Racist Filter!

I don't know how much of a suggestion this is... but it has to be said... If i hear much more of these stupid kids shouting out slurs against the koreans/europeans, im gonna start screenshotting, and sending it in to anet.

Like, the first few times, it's kinda like... heh, dont say that... then i hear it again in my next group... umm, sry for my group...

We also need to teach these idiot americans(of course not all, im just narrowing it down to the idiots) that koreans CAN and DO speak english... i had one person reply to me "It was just a joke, cause i know they can't speak our language"

Sorry to tell yea... but just because you cant read korean, doesnt mean they dont know english, i myself have been talking with quite a few of them, and trust me... they know english perfectly fine.

Bottom line, there's no excuse for these kids to be like this... Seriously... i hope something can be done about such childish acts. It's like someone puts in a filter in the game, and then the kids go rampant, thinking they're (funny, or cool), which is certainly not the case.

I agree 100 % !!!!!!! racial slurs have no place in a game like this. its NOT cool and quite frankly its RUDE.

If you don't speak korean then how do you know they aren't being racist towards us?

there are seperate districts for a reason, if more koreans started playing then there would be more districts.

You one of those little racists kids eh? No, there is no "Reason" to be racists... and i don't care what kind of an excuse people try to make, i will be screenshoting, and reporting.

And i know, because i have guildies that do speak a bit of korean, of course not completely fluent, but what does it matter... its only american racism that i've been seeing. When the koreans are talking, they are normaly just trying to get other korean teams to work together, that way they can take the favor of the gods. More then often they just use the simple click of a button so they cant hear what others are saying. But it still offends me to even consider myself "american" accoarding to what the majority of this gaming comunity is... or at least the majority in the Tournament area... which is where you see the other regions.

Edit:: There are plenty of koreans that play, lol... they just play at different times. There isnt a large majority of them on during "our" daytime... hence the fact that night time is when koreans keep the favor of the gods most of the time.

Yea... I find it funny that the koreans can work together for the tournament since they know it will be korea with the favor of the gods... an american team trying to "work" together, is really just in a sense, trying to screw the other team over... It's hillarious to see the difference between the way people are raised... It's not like it's just the gaming comunity of americans that are racist... it's a big problem through our nation, which will be our downfall... Too bad my "image" is displayed by a majority. Being catagorized can be horrible. as alot of islams and muslims know as well...

I agree in principal, but it won't stop them. Let me make up a fake racial slur to illustrate so I don't have to use a real one. Pretend "booger" was a racial epithet. If that were blocked, you would see:

b00ger
b0oger
b ooger
boog3r
b*ooger
booger/
b..ooger
bOOger
bOoger

and so on.

It's not as easy to block this stuff as you might think.

There needs to be a button in game you can press that captures the last 20 or so lines of chat and forwards it to customer service with a note about what in it is offensive.

I'm not wanting to block the typing, sry if i confused you. I want to get them banned. Their emails are givin for the accounts, so all that anet has to do is send a warning... it happens again, and then they arent allowed to play anymore. Racism is more then a "problem". It's a reason people get murdered. These little kids wouldnt be talking all "tough" if they were in front of these people, and if they did, i'd have to laugh at them, while they lay on the ground. It is a small part of the agreement of playing the game, ill have to find the exact details so i dont sound like im talking out of my ass.

You just dug yourself into a very deep hole.

How so? Simply because some will read "idiot americans" as every american is an idiot? Instead of reading it as those americans using racial slurs that he has heard are acting like idiots?

It could maybe have been worded a little better, but then again, most things can. It doesn't change the fact that racism has no place. This game certainly pits the American "world" against the European and Korean. However it's not "Americans" against "Koreans" in the racial sense. There are Americans living in Korea, and vice versa, and you can choose your homeworld.

Matt

ignorance is a contagiouse and hereditary disease, a world wide epidemic, that cannot and never will be stopped until it destroys it's self and every inteligent being. There is no cure, no vacine, no human immunity and no healing magic. There is just the lucky and the unlucky.

You want it to stop but it won't. You just have to take comfort in the fact that you are one of the lucky ones and go on with your life.

You got it right Massassi.

Racism is irrational and useless. Also, generally only the people lacking intelligence are racist... that is why a lot of people are racist (although they may beg to differ, but all their excuses are rediculous and sound the same to me )

Well, I personally regard freedom of speech to be one of the most important and necessary virtues of a democracy, despite that it allows us to spew ignorance just as readily as anything else.

Of course, Guild Wars isn't a democracy; it's a fantasy game with a realm completely owned and maintained by a corporation. Though, part of an MMORPG involves the community of other players, and it is intimately and ultimately responsible for the kind of game play one has.
Indeed, the allowance of people to have and share their opinions, despite what they are, facilitates the allowance of your own. Censorship (banning being an extreme form) will not only do little about the inherent problems in question, but it will increase or create unnecessary reprimanding.

It's bad enough that there is a swear filter. Everyone knows what they are saying. Does the partial blinding of the phrase really detract from the message? Or does it merely give others power over what we say.

Anyway, if verbal racism (though, I would argue that people rag on homosexuals far more than any specific race) is bothering you, there are a few things one can possibly do.

First, don't speak like that yourself.

Second, explain to people using such wordage as to what they are actually saying and why that propagates negative racial understanding. If they don't give a damn, then there is little you can do. However, if enough people don't accept the way they go about things, then they may change their behavior to match social acceptability.

Freedom of speech is not the ability to insult and harass a person's life, this has been maintained quite frequently, and unless strictly allowed within controlled spheres of influence, then the attempt to use this freedom to insult, harass, antagonize, demean, seperate, whatever else you wish to consider for slurs, is not provided protection, and to utilize this in an area where this is purposefully voiced to not be allowed, just shows the flagrant attempt to use rules to advantage, in other words, a vileness. Not saying you are attempting to, merely stating that the sphere of influence contained on the internet does not allow singular national rights, but grants them the power to create their own.

Not to mention that as much as I hate censorship and could care less about what people say or do since there is an intrinsic karma via society's flow, this idea of not looking is stupid. Fact is, this is the attempt to create a hostile environment, and people cannot be restricted via society as naturally, as the confines are very broad, and the systems are very open. I could continue shouting obscenities day after day throughout a singular district of Lion's Arch, and each time someone leaves, they'd forget my name within five minutes, no one would ever spread word except to say that there was some moron shouting in LA and it got annoying.

Within a communal society, a person could walk up and strike another for words such as those, people would pass word as to actual name and place, and become rather shunned.

Plus, any client base who is harmed by this censorship is vastly smaller than the group who are harmed by the continued allowance, attempts to discuss intelligently would only get more of this verbal garbage thrown about and in their actual direction. That and a few people become scandalized very easily, a person can act as they will and say what they will towards me, I could brush it off, others not as easily, and I'd prefer to use a system which blocks these and enforces against attempts to bypass systems.

We find it odd that in servers such as CS that there are curse filters, and people actually get kicked from servers for doing it a bit too much. Words like hell, damn, even acronyms such as wtf and omfg, I've seen deleted, often replaced with mere dashes in the sentence or some measure to make you look stupid and a reminder not to be vulgar. But, it is their place, and I doubt you can find an intelligent reason to curse, if you could, you'd see the reasons not to in this context far outwaying those to do so.

Because he is making a post about racism against Europeans but uses the term "Idiot Americans". He lost any and all credibility to post this in my eyes. I have not made any of these comments, nor have any of my friends who are all "Americans". So perhaps he should reword that. And im not sure but the last time I checked American servers did not only include americans.

You make a good point, but I agree with Ramus. Regardless how valid your point was, you lost it all with that comment. Not just because I'm American, because it makes you look like a hypocrite.

Bravo Ramus. I believe we think alike ;-). For all we know, those "idiot americans" were simply wording it wrong. Avoid stereotypes, Korean's don't work together as much as you think... I won't even bother using history as an example. As for upbringing, yeh blame it on society and not on the parents and the kid himself. Racism=bad. I agree, so does stereotyping someone who is upset because his nation is losing and can't do anything about it but vent. Maybe it was just a joke... I have two Korean friends that always make fun of us "Americans" and beleive us lower intelligence (in general... i.e. a stereotype). There are many possibilities... but you prefer to blame it on Idiot Americans... don't know the whole story only snippets. Oh and yes I hear it too.. I also hear MORE OFTEN that those Koreans are unbeatable. Soo.... I guess since I hear it more often and we're stereotyping Americans as idiots. Then the Koreans are beatable. Wow. Logic actually worked in this direction. So maybe your right ;-)

Racist slurs are not even accepted in the REAL world let alone CYBERSPACE........i say ban them

Actually that is similar to the reaction he is expecting, granted I am doubtful he thought into it as much as I have, and was using it more as deragatory, the fact is calling them idiot americans is truthful, as the districts he is playing in are North American, granted saying idiot americans is implying a stupidity amongst those in the united states, and if one were to say cheap jew there would be an obvious attempt at correlation there as opposed to term with description.

But, I'd say don't feel that he is implying the US is stupid, or that Americans are the only problem, but Rellik, you have lost much of any speaking credibility as to this conversation through that, had you meant it as properly as I said above, you'd probably not have said it for the foresight of the way it would turn out.

Plus, alot of Koreans don't know english, then again they don't need to, and I don't know korean, and then again, I don't need to, but I can say this about them, their current culture has ingrained in it many game mannerisms, there is a huge society based on it most specifically over there, we think we're taking steps with WCG, CXG, CPL, and G4's show Arena, but they've been doing this for far longer for far more adoration. It is not unlikely that many of them will be out farming for equipment as often as possible, spending off hours gaining every single skill possible.

Plus it isn't unlikely that with our greater interaction of various cultures and the obvious melting pot in the United States, that we tend to think along ethnocentric lines, getting frustrated by an inability to communicate as properly as we do in most social settings, and the burden most often being upon the other party for being unable to speak english. This tranfers into games, but, those who feel this way directly about another culture are stupid, and should have a filter on them, as many as possible...

Well said, well said.

How about this as a re-wording...

There are people whom have been slinging racial/biggotry at others or about others and it has been offending me very much. Most of these people have been seen in the "America" servers and is making me feel embarassed to be called an "American". Although not everyone in the "America" servers is "American" I feel it sets a bad example for those of us who are actual "Americans.

I myself have found all of the biggotry to be quite annoying and should be put some sort of a stop to if taken too far. Yes, there are filters but crap happens all of the time. With the current crap going on all over the world about "fighting terrorism" ((How do you fight terrorism? Terrorism is not a person, place or thing...)) and getting rid of "weapons of mass distruction" ((AKA Weapons of Mass Distraction...where were they anyways?)) It would be nice to just break away from all of this crap and go into a nice little world of trolls, dwarves, shiverpeaks, etc. and just forget about the real world for just a second but instead even when in Guild Wars we have to deal with biggots with no respect at all. I think Perishiko had a good idea in the beginning with putting an end to the biggotry, he/she just needed to word things better.

Okay, I know I will be joining in on the screenshotting of those who go too far in GW

i like this idea, i hate how i always feal like im playing with a sixth grader ( no stero typing ment ), who can never just win at pvp, they allwas have to laph, or make fun of some one who loses, its great to be able to talk to the other team, but at times i have to tell these fouryear olds to act like four year olds.

Although, it is understandable somebody would be happy to win in a match but the insulting of each other is for the most part getting far out of hand. I would expect better then that in this game.

Rellik raised a significant and important issue, no matter what words he used.
I support it.

One hour in the tombs, names censored because the intent isn't a witch hunt or anything, just to point out how often this goes down.
Pre-battle, post-battle, mid-battle, it's ever present, and just about every team I was in had a member that just had to open his/her big mouth and let out pure verbal garbage, sometimes 2-3.

Well, starting tomorrow when I wake up...whenever I see this I will be reporting people to the admins. It is not acceptable especially on a game which a credit card is not required where any child may play. Not acceptable at all.

Perhaps that instead of wasting your time (well... it won't change things in-game) displaying your idea here... you could act and send an ''e-mail of inquiry'' to the developpers or something.

ya racist morons, usually 13-16 year old kids who think its funny, give 16 year olds like me a bad name. But, if you have a free MMO you will get a lot more of these types than for a payed one...I prefer this game over any of the other MMOs and would like to see this racist BS at least semi-silenced

I personally have not as of yet run into usage of any "racial slurs".

Only things I've seen are such that are shown in that screenshot.

And even in those screenshots, there are none. What are you going to do? Block the words "dumb" and "Korea"...? You can't put a ban on any of those words used in those screenshots, and those are the most common ones I've seen. If you put a ban on the word "kill", "scum", "dumb", "Korea", or any of them, it would make a lot of people angry simply because they couldn't say things like "Kill the Charr!" "They killed me!" "God the henchmen are dumb..."

Or other such phrases.

You can put forth your ideas on the matter as much as you want, but I have high doubts that anything will be changed when it comes to putting a "racist" filter in the game. I've not seen any really racial "slurs" that don't also have another, non-offensive meaning towards the Koreans or the Europeans. I mean, what, then they'd go and ban the word "Yankees" as well. The only racist slur I can think that is blatantly obvious is the "N" word, but anything else would be out of the question simply because of the complications that would arise because of it. Sure it sucks that such ignorant and close-minded people are out there, but it's a fact of life that we'll need to deal with.

I guess you could take screenshots and send it to the devs, but this game doesn't really have GMs or anything that I'm aware of constantly looming over everything, and simply because all chats are private to the zone/district or whatever. It doesn't work. And screenshots can be edited (easily), so I have serious doubts that any sent to the devs will do anything about the person in question.

Sucks, yeah. But it's going to be around for as long as we know.

I have a related question...just where do I go to report someone for spouting racial slurs? It wasnt just a one time occurance, this guy is a repeat offender in PVP matches against Koreans.

And no it's not just someone stating about how "Koreans suck" but stuff like "chink" which is a derogatory word against Chinese. That just shows how stupid these kids are...

sure calling people names is wrong, but cmon people grow up, if you are so mentally imbalanced that you cant take being called a name, then you definately shouldnt be on the internet, oh and also saying things like "koreans work well together", thats stereotyping and racist too, so climb down off your soapbox

Funny. Sounds like you're the one on the soapbox here....

You obviously are clueless here. It's not just about name calling here. It's not letting the gaming environment get out of hand and turn into something racially hostile. If people just let that type of behaviour go, then you're just condoning the racist attitudes. So please, why don't you get off YOUR soapbox..

oh no, now i have offended someone by telling people not to get offended, maybe we should just remove all talking from the game, because every little letter might be offensive to someone

And by the way, most people DO NOT grow up (talking about racists).
Racism doesn't have to be tolerated, forgotten nor forgiven.
I suggest writing a common letter to the devs exposing this issue, with signs and all.

Apparently, anyone reporting people who use racial slurs is now considered a "p*ssy" What has the world come to?

http://vnboards.ign.com/Guild_Wars_G...0/87016596/?12

And "ShadowDaemon", sarcasm isn't your strong suit. You're just coming off as whiney.

Hey guys i agree the amount of racism sucks and should be stopped. Usually, if you just PM the person and tell them you're going to report them, they shut up and apologise

You have to word it correctly though, so that it seems like Anet might ban them or something. I've done it a lot and it works

Also once (in tombs) , some guy was being racist to asians in general, so basically we just argued with him in public until more or less the whole district started shouting at him , and he left.

No, i was trying to politely give another perspective on it, but if you all are going to be little hippy douche bags about it, then piss off. Everyone is racist, no one can escape so you all are just arguing about nothing except the fact that you are hypocrites. And if you don't think you are racist you are ignorant, everyone gets uneasy around a certain race in a certain situation and that, by todays standards is racism. So go make brownies or whatever you hippies do and have a little drum circle with the koreans. I'm not posting on this thread and anymore so go ahead and reply with "WooTs" or whatever is popular among geek speak today

Well I am European and didn't notice that I was playing in American Districts until I entered HoH the first time for America.

Funny thing was that some guy in my group started insulting the European teams. Not really in a racist way just something like "Europeans must die"
I told him in groupchat "hey I am european too " So he answered, "Ok all but you then "
I think most guys just want to taunt other teams. Don't take such insults too serious.
However I also had to read things like "Kill those NAZI Europeans" already in HoH from the American Team (not mine). There are some idiots in all Teams no matter where you play. I changed my realm to Europe yesterday and had some germans looking for german "only" Monks...

In fact most people are NO racists. Would be hard to live together with all that "races" we got in USA, or in EU.

Good god, what a group of crybabies. Calling people immature and the declaring you will be adopting 3rd grade tattletale tactics is laughable. There is no need for a "Racist filter". They just need to improve the ignore function. Get over yourselves.

"Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo."

I stated next to it "Only the idiot americans", i mean... if you include yourself into this catagory, i can see why you might get upset... but the way you're trying to make a valid point, makes me view you as a "non idiot american/other". So hence the fact that I'm not refering to all americans, just as i stated.

Edit(dont want to make yet another reply)::

I may be wrong... but when i see these people coming in here and complaining about the fact that i will be reporting such vulgor crap. Then i just know what names to look out for when I'm playing in the game. There was no reason to become defensive against what i have stated, unless of course you are one of these people I'm talking about. I may be, being "immature" by calling them idiots... But really, i dont care, because that's what they are to me, and I at least have the decency(sp) to not insult his/her whole race/religion/sexual preference. And no, im not talking about things such as "Let's get these korean's", im talking about these people saying such things as "Insert racism here"... Sorry, i don't even feel compelled enough to retype anything that can be as horrible as some of the things i've been seeing.

**Maybe more people should read the terms of agreement, before just accepting and going into the game**