Discussion: Green Items.

I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this but..

Who else here thinks green items are ruining guild wars. What were once perfect gold items are now being devaluated by greens. I'm sure youve all found a few nice items before. Personally I found my first 10/10 Gold Blood Staff... i was so happy. Now, they come out with a green blood item and thought its still worth quite a bid to collectors... it no longer holds the value it once did.

What's Areanets purpose of creating greens? creating an equal opportunity to all? What happened to the far-reaching goal to obtain those 'godly' items everyone desired, which was everyone's dream... items now are so mediocre no thanks to areanet. when green items first came out i bought all i could find because i took a gamble they would be nerfed for destroying the economy of the game.

how ridiculous and now the new update they change the base max stats on weapons.. like +45 health shields now boosted to +60.. how ridiculous, who knows maybe in chap 2 the max for swords will be 20^50 or 30 or whatever.. all the perfect items investors spent will be wasted.

seriously, green items? raising the cap? they should at least proportionate the current items somehow. theyre really just ruining the potential of this game.

I think that they should get rid if them. I wrote a response to the green item issue and the economy, as well as an answer to the noobcakes out there, in another thread. However, Guru search is down as always and google search sucks. Briefly stated, if ANET wants everyone in the game to have perfect items, just give each character a full inventory of perfect, customized items whenever they start playing... then get rid of gold. Thanks again ANET.

I'm kinda torn on that; on one side i'm happy that now everyone can have a perfect weapon without spending a fortune, which evens the playfield. On the other side, it's really sad that even the least skilled player can use the best equipment, i would have liked if reaching that was a goal that required dedication and made you feel unique in a certain way.
Still, Anet was pretty clear on the fact that GW was different from old MMORPGs; no thousands of hours spent on reaching the highest level or the money for the best weapon; don't know exactly how WoW works being this my first MMORPG but i think it's much harder there to have a really unique equipment.
What really ruined the economy though aren't greenies, but the pro farming made easy by 55hp builds.
Greenies, i see them more as a consequence for trying to put an end to those builds that were making far too much money from that.
And that caused the falling of market prices. Don't know if introducing them was the best idea, but they made this move forced by farmers.
So, what would i like? A way to be able to craft your own weapon, and being able to make high end items only after having deserved that.
But really, i know GW is not the game that will allow me to do that. Still, i have a lot of fun with it and i hope it will go on like this.

Honestly, I think a lot of players only have dollar signs in their eyes. Oh no a green item with the exact same stats as my gold item. There goes my 500k. Instead it will be 200k because people still pay more for golds. Yah, green items are perfect, and yah they are perfect for new players who don't have a fortune. Why should the perfect items only be reserved for the rich? It only inspires a major case of elitism into many, and jerkish behaviour in others. Too often players already get into a testosterone war(regardless of whether they actually produce testosterone at all..) about who is the 'n00b' because their armour/items are cheaper, or for whatever other silly reason. So concerning greens I can only say 'welcome aboard'.

The sudden changing of actual item modifiers is more troublesome. Adding new ones is perfectly fine, but changing existing ones out of the blue is a bit unfair.

I think the idea of greens is pathetic. There are collectors items for a reason. The reason I dont buy many weapons is there is a low end alternative which make you look cheap. I wish there was godly armor which cost say 5 million a set and weapons which had fixed stats and had no rubbish version which were very rare. Then players who work hard can appear godly and not blend in.

I dont care much about the green items any more, yeah they were kinda novel when they first appeared, but I found that most of the items I already had were just as good (and could sell them to the mechant for more than 35gold if I got a better one). I never really liked the idea of selling stuff to other players....I would much rather just enjoy playing the game!
So yeah, I kinda agree that the green farming is a little out of hand and that there should be more for the people who have finished the missions and quests to do besides farming (and the FOW or UW which can only be accessed when we have favor, grr). I am anxiously awaiting the new chapter so I have more quests to do and more places to go and see!

I like greens. GW's target customer is not the 80-hour-per-week hardcore farmers, it is the casual player. Casual players don't have the time/gold to find/buy the "godly" gold weapons, and that's where the greens come in.

Personally I get the greens when I can't find/afford the golds..

You don't need perfect weapons to play the game, thus, there is no issue with the casual player.

We all want "perfect" items. For hardcore players, it's golds; for casual players, it's greens.

ANet didn't want the casual players to be at a disadvantage, that's all.

There is no disadvantage. You can complete the game with clean, white items.

The only difference between a gold and green item with the same stats is that 1 is gold and 1 is green. Golds should go way down or greens should go up considering only the color of the mods is different.

the biggest thing i dislike about what Anet is doing, is the way they can mod previously owned items....like the bugged axe(which is fair since it was way overpowered), but more notably the lieutenants helm from HoD. If they felt so compelled to mod this helm, why didn't they feel the same about the sword or the fiery flame spitter axe? This helm was a customized item none-the-less making it invaluable to others. I feel ripped off by such a move, and now not to mention they added pve items into pvp for what purpose? My only advantage of bringing a Pve player who I worked so hard to get perfect items for, and bring nice armor into battle with is the ability to switch armors depending on the team to whom I am verse. This is truly disappointing.

Suck it up and live with it man...

They were overpowered and now they have been fixed. Hope you didn't think it was gonna last...

lady, I agree with you, greens may have balanced things out, but they took the fun out of having a perfect item, the fun out of the chase...yet there are still better/more variety of golds out there, and golds are modifyable. They used the sephis axe skin, then the sickle, it's only a matter of time before the crystalline sword is 'desecrated' too, dwarven axe, yeah it'll possibly happen. I know a lot of people don't like it, but shit happens/has happened.

The first thing I posted today was 'price crash' when I saw all the new shield mods, It's more than possible weapons will also get the buff/nerf.


To clarify, I have only seen -3 -4 -5 xx%, +5x when hexed mods, i'm not sure what other mods have been tweaked/will be tweaked, but who knows what they have in store...I only have cash in a few ecto/shards/ruby's/saphires and plain old gold.

That said, the market was stale. 15^50 this, 15^50 that with 30hp always and 10/10 sundering, 10/10 recharge, blablah...it was the markets own IWAY, imo :P

And that you can change the mods on the golds and collectors but not the greens. Don't underestimate that ability.

I like the greens, they help even the field for those who can't or don't want to spend a lot of time farming for them or the money for them. It helped bring perfect items withhin reach of the average player. Sure you can argue that the green itself might be expensive as well, but the difference is that with much less "farming" you can participate yourself to get one from a much better chance than 1. getting a gold drop and 2. Hoping it has the perfect stats.

Even if you found a gold that had the some perfect baseline stats you might not like the other mods, and then have to spend money on those to get it exactly like you want.

I do think that each green should have a completely unique skin though.

The new staves from Tombs are all but useless since they all look (nearly) identical, and all ahve the same stats (apart from the dmg, but who cares about taht on a staff?)

Yes, I wish that too...

However, ANet's graphic artists may be too busy creating artwork for GW 2/3/4/5/6/7...hey, Jeff or whoever did say they have several expansions in the pipeline...

dsey thats your response..

status is a part of any mmorpg.. right?

and yea increasing the cap for existing mods... ridiculous.

As much as I hate greens, they are a nice alternative to perfect gold items that I can't afford.. Although I'd rather just see them not there.. There was no need to add them, nomt with collector ites anyway. So a player may have to pay for a few mods, it's not like it'll cost them a fortune..

And as said before, greens need to have their own unique skin.. And the new ones should not be so perfect.

IMO there should just be a collector with "perfect" items, basically just the PvP weapons for the casual gamers, along with a weapon mod merchant. And for the "hardcore" gamers, the golds, as they are, or would be without greens. And no greens, at all.

Green items benefit more players than amount of players they hurt so A-net will continue providing new kinds of green items and never get rid of any existing green items

The problem with greens is that almost EVERYBODY has it. How many axe warriors have I met that DIDN'T have Victo's Battle Axe? It takes away uniqueness from characters because like everybody has the same thing. The only thing green is good for is adding a nicer skin over collector's weapons and having nice mods (HP+30, 20% Longer Enchantments, etc.) Thing is, when the greens came out, the HP Pommels dropped in like half and many hilts also dropped (Vampiric 3/1 hilt especially). If people like greens and they feel happy with it, all the power to them.

For people who want to be "different":

*Buy FoW armor (if you can't, buy 15k armor, it's a lot more common but is still nowhere near as common as Drok's armor).

*Buy rare skin weapons (Crystalline, Dwarven, etc.) or uncommon skin weapons (Fellblade, Chaos Axe, etc.) In this way, you have a weapon that doesn't have a green item counterpart and looks pretty cool .