You all know IWAY, you all know SHEEP...

Ok. Since the last update a few things where done to help the huge usage of IWAY. I for one is not against IWAY and not for it either. But what I am agaisnt are these god forsaken SHEEP... Yes the 55hp Monk, Necro and whats now catching on the 55 Mesmers and soon to be Elementalists.

You guys saw all the hundreds of threads about how IWAY should be "Nerfed" and how it ruining the game... There where many thousands of threads on how it is putting an end the meaning of Fame Points and that the Rank 3++ players earned it all through IWAY. And many other rants where also voiced...

Well. Know look what the over usage of SHEEP of all kinds have done to the Griffon Farming and look at the price of many items that have crashed in price since the birth of these. Now, I prefer abit more skill to be applied when I farm but yes I did go to the Griffons from time to time and it wasnt JUST the SHEEP that caused the "nerf". But, if anyone like me who went into Augury and stood next to the gate you could count 3 Warriors for every 10 Mo/X that went by. So, I would'nt say that I am being unfair in saying its just the 55 generation. But the SHEEP certainly was the HUGE majority which contributed to it.

So, why arnt there all these hundreds of post complaining about how "55 monks, necros" are ruining farming? Everytime you try and enter a group these days you think you've got a monk but what do you know.. Its one of these tag along SHEEP who pretend to go "AFK" and let you all do the work while they can get through the game to ruin your farming experience. These SHEEP have even gone as far as joining a UW group to let you all die and then go on to farming them selves! And then they wait till they can pick up your drops. You just payed a maximum of 500g to have the worlds biggest TAG ALONG take your drops!

Lets think about this basicly. First, you get monks that are no help what so ever to your team so you have a hard time doing any missions. Then, you come to farming. Now look. Griffons are gone so you cant do that anymore... So, you try for a challenge. You goto UW. Finally you find a group! Its got a couple of monks. One of them is a SHEEP and lets you all die after paying upwards of 250g to enter. And then he takes your ecto that was rightfully your drop... I for one am sick of this. They even try to scam us Forge runners... "AFK!!" Some how I dont think so... It brings me great pleasure to kick them out of the group.

Guild Wars prides its self around the fact that its a team game. I dont think these SHEEP are playing in anyway a "Team" way... So, all the way through the game these SHEEP are ruining your gaming experience. Of course, there are so many of these SHEEP around that of course you meet a few good ones but... These SHEEP have already gone through the game so they couldnt be bothered to try and do it again... So, they try to do it as quick as they can. Why sit in front of the computer screen doing a mission you have already done once? Wouldnt it be so much easier to just go "AFK" and let the rest do the hard work?

The only way ANet did something, however small, about IWAY teams it was through US. The guys and girls that play the game! Voice your opinions and make them heard. Even if its FOR these SHEEP. I would love to hear what you have to say for the reason you farm so much with them. Its not like you run with them or help the new guys through Fort Ranik do you?

This is my opinion and I am dead certain that I am not alone in shearing it with many others. For those that are against these SHEEP please post. And for those of you that play as a SHEEP, please post!

AND PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU READ EVERYTHING BEFORE YOU POST ANY FLAMES... ITS OBVIOUS THIS THREAD IS GOING TO GET ALOT OF STICK. BUT LETS PLAY IT FAIR! READ AND SHARE OPINIONS!

Weeping Wind!

You aren't mentioning anything that hasn't been posted 100 times already in 100 different threads. But glad you got it off your chest

People farm with these builds because it is a way to be self reliant and not have to get burned by the afk'ers who don't contribute to the team or try to scam you.

Yes it is a team game, but it also can be done solo. Otherwise they wouldn't have the skill combinations available to let you solo, or wouldn't let you take henchmen.

Yes, yes we always get one or two who are what you state. What can you do NOTHING, what can we do? Only farm with GUILDIES, or trusted friends, and if none are on go PUG. Not like A.net will watch every farm group for your so called "sheep", PLUS AS STATED BEFORE, any freaking Monk with Monk/WARRIOR is a dang 55 monk. Please look at second profession, can't be stressed enough that ONLY 55 MONKS are Monk/Warrior.

Read up, great things off your chest and all but know the basics.

Ya know, instead of bringing monks along for farming in UW, just do ranger trapping. Don't need a monk, and can be done with 3 people (as long as all three aren't complete noobs).

You don't have to spend thousands of gold to buy monk runes, you don't need to complete a quest to get an offhand item, you don't need to worry about anything other than maxxing out your energy, expertise, and wilderness survival.

And you have really almost zero headaches. In fact, I'd say that ranger trapping in the UW is one of the more pleasant activities in the game. It's not very stressful. It doesn't take forever. You can actually talk while doing it. You can get really nice rares, ectos and a decent amount of gold, even with three players.

It's the nice social activity of the rangers, a fraternity of brothers that normally are dismissed in most other PVE locations.

i think your silly... so what that a group makes a 55 monk... so what you can count so many farming in certian spots... now i do agree with the gripping about the fake monk, thats crap, just like a hate a smite monk with a passion, since most of em get in group saying they are a healing monk, but so what about a 55 monk, they are limited to where they can farm, and i for one run many builds to solo allover the game warrior,necro,ranger and yes my 55 monk, there are places i cant take my monk so i use other things, your rant was a waste, except for the liars.

Well just ot let you know ele invinci is already here, i used it for griffon farming with Inferno, flamburst and phoenix, (Did a hell lot of dmg) its really easy but with scarabs now....

If u want to know my build its

16 Fire

8 energy

8 healing

8 prot


Use the area affecting spells but not one after the other cuz they run away

Run on sentences FTW!

[sarcasm]Mmm yeah what a silly billy he is. He actually uses more than one sentence in his posts. How silly.[/sarcasm]

Dude, he may have done a rant, but don't criticise him for doing so. It wasn't a waste. It's bringing up good discussion.

To the OP: anything from which there is good gain is going to attract people. As soon as people see others doing it, they're going to try it out, and thus, they are indeed 'sheep'. It can't be stopped. If so many people hadn't caught onto griffon farming, it may not have been nerfed, but unfortunately it's just the case that it was going to happen.

IMO, 55ing should have been nerfed along with griffoning. Now, it's going to boom even more. Shame really. There's an awful lot of these UW party-spoiling farmers, I really thought something would be done to 55ing. But no.

lol, I hope that misspelling was intentional

ugh, pve.

hm lets see, this is the same whiney thread people have been making since before prot bond got nerfed. "zomg i cant afford to rush an imonk, people shouldnt use them"

also you say your so-called sheepies are not playing as a team. surely you realize that every single person who 2mans the UW is in a team?

I do see your point about healer in Sheaps clothing, you should screen shot and send to Anet for scam by that monk to get there account banned.

Just like W/Mo are idiots, Mo/War are are farmers, E/Me are fire echo nukers (or use to be), etc there are perceptions that people have due to seeing more of that style of behavior in that job combo.

I can use my Mo/war as a 55hp monk or a full heal/protect (non 55) party.

I don't aggree that the 55hp is the issue about lack of healers. If someone is going to farm and say they make the 55hp monk unplayable, they just switch to x job that can still do it.

Someone not taking the role of healer that happens to have a job that could do it does not mean that want to be a healer.

I do aggree that people get sheep like when it comes to builds but what happens is people know what works and what doesn't and get in to habbits or patterns. That is why Anet shakes things up every now and then when some things get to much in to a rut.

I do miss the days when there were not "molds" that people want you to be in but those days are gone (when the game launched).

Anet does not mind farming per say actually unless they feel it throws things out of wack.

http://www.guildwars.com/press/inter...e-friday61.php

Hey art, thanks for contributing. Arent 55 monks in pvp too? Or am I wrong?

monks that lie about what they are to scam groups are dumb but that's something that can't be changed. No matter what get's nerfed/changed there will always be lamers out there in some form. I'm not aginst trying to prevent people from doin stuff that ruins the game but people will always find ways to scam others. It's rather sad.

You know it would be nice if we could see HP's in the party list before leaving town or going to UW/FoW/Tombs.

So we know before hand if they are 55's or not.

They can always change their armor and weapons after going in.

Well, if you see them switch to 55 hp, you can immediately try to do something nasty to them, like aggro degen mobs or all the aatxe's or something.

Unless Anet decides you cant change armor in UW/FoW/Tombs.. Would be handy :P

That would suck, I switch armor a lot depending on the enemies, it's a technique for optimal tanking, like switching weapons. Take the denravi helmet for example. Or one armor piece with a superior for when you attack and one with a minor for if you need more hp.

I agree that monks who enter into parties claiming to be healers then turning out to be 55ers are spoiling things, but otherwise I don't see too much of a problem. If people actually use the 55 build for soloing, then there's no issue unless the economy suffers a massive blow. My N/Mo can farm the scar and UW on his own (though admittedly I need practice in the UW). Two-man teams also seem perfectly legitimate. I don't think the build exploits any glitches either. Every part of the build is perfectly legitimate. I suppose this will all come down to how many people complain though.

Heres a stupid idea. Take a screenshot before zoning into UW of you, as the group leader, saying that any 55monk in your group should leave or asking if they are. When they go 55HP, take a screenshot fo them letting the team die and then running off on their own. Take several, with you're character asking for rez and accusing the 55HP monk of scamming the group.

Now: take those screenshots, and all your pent up frustration to http://support.plaync.com
and write a coherent letter explaining that this person scammed the group out of a plat so they could solo farm UW. Be nice; don't cuss, flame or demand justice for this atrocity. GMs don't want to be flamed any more than you do, and they're likely to read less than half of your complaint if all you do is flame how unfair/unjust is it to even have a 55HP monk inthe first place.

I've always been courteous when I report people abusing the system to Anet. i've always recieved courtesy in return. ANd they DO somthing about it. Just because they aren't allowed to tell you what they do for privacy reasons doesn't mean that guy didn't recieve a warning, a suspension, or a ban. Before i started reporting, I'd see the same guy once or twice in a group. After I report, I don't see them anymore. So, something is being done...as long as you report it and do so without ranting.

As to ALL 55HP MONKS ARE SHEEP as the OP seems to think:

Baa. mmmBaaa.

pve is for noobs w hy nerf it

Why not Grab 2 monks a nec and a ranger and farm ALL of Uw (including most quests) and have hell of a good time ?

I love my 55 monk I use him only for 2 man UW and then IDS runs on occasion. I think its a legit character and people shouldnt complain about it :P

anyone remember Absorbing in Diablo 2? and how people always cryed noob to someone who was smart and got something on that absorbed the damage he was taking? same deal here People are smart for being able to make themselves money.

However, Using a group in UW to make money is not cool. They should unnerf prot bonds

Just for you, unien: Anti sneak-ninja 55hp monk skills (as suggested in a previous thread I couldn't find):

Symbiosis: "Create a level 1...8 Spirit. For creatures within its range, for each Enchantment on a creature, that cretaure's maximum Health is increased by 27...125. This Spirit dies after 30...126 seconds."

Vital Blessing: "While you maintain this Enchantment, target ally has +40...168 maximum Health"

There's some other options, but you get the idea. Whoops! there goes the 55hp's main line of defense ... now he has ~300 hit points ... 1 or 2 hits from an aatxe and they're floor decoration

Happy UW'ing to the legit 55 and SS/SV necro pairs, and trappers!

There are "noobs" playing PvP aswell,incase you hadn`t noticed.

Instead of rebalancing player skills just change the mob's skills. Put in more enchant removal and life stealing mobs. Farming should be discouraged wherever it is found because it is a pathological behavior.

55 hp characters are not the problem---rude, immature, ignorant and childish players are the problem---oh wait, they are the problem 90% of the time, my 55 hp monk actually helps alot in some missions, it is quite easy to change armor/weapons sets when needed, I used to go 55 hp for the UW first chamber when helping friends cap spiders, so what, no need to stop play style---if only we could stop the before mentioned players??

anet say they dont mind farming but we all know that to be false as they ALWAYS nerf the farmers before anything else, and usually screw up peoples legitimate game builds at the same time.
with the pve being so short lived and boring now (and pvp'ers being elitist idiots in most cases - see the pvp'ers posts like geminisaga in this thread for proof) there is nothing left in the game except farming or using gw as a fancy chatroom.
anet nerf the game far to much for me to consider getting factions

Lot of the tweaks will target bot farmer / human bot farmers ease to get access to items that also affect the legit farmers. Since the change to Profits Path, there more people then ever farming in teams for the new green (just like IDS in Citadel) but stoped the solo 55 hp builds.