figure screw them. Not really angry about this I just find something else to do and it's not a big deal, but that's my take on the halls/rank thing.

Oh yeah, I don't understand the point of removing rank 6 and under. I don't think it's gonna change much. Or at least it won't change things for long.

ok i see our point on the ranks im a r8 i run balnaced spike and i way why should we have to give up our ranks when we have worked hard to git it do u think we went to sleep and woke up the next day with them??like anyone else you fight for your ranks and its not true ive seen low rank and unranked take halls rank isnt always the most important its how you play with the team u are in

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=124378

I have seen this kind of "service" in HA, too - offered by a member of a well known IWAY guild for _real_ cash.

the rankest attitude is almost worse then the racsist issues in GW. IDK. I personally go with guildies. some ahve rank some don't I don't play much HA anymore. actually not since the change over really from halls... I just lost all interested in it with Iway in there... Balanced teams are for me, and only place you see this is in PvE atm... in anycase...

The Rankest crap will either stop. get worse or not be a factor. I see 3 possibilities.

Nothing changes and people continue to get rank forever. thus all teams require rank 15+ to play in heroes ascent some day in the future... if not, your trash and they will not even talk to you... Whatever... It used to be Rank 3 required now its rank 8 or higher is the min... so it will progress..

Anet makes it so rank does not matter in some way. maybe by eliminating rank for HA or capping it in some way. Thus there is a limit to the Rankest attitude in the game.

Anet periodically resets Rank. Possibility every chapter... Thus giving everyone equal footing without extensive bias. much like the ladder system with the guilds... Rank is top player, Rating is top guilds...Annual reset...
Now I like this option but I doubt it will happen... However it really should. because the people that are farming rank now for a fee are ruining PvP it for the rest of the game community.

I think the faction changes will be a benefit. and most of the jerk holes will move on to later areas in the game eventually leaving the HA open again... Don't get me wrong, I know some of the guys in PvP and they are generally ok, but there is a large group of powerful Iway fools that love to berate ANYONE that DARES even bother to challenge their hall. lol Whatever... When you play it so long and thats the best you can do. well.. The real pitty is you. lol Not the people you berate. Hey Let shut them in the vault sometime and leave them there. lol Fine you want it? thats the only place you can go now for life. lol

But honestly now. How does anyone that just got the game expect to be able to learn if people act as they FREQUENTLY do in HA... seriously... we were all rank 0 not all that long ago people. Boy would it be righteous to have it back to that status again... The top 10 rank players in the game get some sort of minor recognition and everything reset to 0 again for everyone. new old vet everyone. lol That would truly be something worth seeing...

that i do agree with paying for fame is stupid as hell that i do have a problem with that someone cant spend the time annd energy to gain fame by working for it

Okay... do this...


Your rank 0? They dont know that


STARTING R4+ EoE BOMB GROUP, PM ME WITH RANK/Class


IWAYERROX: MEMEMEZ

You: No thanks

Him;STFU YOUR MOM

Then you finally get a group together maybe 10 minutes later, go in, and have a fun time

i like ur way of thinking defender and yes the point of this thread was to see how amny responded in a bada and good way but it was quite entertaning to

good leader + patient players > rank.

Yep, and some players that know the proffessions well.
And i have the feeling this post was placed by someone with rank 7 +.
Rank doesnt say how good you are, but how good you can play in teams.
Good tactics and commication is nice too.
And also remember its a game..... dont get a big ego because your rank 12 like some well know players do.

/seconded

I started playing Guild Wars last May when it came out. I was strictly PvE until I finished the game with all 6 char having to delete my first ele and monk. I then ventured into the PvP arenas and learned real quick the big difference between the two areas. I knew virtually all the skillz of each class yet had to relearn their usefulness in the PvP arena. I spent many hours in random arenas testing builds. I then moved to tombs about the time the spirits were nerfed.I spent countless hours playing with pugs earning fame 1 match at a time. Sometimes I would gain 10 fame in one night, other times I would go fameless after many hours of joining pug after pug. But as was stated before, I always gained the most fame in a night after being patient and staying with one group and just working out bugs after each losss, unlike the majority of peeps who leave immediately after the battle is lost and in search of the next unorganized pug. I quit PvPing once the IWAY builds ran amuck simply because IMO it was overpowered and too easy to farm fame with. If it wasnt overpowered then why did EVERYBODY jump on the bandwagon? I have just started to PvP again finally making Rank 4 just a few nights ago. My point is after such a long post is that to remove rank would not be fair to those who earned it the hard way. I spent hours on this website and many others studying post by Ensign and others trying to get a deeper understanding of all aspects of the game in order to increase my skill level.I got my arse handed to me by countless players while testing builds only to be flamed after the loss as being such a NOOB. So, if you cant get in a group....make your own. If you dont know how.....study. If you do get in a group and get flamed for not being Uber Leet...get over it and find others who are more respectful and will help you.On a side note....I have a vent server and when I make a group, I have everyone to get on vent. I am AMAZED at all the little disrespectful,RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOy, know-it-all kids that play this game. So,to all those who cant get into groups Good luck and if you don't make things happen, then they WON'T happen!Peace!

god of troy owns u all ffs. His right about evrything.

Rank discrimination = experience discrimination, which actually takes place in real life too, especially in the workforce. If you have working experience, you will find yourself easier to get a job compared to say..a fresh grad.

Fame is not the problem here but the players themselves.

I think the point was when iWay was in swing it was easy to get lower rank (not high rank) easily and only know how to play iWay.

This also caused some to "up" the rank requirement to join, due to how easy it was to get lower rank via iWay.

Now that iway is gone, this may correct itself.

yah iway is far frome gone all it is good for now is rank farmers ites ben a while since iway won the hoh i like this but im still descusted by r3 or r6 required it annoys me and when u put together a group some ppl do eff up allot like i had 1 guy bring all 3 sperits and no iway or pet every one was verry furious. i have spent a few hours seeing hoe many noobs join and ask for stats what wep to use exetra exatra. GIME SOME MELLOWS AND CHOCOLATE

Are you even trying to make sense? Or was this thread a joke-thread?

Complete Rank reset every chapter... New game new rank. period. problem solved... end of rankism.. for want of a better word...

If they rage quit the game over it. so much the better... Their loss, not ours...

Turning on a light when typing can be very advantageous...Spell Check works too.


Anyway, I feel that the 'iway' trick was the worst thing to come to the PvP in Guild Wars. Before it, you didn't see as many clueless players with rank 6 or whatever. But seriously, how many times do you see a player that makes a stupid remark, question or action and when laughed at, says "STFU ALL U N00BS IM RNAK 3!!!1!1!!1," and spams his /rank emote? Some of the most clueless players can easily get their hands on fame and rank. So again, Rank=Skill? Hardly.

But about the OP's topic, a rank reset would be extremely unfair to those who actually worked hard to obtain their fame/rank. A-Net will find a way to better distinguish skilled players from fools, it's best we trust them and leave it in their hands.

play with people/guildgroups you know, it's 1) more fun 2) higher chance of succes 3) free of any "rank-elistism"

i rarely play tombs, roughly 95% of my pvp-time is GvG, so i'm "only" rank 4, that does not mean i suck at tombs or that i have too little experience down there to perform well. that simply means i don't spend half my life down there

yeah, i do believe some "newer" players will have a hard time starting tombs. But simply keep trying, join a pvp guild (nothing elite, just guys that pvp regularly together) and you'll soon know enough ppl to whisper for groups

reset rank all you want, i wouldn't care ... (bambi's ftw)

There will always a need for a non ts/vent build which is easy to understand. The simpel reason is that many players don't want to get on ts/vent for obvious reasons (annoying kids, just to name one of them). If IWAY, MF or EoE-bomb will be completely nerfed, another non-communicationbuild will be invented.

Anet knows very well that many players are reluctant to use ts/vent, therefor they will never nerf all builds which don't require communication. If they would do that, they would lose a lot of players.

But to come back at topic. I agree with the ppl who said that rank only resembles the time you've spend in HA. The ammount of fame in no way determines how good a player can play a certain build. There are enough rank 9 players who've never iwayed, spiked etc, who still can't play every profession at a very high lvl. Ppl will play what they like most. So if a r9 got all his fame by playing as a monk, will he be a good warrior-caller automaticly? Not likely, that player has to practise that as well to become good at it, for the simple fact that it's totally different.

The only way IMO to solve the rankproblem, is that players stick longer together, even if they lose in a stupid way. First: it saves everyone time finding a new team. Second: the teams players have to get used to eachothers playingstyle. Third: you just have to accept the fact that ppl have to learn it one way or another.

When a team stays together for a long period of time, they can give eachother tips, try out new stuff, etc etc, making everyone more skillfull in the end.

I think having this kinda attitude when playing pvp, makes everybody a lot happier. But............it is wishfull thinking that will ever happen.

The time of the KD/AS smite-teams where u could find a team in less than a minute, and ppl just had fun playing pvp, disregarding if a match went good or bad, are far far behind us.

A Simple metaphor will express my opinion:

Halls-teams are like gvg-guilds
Why don't you hold halls? Because you're not good enough.
Why aren't you in a top 30 gvg guild?Because you're not good enough.

To hold halls you need experience, capability, and a firm leadership similar to GvG, rank allows this experience to be seen, now you can go jabber on about how you own your mursaat and this makes you a good monk but you are wrong beyond any extent, you have NO pvp experience and in my eyes, you are not a good player(for pvp). Rank distinguishes experience/winning ability in tombs from the unexperienced, I for one would not like to have noobs running around saying "Omg i played tombs for 8 months..omg!!" and getting into top groups only ot bring the standard down.

Let it be noted that anytime anyone makes a thread on the topic of removing rank or changing the way it works, no one ever makes an alternative suggestion that doesn't have a major flaw in it. There isn't a better alternative to ranking than the way it's done now. It's not perfect, nothing is, but it's a hell of a lot better than the crappy ideas you all think up and suggest. Get over it. Everyone has to work their way up the rank ladder. Contrary to the denial of noobs, rank does have something to do with skill. Some ppl have skills flat out, meaning they'll generally play well in the game regardless of their experience. But you also need experience to know how to solve certain problems when facing an enemy, and making small second by second decisions that can decide ones win or loss. I don't care how well you think you are. If you are better than people that are the same rank as you, then you'll climb above your rank faster than those aronud you. But regardless of your skill you still have to climb. We all did. Everyone had to start out at rank 0, and everyone had to have a difficult time finding a PUG team until they got a higher rank. Go with your guild if you need a team. Your guild doesn't tomb much? Find a new guild. When I was low rank I was often irritated that I couldn't find groups faster, because I knew I could play better than the other ppl around me. So what did I do? Well, one thing I didn't do is come onto a forum and whine my ass off about it. Instead of wasting my time complaining I did something productive. I waited and worked to get into groups, and tried to make a name for myself so ppl would add me to their F-list and reinvite me. So I did, and so I rose above my rank. If you ppl that make these threads keep it up, you're never gonna get a good rank. You spend all your time whining and having a bad mood and not enough time just playing. You deserve to have a low rank. Someone mentioned the good old smiting days, which indeed were good times. But those times are over, we can never go back to that way of tombing. Instead of mope about it get over it and move forward. In life you can't go backwards, and you always have to press yourself forward even when stuff is tough. If you can't even do that in a game, I don't know how you manage in the real world.

i can write a lot of thing about what you say , about how stupid it will be , how unfair , it will destroy one of most driving goal of HA , but i will just say

wont be our loss (yes i will rage quit if i lose my tiger) it will be arena.net financial lose
so stop wishing arena.net will solve the probrem for you.

I usually join in group (or when im leader) who kick out annoying people...
that is not a good reason to not use vent.

if the leader dont do that probably he wont be able to impose the strategy(or dont have it) to make the group work well ...

rank has nothing to do with skill anymore...
people just iway and iway some more to get up to rank 6/9
there could be rank 3's that are way better than most of the iway rank 6's and 9's because they could play more different builds, or gotten experience and knowledge from gvg

I agree, however many ppl, and how can I say this nicely, well they are afraid to get flamed on ts/vent if something goes wrong.

I personally dont care getting flamed, I live in a rough neighbourhood so im kinda used to "rude" behaviour However treating someone and being treated with respect is of course the best way to go. But thats a bit off-topic.

But as others have said already, there's no good alternative to the ranksystem, so we just have to live with it and make the best of it.

And about rankresets, u cant compare it to the laddereset. The guildladder is a competition, just like baseball or soccer. Every new season teams can try to win the championship. Rank is something personal, just like a player in a sportsteam. Every individual has a reputation. If a player doesnt perform well in a sportsteam he will be kicked or the coach will ask him to change so that he will play better. It's the same in GW. Nomatter which rank you have, if you play bad, you'll either get kicked or ull be critisized so that you improve your game.

If GW players wanna be/stay good at what they're doing, they have to practise, nomatter which rank they have.

Wow, this thread seems to be a complain thread to me. A guy just starts halls and he cannot get into the elite groups. Why is that anyone's problem but his own? I see plenty of non rank groups go into HA; maybe they suck, maybe they don't. How people get their ranks is entirely their choice. Its a goddamn game, so let people have their fun.

Same, i have no idea whose side hes on

Not my problem... I'm rank 5 I don't care either way... I'm just sick of the argument... My sarcasm was suppose to reflect that...

Make it so everyone has to beat the zaishen challenge and elite missions, and the 5 consecutive random and team arena victories... just like the new people have to do.

It might just teach people how to do pvp, as it was intended.

Then some of the ranked people might actually be skilled.

i agree with choo

lets not fool ourselves, higher ranks tend to be "better" players that lower ranks at a pretty high correlation
thats why a r9 team will beat a r3 team 9 times out of 10

heck even i can say that I have become a better overall player as I progressed through ranks

IWAY basically killed the fun, along with a few other flavor of the month builds, of HoH.

Now it's to a point where if you dont have your own group already, you'll need to run IWAY, have teamspeak/vent, and rank 3+ to have any chance of getting into a group, just to farm for more fame.

HoH has really lost the thrill of battle, in comparison to say 8 months ago, hardly anyone these days tries new strategies there, no offense to people who legitly gained higher ranks, good for them.

Granted I've never been much of a pvp lover with Guild Wars (played since day 1 and im still rank 1), I do think something needs to change to fix all of this, but of what needs changing, I cannot fully say.

i was thinking why dont they jsut make heroes acent random team. all you do is click and there you go your in a party and if you leave well they could just take some fame from them. i dont care what u think but thats my idea dont like it owell personal opinion.

I havent used my /rank emote in 2 months.

Rank is pointless. Get friends that know you're good.

All the real compitition is in gvg anyway.

Not after it.

yah iway ruined it all that seems to be the reason that all these r3 and what not poped up becaulse nobody wants noobs and so if u havent done halls before ur screwed... or atleas may as well be... but i have seen some major noobs a iway player that i saw had all the sperits no pet and eviscrete right after i told him the build... i hate when ppl tell me they have the build then they dont its such a let down and he was r3 i think he paid for his rang i hate those kinda ppl...