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Originally Posted by Moltov joss
Explain or you suck!
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Troll Cave ftw!
March 2 skill balance update!
Riceboi
Troll Cave ftw!
Theos
And since its a series of updates... Trolls will fall victim to Dryder Queens!
Grimm
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Originally Posted by Retribution X
Has anyone noticed that warriors are Favored by anet? they get some new shields, and ALL the changes were for the better.
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The majority of changes for all classes were buffs. Only overused skills were toned down.
Quit your whining and make a new build.
the phantom king
Yeh i found farming the scarabs quite easy, especially with a pro nuker, she stays in one spot now and doesnt move but the drops are C.R.A.P. this may be a new fun farming spot and i certainly agree so but you cant earn hardly anything from it, the staff came out and i was expecting sumthing along the lines of about 70k+ like the New UW items were but it was a measly 30k.
Virulence isnt really a problem either if your not stupid, just dont run into traps and it wont bother you, the scarabs are basically minotaurs who can steal health when they are low.
I would like to see some bosses drop greens around ELC or in major missions like Thunderhead keep, at least then if you keep dying its something too come back for rather than just giving up.
Btw you can still griffon farm but its a pain in the arse too get too, but if you have a brain you shud farm sand wurms and hope for a shell, its basically 1 griffon run in 1 drop. WoH might be more useful now too as OoB takes away 20%, in 3 OoBs you can get another monk too heal you with WoH and it should be a walk in the park.
Glad the dreadnoughts chest was nerfed too, there was like a 500:1 chance of gettin sumthin good. it really wastes time on people, Especially people i like too call the "I'm a Hero look at me" Wammo's.
Virulence isnt really a problem either if your not stupid, just dont run into traps and it wont bother you, the scarabs are basically minotaurs who can steal health when they are low.
I would like to see some bosses drop greens around ELC or in major missions like Thunderhead keep, at least then if you keep dying its something too come back for rather than just giving up.
Btw you can still griffon farm but its a pain in the arse too get too, but if you have a brain you shud farm sand wurms and hope for a shell, its basically 1 griffon run in 1 drop. WoH might be more useful now too as OoB takes away 20%, in 3 OoBs you can get another monk too heal you with WoH and it should be a walk in the park.
Glad the dreadnoughts chest was nerfed too, there was like a 500:1 chance of gettin sumthin good. it really wastes time on people, Especially people i like too call the "I'm a Hero look at me" Wammo's.
Grimm
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Originally Posted by Don Vito Corleone
this is the worst nerf ever in all games history
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the phantom king
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Originally Posted by Grimm
It costs 5 more than it used to. Boo hoo.
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stokey
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Originally Posted by Grimm
It costs 5 more than it used to. Boo hoo.
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stokey
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Originally Posted by the phantom king
I think its the fact its for 8 seconds or less really but really Throw Dirt would be a better skill to take, Get a Ranger hammer and use throw dirt and belly smash for better blinding. But overall i do have to agree with Grimm
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twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by stokey
Doesn't anybody understand the concept of expertise? If you ran 14 expertise with the old crip shot, it would be 4 energy. Right now, you run 15 expertise to make it 5 energy. 1 more energy and 1 more att point. The main nerf that I see is the 1...8 range. Now you actually have to put points into marks. I don't think it's worth the elite slot now...even though it is spammable and can't be evaded/blocked. I have to test it against pin down to check efficiency.
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Change w/e to w/mo.
Replace gale with bull strike and add cop. Windbourn speed + charge spam is owning. There is no need for cripple shot when you can knockdown every 5 seconds with no drawback. Since you are not using a stance for running you can use frenzy at the same time.
So lets recap. Knockdown, IAS, and 33%+ running speed at the same time. Self hex and condition removal with cop. W/mo just became the most powerful war.
Blessed Winds
Minion Factory is dead now...there's a recharge for ressurect -.-
kais
bull s charge is now officially the new gale. And no exhaustion with it too.
great...
great...
Linkusmax
Stop complaining about cripshot water eles are probably better then them for GvG.
Nightwish
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Originally Posted by kais
bull s charge is now officially the new gale. And no exhaustion with it too.
great... |
the phantom king
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Originally Posted by stokey
crip shot doesnt blind
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TMWNN
anyone who gets any fun out of farming trolls is obviously brain dead, I often run through that cave on my way to the material crafter and those trolls drop paracticlly nothing, If i get a blue i'm doing exceptionally well.
Ensign
Expertise reduces Cripshot to 7, not 5. It's pretty spendy now, a Cripshot guy with Apply Poison burns through energy like mad. He's not the force in an 8v8 confrontation that he used to be, when he could keep two guys locked down nigh-permanently.
He's still dangerous 1v1, though, so he still has a place as a specialized character. It should be interesting to see how teams adapt to fight 'em.
Peace,
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He's still dangerous 1v1, though, so he still has a place as a specialized character. It should be interesting to see how teams adapt to fight 'em.
Peace,
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Mercury Angel
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Originally Posted by kais
bull s charge is now officially the new gale. And no exhaustion with it too.
great... |
Bull's Charge is only movement control in melee. As of the update, moving foes with skills queued aren't interrupted, so that's not at all a factor anymore.
They're not really in the same league.
twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by kais
bull s charge is now officially the new gale. And no exhaustion with it too.
great... |
Mysterial
I don't know if this is an actual skill change or just a description change, but in addition to the (useless) Poison duration change on Chilblains, it now also has an AoE of "in the area".
Age
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Originally Posted by twicky_kid
We have abandoned cripple shot.
Change w/e to w/mo. Replace gale with bull strike and add cop. Windbourn speed + charge spam is owning. There is no need for cripple shot when you can knockdown every 5 seconds with no drawback. Since you are not using a stance for running you can use frenzy at the same time. So lets recap. Knockdown, IAS, and 33%+ running speed at the same time. Self hex and condition removal with cop. W/mo just became the most powerful war. |
Soul Shaker
crippling shot just got rooted up the arse with an 8 foot long pole, my mend ailment is now bloody hard to use (so many conditions in the desert it's not funny), hooray for Mark of Protection, but it still sucks monkey nuts with the recharge, and i'll be swapping it out soon...
Jetdoc
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Originally Posted by twicky_kid
Forget bull charge. Bull strike is where its at. +20 dmg 5e 5 recharge. I'll take my gale with some dmg
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This may be the "stay and fight like a man" skill I've been waiting for.
moriz
use shock for knockdown. its got a shorter range, but a warrior's supposed to be a touch-range character anyways.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Age
You could always use the bane signet with hardly any points in it.This is unless you want to invest points in smiting.
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labsenpai
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Originally Posted by Soul Shaker
my mend ailment is now bloody hard to use (so many conditions in the desert it's not funny..
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Age
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Originally Posted by Savio
Bane Signet? You mean that one Smiting signet with a 25 second recharge? I'll pass. I'd rather play with Protector's Strike and Bull's Strike which already gain a benefit from the attributes I've already invested in, so I'm doing even more damage on top of getting my knockdown.
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Guardian of the Light
There is no single skill to replace the nerfed ones. Anet buffed a lot of skills and nerfed a few so we can get creative and use what skills what.
THATS WHAT THIS UPDATE WAS FOR!!
THATS WHAT THIS UPDATE WAS FOR!!
Andy_M
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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light
There is no single skill to replace the nerfed ones. Anet buffed a lot of skills and nerfed a few so we can get creative and use what skills what.
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Guardian of the Light
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Originally Posted by Andy_M
While I am happy that beastmastery is now worth my time, the question has to be why all the changes ? Just for PvP ?
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Grimm
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Originally Posted by Andy_M
While I am happy that beastmastery is now worth my time, the question has to be why all the changes ? Just for PvP ?
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dargon
Nope, not just PvP, skills are balanced around usage in general. If you see 1500 people all using the exact same set of skills with only a couple minor differences (ie cleave instead of eviserate), then either the other skills aren't up to snuff or the skills in the build are a little too powerful. This is, for the most part, how ANet decides what to nerf/buff, hence the changes to skull crack, crippling shot, interrupts, etc.
Phoenix Ex
1 thing I wonder is how come all the buffs are so superficial like 1 sec less recharge and 10 more damage or 0.25 faster cast that barely makes that much of a difference, while all the nerfs are double sac, no stacking this enchantment, extra energy by 5, etc etc....there are exceptions of course by what I see is that most of the buffs are rather redundant...is the faster cast time for firestorm and chaos storm gonna make a difference?
From what I see, it is almost impossible to completely balance the skills.
Ex. Long ago E-Drain dominated, then that got nerfed, and OOB stands out, now OoB got nerfed, and Mantra of Recall stands out...now I don't think MoR will be nerfed since its already so sub par.
The problem is that now after all these nerfs we are left with all these supposedly "elite" energy managements to choose from, which I don't find that elite at all.
I can so predict that people will eventually realize all the elite energy skills are so sub par it would be better just NOT to use them at all and just go back to Word of Healing and putting as many e-denial as possible to take advantage of the lack of a good energy management.
From what I see, it is almost impossible to completely balance the skills.
Ex. Long ago E-Drain dominated, then that got nerfed, and OOB stands out, now OoB got nerfed, and Mantra of Recall stands out...now I don't think MoR will be nerfed since its already so sub par.
The problem is that now after all these nerfs we are left with all these supposedly "elite" energy managements to choose from, which I don't find that elite at all.
I can so predict that people will eventually realize all the elite energy skills are so sub par it would be better just NOT to use them at all and just go back to Word of Healing and putting as many e-denial as possible to take advantage of the lack of a good energy management.
crimsonfilms
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ANet has that kind of data. The slight adjustments are made in order to make minor tweaks. If ANet wanted to increase say Hex damage by 10 percent they may increase recharge time of a hex removal spell by x amount (Holy Veil for example).
ANet can also force users to reconsider other skills that is underused. For example, the nerf on Mend Ailment has people using Mend Condition a lot more, which in turn affects the total monk build because Mend Condition cannot be used on the caster.
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Which is better than the 3 now? That is up to you and the the way your oppenents play (aka the 'metagame').
BTW - they are very much still elite skills. No one in their right mind would compare Energy Tap in the same category as Energy Drain.
ANet has a difficult job because their skills are very condition depended. So it is hard how to predict how a skill or skillset will behave once it gets on the hands of little teen aga boys.