I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this but..
Who else here thinks green items are ruining guild wars. What were once perfect gold items are now being devaluated by greens. I'm sure youve all found a few nice items before. Personally I found my first 10/10 Gold Blood Staff... i was so happy. Now, they come out with a green blood item and thought its still worth quite a bid to collectors... it no longer holds the value it once did.
What's Areanets purpose of creating greens? creating an equal opportunity to all? What happened to the far-reaching goal to obtain those 'godly' items everyone desired, which was everyone's dream... items now are so mediocre no thanks to areanet. when green items first came out i bought all i could find because i took a gamble they would be nerfed for destroying the economy of the game.
how ridiculous and now the new update they change the base max stats on weapons.. like +45 health shields now boosted to +60.. how ridiculous, who knows maybe in chap 2 the max for swords will be 20^50 or 30 or whatever.. all the perfect items investors spent will be wasted.
seriously, green items? raising the cap? they should at least proportionate the current items somehow. theyre really just ruining the potential of this game.
Discussion: Green Items.
LadySapphire
capitalist
I think that they should get rid if them. I wrote a response to the green item issue and the economy, as well as an answer to the noobcakes out there, in another thread. However, Guru search is down as always and google search sucks. Briefly stated, if ANET wants everyone in the game to have perfect items, just give each character a full inventory of perfect, customized items whenever they start playing... then get rid of gold. Thanks again ANET.
Arya Nibelrund
I'm kinda torn on that; on one side i'm happy that now everyone can have a perfect weapon without spending a fortune, which evens the playfield. On the other side, it's really sad that even the least skilled player can use the best equipment, i would have liked if reaching that was a goal that required dedication and made you feel unique in a certain way.
Still, Anet was pretty clear on the fact that GW was different from old MMORPGs; no thousands of hours spent on reaching the highest level or the money for the best weapon; don't know exactly how WoW works being this my first MMORPG but i think it's much harder there to have a really unique equipment.
What really ruined the economy though aren't greenies, but the pro farming made easy by 55hp builds.
Greenies, i see them more as a consequence for trying to put an end to those builds that were making far too much money from that.
And that caused the falling of market prices. Don't know if introducing them was the best idea, but they made this move forced by farmers.
So, what would i like? A way to be able to craft your own weapon, and being able to make high end items only after having deserved that.
But really, i know GW is not the game that will allow me to do that. Still, i have a lot of fun with it and i hope it will go on like this.
Still, Anet was pretty clear on the fact that GW was different from old MMORPGs; no thousands of hours spent on reaching the highest level or the money for the best weapon; don't know exactly how WoW works being this my first MMORPG but i think it's much harder there to have a really unique equipment.
What really ruined the economy though aren't greenies, but the pro farming made easy by 55hp builds.
Greenies, i see them more as a consequence for trying to put an end to those builds that were making far too much money from that.
And that caused the falling of market prices. Don't know if introducing them was the best idea, but they made this move forced by farmers.
So, what would i like? A way to be able to craft your own weapon, and being able to make high end items only after having deserved that.
But really, i know GW is not the game that will allow me to do that. Still, i have a lot of fun with it and i hope it will go on like this.
DSey
Honestly, I think a lot of players only have dollar signs in their eyes. Oh no a green item with the exact same stats as my gold item. There goes my 500k. Instead it will be 200k because people still pay more for golds. Yah, green items are perfect, and yah they are perfect for new players who don't have a fortune. Why should the perfect items only be reserved for the rich? It only inspires a major case of elitism into many, and jerkish behaviour in others. Too often players already get into a testosterone war(regardless of whether they actually produce testosterone at all..) about who is the 'n00b' because their armour/items are cheaper, or for whatever other silly reason. So concerning greens I can only say 'welcome aboard'.
The sudden changing of actual item modifiers is more troublesome. Adding new ones is perfectly fine, but changing existing ones out of the blue is a bit unfair.
The sudden changing of actual item modifiers is more troublesome. Adding new ones is perfectly fine, but changing existing ones out of the blue is a bit unfair.
The Herbalizer
I think the idea of greens is pathetic. There are collectors items for a reason. The reason I dont buy many weapons is there is a low end alternative which make you look cheap. I wish there was godly armor which cost say 5 million a set and weapons which had fixed stats and had no rubbish version which were very rare. Then players who work hard can appear godly and not blend in.
cosyfiep
I dont care much about the green items any more, yeah they were kinda novel when they first appeared, but I found that most of the items I already had were just as good (and could sell them to the mechant for more than 35gold if I got a better one). I never really liked the idea of selling stuff to other players....I would much rather just enjoy playing the game!
So yeah, I kinda agree that the green farming is a little out of hand and that there should be more for the people who have finished the missions and quests to do besides farming (and the FOW or UW which can only be accessed when we have favor, grr). I am anxiously awaiting the new chapter so I have more quests to do and more places to go and see!
So yeah, I kinda agree that the green farming is a little out of hand and that there should be more for the people who have finished the missions and quests to do besides farming (and the FOW or UW which can only be accessed when we have favor, grr). I am anxiously awaiting the new chapter so I have more quests to do and more places to go and see!
milias
I like greens. GW's target customer is not the 80-hour-per-week hardcore farmers, it is the casual player. Casual players don't have the time/gold to find/buy the "godly" gold weapons, and that's where the greens come in.
Personally I get the greens when I can't find/afford the golds..
Personally I get the greens when I can't find/afford the golds..
capitalist
You don't need perfect weapons to play the game, thus, there is no issue with the casual player.
milias
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You don't need perfect weapons to play the game, thus, there is no issue with the casual player.
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ANet didn't want the casual players to be at a disadvantage, that's all.
capitalist
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We all want "perfect" items. For hardcore players, it's golds; for casual players, it's greens.
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Da Deathblade
The only difference between a gold and green item with the same stats is that 1 is gold and 1 is green. Golds should go way down or greens should go up considering only the color of the mods is different.
Jcon
the biggest thing i dislike about what Anet is doing, is the way they can mod previously owned items....like the bugged axe(which is fair since it was way overpowered), but more notably the lieutenants helm from HoD. If they felt so compelled to mod this helm, why didn't they feel the same about the sword or the fiery flame spitter axe? This helm was a customized item none-the-less making it invaluable to others. I feel ripped off by such a move, and now not to mention they added pve items into pvp for what purpose? My only advantage of bringing a Pve player who I worked so hard to get perfect items for, and bring nice armor into battle with is the ability to switch armors depending on the team to whom I am verse. This is truly disappointing.
milias
Suck it up and live with it man...
They were overpowered and now they have been fixed. Hope you didn't think it was gonna last...
They were overpowered and now they have been fixed. Hope you didn't think it was gonna last...
Cottage Pie
lady, I agree with you, greens may have balanced things out, but they took the fun out of having a perfect item, the fun out of the chase...yet there are still better/more variety of golds out there, and golds are modifyable. They used the sephis axe skin, then the sickle, it's only a matter of time before the crystalline sword is 'desecrated' too, dwarven axe, yeah it'll possibly happen. I know a lot of people don't like it, but shit happens/has happened.
The first thing I posted today was 'price crash' when I saw all the new shield mods, It's more than possible weapons will also get the buff/nerf.
To clarify, I have only seen -3 -4 -5 xx%, +5x when hexed mods, i'm not sure what other mods have been tweaked/will be tweaked, but who knows what they have in store...I only have cash in a few ecto/shards/ruby's/saphires and plain old gold.
That said, the market was stale. 15^50 this, 15^50 that with 30hp always and 10/10 sundering, 10/10 recharge, blablah...it was the markets own IWAY, imo :P
The first thing I posted today was 'price crash' when I saw all the new shield mods, It's more than possible weapons will also get the buff/nerf.
To clarify, I have only seen -3 -4 -5 xx%, +5x when hexed mods, i'm not sure what other mods have been tweaked/will be tweaked, but who knows what they have in store...I only have cash in a few ecto/shards/ruby's/saphires and plain old gold.
That said, the market was stale. 15^50 this, 15^50 that with 30hp always and 10/10 sundering, 10/10 recharge, blablah...it was the markets own IWAY, imo :P
Cherno
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The only difference between a gold and green item with the same stats is that 1 is gold and 1 is green. Golds should go way down or greens should go up considering only the color of the mods is different.
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I like the greens, they help even the field for those who can't or don't want to spend a lot of time farming for them or the money for them. It helped bring perfect items withhin reach of the average player. Sure you can argue that the green itself might be expensive as well, but the difference is that with much less "farming" you can participate yourself to get one from a much better chance than 1. getting a gold drop and 2. Hoping it has the perfect stats.
Even if you found a gold that had the some perfect baseline stats you might not like the other mods, and then have to spend money on those to get it exactly like you want.
I do think that each green should have a completely unique skin though.
The new staves from Tombs are all but useless since they all look (nearly) identical, and all ahve the same stats (apart from the dmg, but who cares about taht on a staff?)
milias
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I do think that each green should have a completely unique skin though.
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However, ANet's graphic artists may be too busy creating artwork for GW 2/3/4/5/6/7...hey, Jeff or whoever did say they have several expansions in the pipeline...
LadySapphire
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Originally Posted by DSey
Honestly, I think a lot of players only have dollar signs in their eyes. Oh no a green item with the exact same stats as my gold item. There goes my 500k. Instead it will be 200k because people still pay more for golds. Yah, green items are perfect, and yah they are perfect for new players who don't have a fortune. Why should the perfect items only be reserved for the rich? It only inspires a major case of elitism into many, and jerkish behaviour in others.
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Originally Posted by capitalist
Briefly stated, if ANET wants everyone in the game to have perfect items, just give each character a full inventory of perfect, customized items whenever they start playing... then get rid of gold. Thanks again ANET.
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status is a part of any mmorpg.. right?
and yea increasing the cap for existing mods... ridiculous.
Blaarg
As much as I hate greens, they are a nice alternative to perfect gold items that I can't afford.. Although I'd rather just see them not there.. There was no need to add them, nomt with collector ites anyway. So a player may have to pay for a few mods, it's not like it'll cost them a fortune..
And as said before, greens need to have their own unique skin.. And the new ones should not be so perfect.
IMO there should just be a collector with "perfect" items, basically just the PvP weapons for the casual gamers, along with a weapon mod merchant. And for the "hardcore" gamers, the golds, as they are, or would be without greens. And no greens, at all.
And as said before, greens need to have their own unique skin.. And the new ones should not be so perfect.
IMO there should just be a collector with "perfect" items, basically just the PvP weapons for the casual gamers, along with a weapon mod merchant. And for the "hardcore" gamers, the golds, as they are, or would be without greens. And no greens, at all.
coldplay
Green items benefit more players than amount of players they hurt so A-net will continue providing new kinds of green items and never get rid of any existing green items
stickyballs
The problem with greens is that almost EVERYBODY has it. How many axe warriors have I met that DIDN'T have Victo's Battle Axe? It takes away uniqueness from characters because like everybody has the same thing. The only thing green is good for is adding a nicer skin over collector's weapons and having nice mods (HP+30, 20% Longer Enchantments, etc.) Thing is, when the greens came out, the HP Pommels dropped in like half and many hilts also dropped (Vampiric 3/1 hilt especially). If people like greens and they feel happy with it, all the power to them.
For people who want to be "different":
*Buy FoW armor (if you can't, buy 15k armor, it's a lot more common but is still nowhere near as common as Drok's armor).
*Buy rare skin weapons (Crystalline, Dwarven, etc.) or uncommon skin weapons (Fellblade, Chaos Axe, etc.) In this way, you have a weapon that doesn't have a green item counterpart and looks pretty cool
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For people who want to be "different":
*Buy FoW armor (if you can't, buy 15k armor, it's a lot more common but is still nowhere near as common as Drok's armor).
*Buy rare skin weapons (Crystalline, Dwarven, etc.) or uncommon skin weapons (Fellblade, Chaos Axe, etc.) In this way, you have a weapon that doesn't have a green item counterpart and looks pretty cool
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Malice Black
wearing FoW armor means nothing now, any nub can ebay 2mill
stealthrt
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any nub can ebay 2mill
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This is why I think green items were a GREAT idea. Yea I lost some gold over it and I always have the occassional person going "i'm not paying that much, I can get the green for 10k" but that doesn't bother me as much.
The point of this game is to have fun, not rank on the Guild Wars Fortune 500e-gold rich charts.
Frankly I have a problem paying 500k for a weapon that looks slightly different and does 1% dmg more than a 10k weapon. But then again that's because I dont buy gold off e-bay and I have to play for all my gold. Therefore, 500k takes me sometime to earn in the game and if i'm going to drop it on one item, it better damn well kill everything on the map before I'm even done loading. Well....maybe not that bad, but you get the idea...I think crap is way too overpriced as it is and that's just giving more reason for the kiddies to use ebay accounts and buy 3mil of gold.
I say bring on the greens. Hell, bring on the pinks and reds, I don't care.
derrtyboy69
Well, all i really hear is how greens have destroyed the price of everything, and that so many "rich" people have become poor. But for most of them, the value of their items to the value of everything else has stayed about the same. I don't mind other people being unoriginal with their greens, it just makes it easier for someone who cares to be original, although rare weapons have become a little too common. I dont care about greens, but wish they kept certain items rare. Things like fellblades, chaos axes, storm bows. At one point it was incredibly hard to see one (a good one) but now theyre everywhere. People bitched about how hard it was to get a perfect sword, 15>50 req 8 long swords selling for 600k+ But then when someone bought one, they wouldnt run into 40 other people with the same sword. They made collectors for poor people that want something perfect.
draco_dp
I think the shield buffs were alright I mean a -3 10% wasnt that great at all I think it needed buffed... still a -5 20% I wouldnt prefer it... mabe its just the -5 people see I would still rather have the conditional b/c most the time you meet the condition... I mean -2 all the time is a lot better than -5 20%.
curious george
Green items and also Chests, they ruined the economy when sarrow came out.
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Anyhow, I think the game is getting where anet wanted it to be:
1. max weapons for players at reasonable price, to avoid elitism etc... etc...
2. keep rare, uniw skin rare so people who have the money (ingame) still have something to crave for, thus distinguishing them from many others
Let's see.
How many req 8 15^50 chaos/sephis/serpent/dwarven axes are there? Many, but you don't bump into some1 who has it every five minutes.
How many req 8 15^50 ivory/mursaat/flesh-skinned/etc bow are there? same as above.
Do you my point?
And of course there isn't a green for every mod combo. So gold weapons are still good, but they dropped to a resonable price in most cases.
Malice Black
GW market is like a "real life" market it rises it drops...deal with it, i prefer golds over green but i dont think they should be removed
LadySapphire
the thing is guild wars was made to be an equal game for all, noobs, rich, everyone. what need was there for greens.
a 13^50 weapon costs much much much less than a 15^50 weapon.. why do you need a 15^50 weapon anyways? for that 1-2 extra damage? if that bit of extra damage was considered 'unfair' (which it shouldnt considering the effot required to get a 15^50) then those 'noobs' areanet is helping should suck it up imo.. just because your new and cant have a perfect 15^50 sephis axe doesnt mean you cant be effective in the game.. i dont see the reason for greens still like i said before.
a 13^50 weapon costs much much much less than a 15^50 weapon.. why do you need a 15^50 weapon anyways? for that 1-2 extra damage? if that bit of extra damage was considered 'unfair' (which it shouldnt considering the effot required to get a 15^50) then those 'noobs' areanet is helping should suck it up imo.. just because your new and cant have a perfect 15^50 sephis axe doesnt mean you cant be effective in the game.. i dont see the reason for greens still like i said before.
jdjamesdean
down with the greens .... i despise them ... and this new update ruined an eternal shield i had found the day before .... burn ANET to the ground metaphoricaly of course ... whats next ? gold weapons from bosses that are perf ... to really kill the economy?
R34N
next will be red gears that are more than perfect lol...
urbnatr
i dont like green people always try to compare a rare im trying to sell to greens makes me fell like i should just merchant them
milias
Personally I don't like greens either. They depreciate the value of perfect golds. But we have to keep in mind that many GW players are casual players, and hence do not have the time to farm for these items. And since they're the customers that ANet is targeting primarily, ANet will cater to their needs first.
Star Alfur
I agree very much so that greens have ruined many things. Need a weapon with a 15%/max dmg mod, but lack the funds? Ever heard of collector items? -_-'
Nowadays, nearly every single damn gold that is dropped is almost guaranteed worth near nothing because of green equivalents. Even the almost perfect weapons with common skins ... who'd want those when you could easily buy a green with the perfect ugprades for only a bit more, and acquire a better skin too?
But enough bitching, one thing that could be done to improve the situation, imo, ~ Keep the greens *away* from the rare skinned weapons. (Think Victo's Axe/Shield, Razorstone, etc)
Nowadays, nearly every single damn gold that is dropped is almost guaranteed worth near nothing because of green equivalents. Even the almost perfect weapons with common skins ... who'd want those when you could easily buy a green with the perfect ugprades for only a bit more, and acquire a better skin too?
But enough bitching, one thing that could be done to improve the situation, imo, ~ Keep the greens *away* from the rare skinned weapons. (Think Victo's Axe/Shield, Razorstone, etc)
LadySapphire
plus WHY do you need a 15% weapon? 14% 13% are all the same, with the exception of that 1-2 extra damage. either way thats what customization is for.
and for staves.. the extra %? its all chance.. nothing significant to affect your game play.
and for staves.. the extra %? its all chance.. nothing significant to affect your game play.