Everyone, at one point or another, has been pinholed into doing something for the sake of the team. And in a Mesmer's case, sometimes its more often than not that the team bitches till you bring what they want.
So which build style do you hate playing the most.
I hate interupts, which ungodly strange for a mesmer. But I just dislike Mesmer interupts. I'd rather play for one of the 3 D's. Damage, Drain or Disruption (Through means of hexes).
The type of Mesmer you hate playing the most.
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Echowinds
Interrupt is awesome. Nothing puts a smile on my face like a well landed power spike =)
LightningHell
I hate IW.
Undead Preacher
if u wanna be a success through curses, u should check out a different profession, like a necro perhaps
If you like interupts.... mesmers are good... i also know rangers and necros to be very good interupts
As for being a drainer......mesmers are the best... but you don't see much demand for them unless you are talking pvp.. but for pve good luck finding a group
If you wanna be a dmg dealer, i think u might need to take up a new profession
If you like interupts.... mesmers are good... i also know rangers and necros to be very good interupts
As for being a drainer......mesmers are the best... but you don't see much demand for them unless you are talking pvp.. but for pve good luck finding a group
If you wanna be a dmg dealer, i think u might need to take up a new profession
Arcanis the Omnipotent
OK!!
NOT THE FREAKIN TOPIC!
Geez, besides, I'm actually a great damage dealer. I played a damage dealer all the way through Hell's Precipise.
And more to the point, please try not to tell me how to play my character, as that is sorta how the topic got started =)
NOT THE FREAKIN TOPIC!
Geez, besides, I'm actually a great damage dealer. I played a damage dealer all the way through Hell's Precipise.
And more to the point, please try not to tell me how to play my character, as that is sorta how the topic got started =)
romeo_longsword
Quote:
Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
if u wanna be a success through curses, u should check out a different profession, like a necro perhaps
If you like interupts.... mesmers are good... i also know rangers and necros to be very good interupts
As for being a drainer......mesmers are the best... but you don't see much demand for them unless you are talking pvp.. but for pve good luck finding a group
If you wanna be a dmg dealer, i think u might need to take up a new profession I am sure he knows the features the classes, rather then hear your on going b*tching about how Mesmer sucks through different threads on the MESMER fourm.
What is your point to say, "whatever Mesmer can do, other can do better".
No, you did not say that? Well you are certainly giving that impression.
Anyway mate, if you love your nerco, bless you, but I am sure some might find your bitter view rather poor, which you enjoy express on the negative side of the Mesmer.
If you like interupts.... mesmers are good... i also know rangers and necros to be very good interupts
As for being a drainer......mesmers are the best... but you don't see much demand for them unless you are talking pvp.. but for pve good luck finding a group
If you wanna be a dmg dealer, i think u might need to take up a new profession I am sure he knows the features the classes, rather then hear your on going b*tching about how Mesmer sucks through different threads on the MESMER fourm.
What is your point to say, "whatever Mesmer can do, other can do better".
No, you did not say that? Well you are certainly giving that impression.
Anyway mate, if you love your nerco, bless you, but I am sure some might find your bitter view rather poor, which you enjoy express on the negative side of the Mesmer.
Arcanis the Omnipotent
yeah...what he said..
Dragannia
EDIT:
Bah, thought it was the type you ENJOYED most. I love shutdown. I hate playing degen.
Bah, thought it was the type you ENJOYED most. I love shutdown. I hate playing degen.
Epinephrine
Hate playing energy denial*. So dull. Rather be power blocking someone, or spreading fragility, or doing warrior suppression, or pretty much anything other than energy denial.
*With exceptions. Malaismer is kinda fun, since it isn't focused energy denial but global, coupled with Panic and such it can be a fun way to mess with folks. But run of the mill energy burn/surge/sig of weariness is just dull.
*With exceptions. Malaismer is kinda fun, since it isn't focused energy denial but global, coupled with Panic and such it can be a fun way to mess with folks. But run of the mill energy burn/surge/sig of weariness is just dull.
jciardha
I hate e-denial. But my guild generally requests that I do an e-denial build for PVP. I find it boring compared to shutdown, degen or interrupts. But I have no problems doing it if I'm requested to: take one for the team, that's what counts.
(I can never seem to e-deny caster classes properly, either. So if I can't get near the monks, I start e-denying the nearest ranger instead. They never seem to expect getting attacked that way. )
EDIT: I forgot to add the other build I dislike: the Rezmer (especially in EOE bomb and minion factory teams). Repetitive, boring, banal, and a total waste of a mesmer's abilities.
(I can never seem to e-deny caster classes properly, either. So if I can't get near the monks, I start e-denying the nearest ranger instead. They never seem to expect getting attacked that way.
)EDIT: I forgot to add the other build I dislike: the Rezmer (especially in EOE bomb and minion factory teams). Repetitive, boring, banal, and a total waste of a mesmer's abilities.
Avarre
I hate:
Degen (kinda boring imho)
Interrupt (pure interrupt in PvE is bordering on overkill)
Shutdown (Do you really need 1 mob of an army locked down? No!)
Fast nuker (Nuke-wayers should be burnt!)
I like:
Balanced dom/illu (Can do anything with the right modifications!)
Support char like warder, etc. (Wards are cool, breaking my dislike of mes/eles in pve)
Empathy cannon (Mantra of Recovery with empathy is the Wrath of God, especially on melee areas)
Saccer (fastcast IoW is fuuun!)
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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
Degen (kinda boring imho)
Interrupt (pure interrupt in PvE is bordering on overkill)
Shutdown (Do you really need 1 mob of an army locked down? No!)
Fast nuker (Nuke-wayers should be burnt!)
I like:
Balanced dom/illu (Can do anything with the right modifications!)
Support char like warder, etc. (Wards are cool, breaking my dislike of mes/eles in pve)
Empathy cannon (Mantra of Recovery with empathy is the Wrath of God, especially on melee areas)
Saccer (fastcast IoW is fuuun!)
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if u wanna be a success through curses, u should check out a different profession, like a necro perhaps
Preacher, don't make me slap you. If we wanted necro propaganda we'd post there. Nothing in our discussion includes our 'love' of curses in any way. But don't worry preacher, 'if you wanna be a success through domination, u should check out mesmer'.
NinjaKai
My prefered style of combat for mesmer is a combination of interrupt and e-surge. I absolutely hate health degen even at max stats it's not very effective. One healing signet or some sort of healing spell and hp regained.
LightningHell
Avarre still hasn't said the most obvious thing that should be said. He/she implied it, anyways.
CURSES IS NOT IN THE MESMER PROFESSION. (GO BACK TO YOUR FREAKING NECRO SUBFORUM.) /flame
I hate the most, IW.
I hate less, degen.
I like, Domination/Illusion.
I like even more, caster shutdown, even though I'm baaaad at it. :P
(Avarre, when you mean Wrath of God, you mean Upheaval, right? Or PvE?)
CURSES IS NOT IN THE MESMER PROFESSION. (GO BACK TO YOUR FREAKING NECRO SUBFORUM.) /flame
I hate the most, IW.
I hate less, degen.
I like, Domination/Illusion.
I like even more, caster shutdown, even though I'm baaaad at it. :P
(Avarre, when you mean Wrath of God, you mean Upheaval, right? Or PvE?)
twicefeuled
I hate e-denial; I love interrupts, power block ftw. Almost as much fun as shatter hex.
Lady Callingwell
Just some builds and ascending likabillity
----Resmer
---IW
--Antiwarrior
-Migraine
Flag Running
+Degen
++Surger
+++Orders
++++Glyph of renewal mesmer
----Resmer
---IW
--Antiwarrior
-Migraine
Flag Running
+Degen
++Surger
+++Orders
++++Glyph of renewal mesmer
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
Avarre still hasn't said the most obvious thing that should be said. He/she implied it, anyways.
CURSES IS NOT IN THE MESMER PROFESSION. (GO BACK TO YOUR FREAKING NECRO SUBFORUM.) /flame
I hate the most, IW.
I hate less, degen.
I like, Domination/Illusion.
I like even more, caster shutdown, even though I'm baaaad at it. :P
(Avarre, when you mean Wrath of God, you mean Upheaval, right? Or PvE?) Shutdown and interrupting are probably the trickiest of builds. It really does require a lot of attention on your target(s) and timing.
CURSES IS NOT IN THE MESMER PROFESSION. (GO BACK TO YOUR FREAKING NECRO SUBFORUM.) /flame
I hate the most, IW.
I hate less, degen.
I like, Domination/Illusion.
I like even more, caster shutdown, even though I'm baaaad at it. :P
(Avarre, when you mean Wrath of God, you mean Upheaval, right? Or PvE?) Shutdown and interrupting are probably the trickiest of builds. It really does require a lot of attention on your target(s) and timing.
Francis Demeules
I hate Degen.
I hate E-Denial
I hate IW
I hate Copy/Paste
But I love:
Warrior's Piss-off builds
Domination & Illusion mix
Mimic Mimicry
Monk's Helper (Basic support to support a monk)
Shutdown
Interrupt
Inspiration Builds (Build of mine)
The Remover (Build of mine)
I hate E-Denial
I hate IW
I hate Copy/Paste
But I love:
Warrior's Piss-off builds
Domination & Illusion mix
Mimic Mimicry
Monk's Helper (Basic support to support a monk)
Shutdown
Interrupt
Inspiration Builds (Build of mine)
The Remover (Build of mine)
holden
Quote:
Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
if u wanna be a success through curses, u should check out a different profession, like a necro perhaps
If you like interupts.... mesmers are good... i also know rangers and necros to be very good interupts
As for being a drainer......mesmers are the best... but you don't see much demand for them unless you are talking pvp.. but for pve good luck finding a group
If you wanna be a dmg dealer, i think u might need to take up a new profession lol. if you want to do real damage be a necro? is that what you just said?
maybe i misread. im not sure necros are very good at interrupts though.....
they're good at being interrupted.
If you like interupts.... mesmers are good... i also know rangers and necros to be very good interupts
As for being a drainer......mesmers are the best... but you don't see much demand for them unless you are talking pvp.. but for pve good luck finding a group
If you wanna be a dmg dealer, i think u might need to take up a new profession lol. if you want to do real damage be a necro? is that what you just said?
maybe i misread. im not sure necros are very good at interrupts though.....
they're good at being interrupted.
pigdestroyer
a bit off topic... but mesmers own necros... sad but true
WoofWoof
I played AE + Empathy + SS with my ME/N in PVE and found it very fun and amusing. Lots of little yellow numbers all around. Love MW and E-Drain in PVP. Hate e-denial in PVE.
NinjaKai
People don't encourage the troll. His only intention is to create hostility and make you flame him.
Neo-LD
Why do ED mesmers get no love 
Personally I like them because they win, and I like winning. I dislike playing IW mesmers because they suck.
Basically any mesmer which has an active, powerful, piss-the-other-guy-off style, I like. For example, roaming interupters, glyph mesmers with multiple tasks, ED-modded with diversion, illusion warrior hate, etc. Those builds are hard to play because they require attention, experience, and skill.
Personally I like them because they win, and I like winning. I dislike playing IW mesmers because they suck. Basically any mesmer which has an active, powerful, piss-the-other-guy-off style, I like. For example, roaming interupters, glyph mesmers with multiple tasks, ED-modded with diversion, illusion warrior hate, etc. Those builds are hard to play because they require attention, experience, and skill.
SnipiousMax
Hate:
Degen
Interrupt (If I do Interrupt I like Rangers (not a RANGER PLUG or anyting) and its not the place for discussing which is better...just a matter of having the Ranger and wanting to do something with him!)
Degen
and
Degen
Love:
50/50 Caster/Warrior hater build.
Degen
Interrupt (If I do Interrupt I like Rangers (not a RANGER PLUG or anyting) and its not the place for discussing which is better...just a matter of having the Ranger and wanting to do something with him!)
Degen
and
Degen
Love:
50/50 Caster/Warrior hater build.
MMSDome
I hate migraine interrupt because that is what i play and when it happens to me i get very angry. The ability to annoy people is awsome!
LouAl
I hate playing...degen
I love playing
Interrupt
Shutdown
Shatterer (echoing shatter hex and enchant)
Warrior hater
General support builds (wards, prots, etc)
Pretty much anything but degen...
I love playing
Interrupt
Shutdown
Shatterer (echoing shatter hex and enchant)
Warrior hater
General support builds (wards, prots, etc)
Pretty much anything but degen...
cronk
i like doing anything but interrupting on a mesmer. power spike is great, but the other ones have a very long recharge time. i like interrupting more with a ranger, as they have faster recharging times.
Corth
*note, this post isn't meant to bash mesmers in anyway, so if your easily offended by someone saying a particular class can do something more effectively, don't read the rest of this post.
Necro's are pretty good at interupts actually... though, Me/N would probably be the best interupter in my books.
I've actually yet to find a mesmer build that I hate playing (unless it's random skills popped into the skill bar!). Rezzmer does get boring, but that doesn't mean you have to stand around during the attacks and wait for the minions to die in order to do anything.
Interupting=fun
e-denial=fun
anti-tank=fun
IW=fun (I find it fun anyway)
hex spiker=fun
degen=fun (though I find nec's to be more effective here)
So Mesmer=fun.
though to be fair, I don't pvp much, so I don't e-denial much.
Necro's are pretty good at interupts actually... though, Me/N would probably be the best interupter in my books.
I've actually yet to find a mesmer build that I hate playing (unless it's random skills popped into the skill bar!). Rezzmer does get boring, but that doesn't mean you have to stand around during the attacks and wait for the minions to die in order to do anything.
Interupting=fun
e-denial=fun
anti-tank=fun
IW=fun (I find it fun anyway)
hex spiker=fun
degen=fun (though I find nec's to be more effective here)
So Mesmer=fun.
though to be fair, I don't pvp much, so I don't e-denial much.
Avarre
Quote:
Originally Posted by LightningHell
Recovery empathy is crazy, each empathy has a potential of nearing 500~ damage/20s, and every 5 seconds recast? In pure melee areas? Move over eles, real damage coming through!
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like doing anything but interrupting on a mesmer. power spike is great, but the other ones have a very long recharge time. i like interrupting more with a ranger, as they have faster recharging times.
This is why Lyssa gave us mantra of recovery 
Epinephrine
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
This is why Lyssa gave us mantra of recovery
Quoted for truth. This is a great skill - it was a bit pricy at 15 eenrgy a use, but I managed, and down to 10 it's super. If you run it with some good energy regen stuff you can really pound out the spells. Dropping recharge on Power Drain, Spike and Leak is nice The limiting factor is that you need high fast casting, and you can only really grab two other strong attributes that way. (You can try for 3 others but *I* end up spread thinly, as I like a good fastcasting)
LightningHell
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
Wrath of God 3W destroy all creatures!!
Recovery empathy is crazy, each empathy has a potential of nearing 500~ damage/20s, and every 5 seconds recast? In pure melee areas? Move over eles, real damage coming through! Wrath of God 2WW Sorcery Destroy all creatures. (Alternate text: Bury all creatures.) The M:tG card. The PWNAGE. But I think PvP people whould be smart enough. Of course, in PvE...this is a WoG. x (10 to the power of X, where X>30000)
Avarre
Ok so I forgot the exact cost
I'm a blue player.And of course I meant PvE! I'm only semi-decent at PvP Although in PvP, we are Armaggedon. Energy (mana) drainage!
LightningHell
We share so many similarities.
I'm also a blue player. I'm also semi-decent in PvP. I'm also a big fan of the Mesmer class. Now, isn't that just great coincidence? Or is it just Blue players tend to gravitate to Mesmers since it's about the same?
The Real Roy Keane
Quote:
Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
if u wanna be a success through curses, u should check out a different profession, like a necro perhaps
If you like interupts.... mesmers are good... i also know rangers and necros to be very good interupts As for being a drainer......mesmers are the best... but you don't see much demand for them unless you are talking pvp.. but for pve good luck finding a group If you wanna be a dmg dealer, i think u might need to take up a new profession What are you on about? How the hell are you supposed to interrupt with a Necro? However, you are right that Mesmers make poor damage dealers..but then that's not what they're there for, is it? Oh, and for the record, I don't like playing an 'anti-melee' mesmer; locking out casters would be a more productive use of your char.
Epinephrine
I too played denial builds by the end of my MtG days (started in early 90s with Red/Green though). I loved the colour shifting stuff though, ran a deck in the national tryouts called Doppler Destruction (with Blind Seers and such), made it pretty far, but didn't qualify
I suspect it draws a lot of control players, which is whay I hate playing energy burn - tha's just offense. It's a specialised nuker really, and not why I like mesmers.
Saborath Gilgalad
I'm no Fan of Playing Pressure Mesmers, I used to have to Play it in my old guild ran a heavy Degen-Pressure build in GVG. But I hate Facing Pressure Mesmers in Halls.
I love playing E-Surge/Denial, Migrane/Shutdown, FC Orders, and a Modded E-Denial sub Prot Mesmer (for GVG) Corth
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane
What are you on about? How the hell are you supposed to interrupt with a Necro?
spinal shivers anyone? (combine that with a rangers winter)
then there's also mark of subversion for monks.  :edit: this may seem offtopic... but if you hate playing interupt mesmers, there are other options for interupters.
LightningHell
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corth
spinal shivers anyone? (combine that with a rangers winter)
then there's also mark of subversion for monks. :edit: this may seem offtopic... but if you hate playing interupt mesmers, there are other options for interupters. Spinal Shivers is horrible in my experiences. Unless you use it...sparingly. Which is hard.  Necromancers are not meant to do this job.Mesmer can load up damage like crazy, too.
Epinephrine
Spinal Shivers (while off topic) is a fabulous skill. I use it in PvE, in PvP, you name it. It is incredible. Interrupting someone for 5 or 6 energy? Any time? Necromancers are totally meant for this. They do it better than a mesmer does. Mesmers have good point interrupts, but continual like that is Spinal Shivers job - though it's vulnerable, as it's a hex.
Anyone who would say it's lousy doesn't play with it enough. You simply need a build that doesn't need to cast constantly to make it efficient. Use some signets, use low cost spells, use a melee weapon, anything to deal damage or influence the game without spending a ton of energy.
LightningHell
That's why I say you need to use it sparingly, and not spam it like a Ranger's interrupts. Similar to Mesmer interrupts. (Except Mesmers' have horrible recharge, but some points (e.g. energy drain) to them too.) And there aren't people with the cranial capacity to play it :P
The Real Roy Keane
I take back my comment regarding Necro's inability to interrupt..although Spinal Shivers is very cumbersome to use when compared to the Mesmer or Ranger alternatives.
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