March 2 skill balance update!
King Kong
Ive just gone back and done the Recruits for Hollis quest 
KurtTheBehemoth
I'm about to be really pissed. I can't believe that none of you feel the same way. Don't you see whats happening. They nerfed farming. Now the rich will stay rich and the poor will quit the game. Good job Arena Net another smooth move Ex lax.
Savio
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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth
I'm about to be really pissed. I can't believe that none of you feel the same way. Don't you see whats happening. They nerfed farming. Now the rich will stay rich and the poor will quit the game. Good job Arena Net another smooth move Ex lax.
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Gonzo
They nerved the easiest farming place. O NOES now you actually have to do something when farming.
Raxxman
thing that gets me is Riposte, Deadly Riposte were to me much better than Shield bash anyway. Now Sheild bash gets the nerf bat, while the Riposte boys get the steriod injections. Now you can do 150 dammage in a single counter and cause bleeding with just 2 skills.
Upping evis doesn't do much as most people wait till ex is recharged to use it in a tight string.
oh and shields up is nerfed for me
1% less chance to block. Oh noes!
Upping evis doesn't do much as most people wait till ex is recharged to use it in a tight string.
oh and shields up is nerfed for me
1% less chance to block. Oh noes!
Kassad
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Originally Posted by Savio
I don't know what you're talking about, as I'm getting enough rares and my new green staff from these scarabs.
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DJ Josh
gutted about the drift box(didn't farm it my self because it's just to long and boring waiting to get something of use)because i was hoping the crystalline prices would start falling.they realy need to boost the drops on these a little then maybe the people like me who don't camp on the high-end forum with there amazing amounts of ecto can have a chance of getting 1 or at least a nice green version,preferably not vamp this time,the same as they did with the rare axes.
nice to see more buffs than nerfs this time although neither the buffs or nerfs have effected any of my builds but saying that i may have to add gash and rodgort's to my respective skill bars(will try them out later).
bit strange how they have only added a monk green this time and none for any 1 else.shield bonus sounds ok but not gonna run out to find 1.
and no shocking or ebon dragon sword
unless that is a secret addition,we can but hope though.
nice to see more buffs than nerfs this time although neither the buffs or nerfs have effected any of my builds but saying that i may have to add gash and rodgort's to my respective skill bars(will try them out later).
bit strange how they have only added a monk green this time and none for any 1 else.shield bonus sounds ok but not gonna run out to find 1.
and no shocking or ebon dragon sword
unless that is a secret addition,we can but hope though.
Thrawn Foxheed
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Originally Posted by trecca
imho Practiced Stance was underpowered (and useful with only one preparation), now it's right
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Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by Cottage Pie
(it's a derogatory term like calling chinese farmers 'bots')
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I.e., they are commercial farmers who are thought to be using bots for their farming.
As for the update, I think it's mainly good. I also think some of the more curious changes may be to bring especially monk and warrior skills in line with ritualist and assassin skills.
EDIT: I forgot... I'm disappointed they didn't fix the stupid keg/book/gear tank exploit, though.
QoH
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Originally Posted by Tsunami Rain
Removed chests from Dreadnought’s Drift and Ice Floe.
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Was happy seeing they boosted riposte, deadly riposte so i can speed up chest runs, but then no chests
Almighty Zi
I think the update is fair. I was hoping that they would up the cost of gale and crip shot. They were way overused before. The update is just enough to still keep them effective though.
I'm happy the fire ele got a buff. I don't play one myself but I can see many interesting builds with fire eles becoming popular.
As far as monks go, the 20% sacrifice on OoB isn't really going to hurt anyone. Monks will just have to be more careful when getting low on health. Mend ailment took a bit of a toning down but I don't think that leaving a condition on for 5 seconds is going to effect things too much. I think its interesting that they buffed aura of faith and brought peace and harmony up to scratch. I don't think that P&H will now become the 1st choice energy management for monks though, it doesn't really give that much energy compared with the popular energy management skills for monks and is shatterbait in my opinion. Perhaps it will become used more in PvE now with 1 monk maintaining it on himself and his fellow monk.
Distortion got a knock but not too badly to break many builds. The breakpoint for 2 energy loss per evade is now 8 illusion compared to 4 before the update so it will be interesting to see how this effects things.
I'm a little surprised with mantra of resolve being rebalanced. I'm not sure that it needed it. Especially now that practiced stance (the choking gas spammer's friend) got buffed.
The main thing that I am the most pleased with is the fixing of the increased attack speed buffs. This was way overdue. Now that order of the vamp wont work on targets already with an necro enchantment IWAYers will have to think about their builds. I don't think this will break ranger spike though because a good team can kill with just one order.
And finally, my most favourite random arena skill got put on steriods.... ineptitude. Used to do about 87 damage at 16 illusion now does about 142! Its quality to tag those pesky interupt spamming rangers with this beauty. It may now be finally worthy of elite status. Oh what fun.
Wow, this post is way longer than what I had planned. My apologies to those that have read it all.
I'm happy the fire ele got a buff. I don't play one myself but I can see many interesting builds with fire eles becoming popular.
As far as monks go, the 20% sacrifice on OoB isn't really going to hurt anyone. Monks will just have to be more careful when getting low on health. Mend ailment took a bit of a toning down but I don't think that leaving a condition on for 5 seconds is going to effect things too much. I think its interesting that they buffed aura of faith and brought peace and harmony up to scratch. I don't think that P&H will now become the 1st choice energy management for monks though, it doesn't really give that much energy compared with the popular energy management skills for monks and is shatterbait in my opinion. Perhaps it will become used more in PvE now with 1 monk maintaining it on himself and his fellow monk.
Distortion got a knock but not too badly to break many builds. The breakpoint for 2 energy loss per evade is now 8 illusion compared to 4 before the update so it will be interesting to see how this effects things.
I'm a little surprised with mantra of resolve being rebalanced. I'm not sure that it needed it. Especially now that practiced stance (the choking gas spammer's friend) got buffed.
The main thing that I am the most pleased with is the fixing of the increased attack speed buffs. This was way overdue. Now that order of the vamp wont work on targets already with an necro enchantment IWAYers will have to think about their builds. I don't think this will break ranger spike though because a good team can kill with just one order.
And finally, my most favourite random arena skill got put on steriods.... ineptitude. Used to do about 87 damage at 16 illusion now does about 142! Its quality to tag those pesky interupt spamming rangers with this beauty. It may now be finally worthy of elite status. Oh what fun.
Wow, this post is way longer than what I had planned. My apologies to those that have read it all.
Studio Ghibli
I love the changes to Prophet's Path.
Not only are the item drops nice, it's.. clever.
I love the new monsters.
And I love how it's a finger in the face of botters.
Not only are the item drops nice, it's.. clever.
I love the new monsters.
And I love how it's a finger in the face of botters.
yesitsrob
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| I don't think this will break ranger spike though because a good team can kill with just one order. |
I don't think 3 man ranger teams will work too well anymore though - I do believe with 1 order they will kill - obviously there's perhaps not a need to go 3 anymore - could just go 4.... or 3 and something else - obviously the 2nd order is pointless now
, but the common build will have to be re-adjusted to find room for martyr and shield of deflection if they are wish to be kept. that's for tombs anyway.Perhaps spiking with punishing as opposed to savage might be a bit more common now - it only took 2 rangers with punishing and 2x orders to spike out the majority of targets - I'm sure 3 and 1 order could do a lot of damage too, or 4 and 1 order.
I believe the OoV nerf to be one of the harshest, I'll manage
Gale nerf was probably overly harsh too
Ineptitude could be absolutely awesome now - catch them bastard warriors on frenzy
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| I'm about to be really pissed. I can't believe that none of you feel the same way. Don't you see whats happening. They nerfed farming. Now the rich will stay rich and the poor will quit the game. Good job Arena Net another smooth move Ex lax. |
If you care about farming so much you should just play a game that is dedicated to grinding, obviously gw is not for you
kvndoom
Geesh, one farming spot got nerfed and everyone cries "end of the world." Hardly! Expand your horizons! With these stance buffs, there is some SERIOUS ass-kicking just waiting to happen! I already see a ton of potential, which I will be working on this weekend. One of my favorite builds in particular will be EXTREMELY powerful now. Damn, these next 2 hours before I get off work are gonna be PAINFULLY long...
Cottage Pie
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
No, it's not. A 'bot' in this context is someone using automation for in-game actions, aka 'scripts', and the commercial farmers, who happen to be mainly chinese, are known to frequently do so.
I.e., they are commercial farmers who are thought to be using bots for their farming. As for the update, I think it's mainly good. I also think some of the more curious changes may be to bring especially monk and warrior skills in line with ritualist and assassin skills. EDIT: I forgot... I'm disappointed they didn't fix the stupid keg/book/gear tank exploit, though. |
loads of players call chinese farmers bots, when I know theres another human at the other end as i've spoken to them, it's just a catch all phrase for the automatonous nature of what they do. sure there are bots, I reckon loads of the sellers in international district augury are just automated programs sho wu qi 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 heh, but a fair few of the farmers are not bots/they are people
Ate of DK
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
except IWAY is officially nerfed
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IWAY is not nerfed, its weakened. I entered Int. 1 "Heroes Ascent" and saw IWAY's gathering allready. The reduced attackspeed won't make that much of a difference. IWAY still triggers on pets and I honestly haven't seen that IWAY's used minions. The orders don't stack, good. But one will still be up.
Making the orders not stacking is against R-spike with 3 rangers. A R-spike with 4 rangers won't feel it. They only need one order.
Why didn't they adjust EoE or NR. Would have been much cooler.
Make NR an elite
John Bloodstone
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Originally Posted by yesitsrob
I'm glad martyr didn't get nerfed
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yesitsrob
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I would have been happy enough with increased energy cost
Another thing worth mentioning is the resetting of adrenaline on res sig - which was due as well. Warriors always benefited the most from res sigs - this is definitely a step in the right direction.
And the hard res buffs are interesting - which makes gvg resmers a bit better. and perhaps a home could be found for them in HA builds
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It's going to take some getting used to the Mend Ailment, Holy Veil, and OoB changes I think myself, maybe draw conditions is a very good option now so you can bring the conditions to yourself before mending them, not like that was ever a bad option or anything
I can't wait to get home from this damned university!
Ensign
Bull's Strike and Bull's Charge are really hot now. You can't just sidestep to make them useless anymore, they're going to be rocking people.
Shadow of Fear just got a triple buff - the hex helm that neutered it is gone, the bug that held it at 33% instead of 50% is fixed, and they halved the recharge. It was a decent to good skill before and now it's retarded. Expect to see it everywhere.
Order of the Vampire got obliterated.
Honestly I don't see this update having too big of an impact. All of the terrible skills that were touched are still terrible for the same reasons they were terrible before. The metagame isn't going to shift much, it's still going to be Warriors (Bull's instead of Gale) + Dom Mesmers + Cripshot (though only one now) + Boonprots + Heal Party. The number of changes makes me feel like they wanted to shake things up a bit, but the quality says that were afraid of any serious change.
We'll see how big of an impact the few big changes (those 3 buffs above, plus the Gale nerf) end up having.
Peace,
-CxE
Shadow of Fear just got a triple buff - the hex helm that neutered it is gone, the bug that held it at 33% instead of 50% is fixed, and they halved the recharge. It was a decent to good skill before and now it's retarded. Expect to see it everywhere.
Order of the Vampire got obliterated.
Honestly I don't see this update having too big of an impact. All of the terrible skills that were touched are still terrible for the same reasons they were terrible before. The metagame isn't going to shift much, it's still going to be Warriors (Bull's instead of Gale) + Dom Mesmers + Cripshot (though only one now) + Boonprots + Heal Party. The number of changes makes me feel like they wanted to shake things up a bit, but the quality says that were afraid of any serious change.
We'll see how big of an impact the few big changes (those 3 buffs above, plus the Gale nerf) end up having.
Peace,
-CxE
DJ Josh
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Originally Posted by yesitsrob
you should just play a game that is dedicated to grinding, obviously gw is not for you
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S E V E R
They've nerfed crippling shot for sure, 15 energy cost! Guess it's time to take expertise more seriously...
PaladinofRa
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Peewee
nice, better balancing of skills there. Doubtless ppl are going to start getting hot under the collar about gale, crippling shot etc, but finally perhaps people will think of new builds, rather than copying others, and complaining when they get nerfed. sigh.
I am glad fevered dreams has been improved, i think it has great potential. It did have a hug, which meant it only affected adjacent targets, but thankfully it has been ironed out. So to has epidemic, reducing its cost to a mere 10, rather than outrageous 15 it was before.
why have they not fixed lightning touch? grr...
I am glad fevered dreams has been improved, i think it has great potential. It did have a hug, which meant it only affected adjacent targets, but thankfully it has been ironed out. So to has epidemic, reducing its cost to a mere 10, rather than outrageous 15 it was before.
why have they not fixed lightning touch? grr...
S E V E R
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Originally Posted by Savio
Fixed miscellaneous bugs with the wurm monster AI.
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stealthzor
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Originally Posted by S E V E R
By 'Fixed' does this mean they're even more badass than before?
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nah it just mean they attack now
i have countered em b4 they just make me fall and they dont attack me
milan
All in all a pretty fine balancing. Monks and mesmers bent over for it but everything still works and plenty of ways to work around.
I'm impressed, I've been dreading waking up and seeing this string appearing for the last couple of weeks.
I'm impressed, I've been dreading waking up and seeing this string appearing for the last couple of weeks.
Vermilion Okeanos
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Originally Posted by Peewee
I am glad fevered dreams has been improved, i think it has great potential.
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I had been using fevered dream before the patch without any illusion magic (timing the condition skills) with its 4 sec duration. Now 10 sec duration and 10 sec recharge...
Why are they advertising fevered dream so much?
Kabale
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Shusky
Griffon Farming nerfed. Hydra and Troll spokesmen quoted saying: 'oh f**k.'
And the new exhaustion mechanics was enough of a nerf for gale, imo. Is there any logical reason to use it at all now?
And the new exhaustion mechanics was enough of a nerf for gale, imo. Is there any logical reason to use it at all now?
LouAl
I say its about time on lowering the cost of Mantra of Recovery. It could use longer duration or shorter cooldown though. It is now *maybe* a little better than serpents quickness.
All in all it is a great update IMO.
Although...has anyone tried to solo the scarabs with a 55 hp toon? It seems that they have more than just well of the profane that drops your enchants (but I haven't figured out what?!?!). I went out just to see if it was possible if a person was veerrry careful and I died right after they start attacking me. Hmmm, oh well, it works great to 2-person the scarabs.
All in all it is a great update IMO.
Although...has anyone tried to solo the scarabs with a 55 hp toon? It seems that they have more than just well of the profane that drops your enchants (but I haven't figured out what?!?!). I went out just to see if it was possible if a person was veerrry careful and I died right after they start attacking me. Hmmm, oh well, it works great to 2-person the scarabs.
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by Cottage Pie
loads of players call chinese farmers bots, when I know theres another human at the other end as i've spoken to them,
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Raxxman
Things I've just realised.
They still haven't addressed the knights/ascalon armour issue. It's still better to use just once peice of the armour.
The Hex helm is nerfed beyond use. 33% would of been better I think, but meh.
They still haven't addressed the knights/ascalon armour issue. It's still better to use just once peice of the armour.
The Hex helm is nerfed beyond use. 33% would of been better I think, but meh.
legendel
have they fixed blood stained boots yet?
Avarre
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Originally Posted by milan
Monks and mesmers bent over for it but everything still works and plenty of ways to work around.
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TideSwayer
Thumbs up for the way they nerfed Griffin farming with style. Long before word got out that the scarab queen dropped a nice green prot staff, people were forming groups in Augury to go kill her merely out of spite. It was awesome. I have to say though, that the Griffons and Minotaurs in Prophet's aren't too happy about the scarab move-in. While it's a fruitless fight (ie. they die quickly at the hands of the little buggers), they still go after those scarabs with every ounce of heart in their bodies.
I love how great the drops from the scarabs are now (lots of golds and dyes), but I won't love them all dropping mandibles or whatever by this time next week.
I love how great the drops from the scarabs are now (lots of golds and dyes), but I won't love them all dropping mandibles or whatever by this time next week.
Grimm
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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth
I'm about to be really pissed. I can't believe that none of you feel the same way. Don't you see whats happening. They nerfed farming. Now the rich will stay rich and the poor will quit the game. Good job Arena Net another smooth move Ex lax.
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wolfe2dale
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Originally Posted by Grimm
All the wonderful balances and all you can do is whine about farming. Either suck it up or play another game. I get so sick of people biching about their farming spots being nerfed. Boo-f**king-hoo!
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I agree
torquemada
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Originally Posted by Lord Cooper
yay my pyro's fave nuke spell got a buff!!! rodgorts invocation ftw
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Gonna try some burnout combos with those pesky lil scarabs (my personal arch-nemesis
I'm glad for Augury farming nerf, I am! No more griffon farming, it was waaaay too easy! They put a new boss with minions (probably drops, didnt't try) and people actually cry! Jeez like fake money's actually worth something... And if it gives runners a headache....well, buy a motorcycle!
thelessa
So let me get this straight. If i cast OoV and then OoP it will work just fine. But I would have to wait until OoP is over to recast OoV? For both of these to be effective?
Savio
A couple of notes:
1. They didn't mention in the notes that Vampiric weapon damage displays properly. I've heard Sundering damage also displays, but reports have yet to come in of any increased damage from that. (Note: that last line is sarcasm.)
2. Unless I'm really, really blind, upping the Adrenaline cost on Eviscerate didn't do anything.
3. I hate you Vilaptca, you stole my Staves.
1. They didn't mention in the notes that Vampiric weapon damage displays properly. I've heard Sundering damage also displays, but reports have yet to come in of any increased damage from that. (Note: that last line is sarcasm.)
2. Unless I'm really, really blind, upping the Adrenaline cost on Eviscerate didn't do anything.
3. I hate you Vilaptca, you stole my Staves.