ATI Radeon 9250 PCI 256MB
Leader_Of_Da_Elites
I got this graphics card the other day hearing it was really good and it worked great. so last night i installed it and its took 4 minutes to load the first page of guild wars (i re-installed the game to aviod any problems). now its loading fine but its stuttering and i get lag all the time. any way to improve this problem or something? i spent $100.34 on it
MMSDome
9250 is a very bad deal.
I got the 9800 128mb for $119.99 and have never had a problem with it. Plus it was extremely cheap to, i think it was a one time deal though... IMO get a 9800 or better. Get a card that will last because i had a 9250 also and it burned out in 4 months. Truly the biggest waste of money.
I got the 9800 128mb for $119.99 and have never had a problem with it. Plus it was extremely cheap to, i think it was a one time deal though... IMO get a 9800 or better. Get a card that will last because i had a 9250 also and it burned out in 4 months. Truly the biggest waste of money.
glockjs
turn down all setting to the min. try to change the resolution to the same as your desktop is running at
scars of insanity
i have a 9500 256mb and it works perfect. lag every once in a while but still works great. it might be you internet connection try and check that.
wsmcasey
Take it back and get a 9800 pro or better, and increase your memory if your under 512 ram.............768 or 1 gig is a huge improvement for lag and slow loading screens in Guild Wars.
Teklord
I'd like to call attention to the part where it says PCI in the topic title. I do not know the answer to this thus I ask; do these replacement ideas come in a PCI flavor (9500, 9800 Pro etc)? I would likely assume the purchase of a PCI card was originally made because this person has no AGP slot, perhaps?
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Teklord
I'd like to call attention to the part where it says PCI in the topic title. I do not know the answer to this thus I ask; do these replacement ideas come in a PCI flavor (9500, 9800 Pro etc)? I would likely assume the purchase of a PCI card was originally made because this person has no AGP slot, perhaps?
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to answer that small truly irrevalent piddling detail of no significance what-so-ever .....................NO they dont come in pcithey do come in agp though and i hear if you use a shoehorn and a lot of thermal grease and a ball peen hammer it can be squeezed into a pci slot.
dont try this at home or work or even a shop unless you want to watch sparks and flying plastic
sheeshhhhh
D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
Do you have the up-to-date drivers?
I know older ones(divers) that come with hardware usally are most of the problems you might be having...
I would reccomend 768 or higher ram.
I know older ones(divers) that come with hardware usally are most of the problems you might be having...
I would reccomend 768 or higher ram.
Teklord
Okay then. So assuming as stated in my assumption I made in my previous message that this person purchased a PCI graphics card due to a lack of (AKA non-existant) AGP slot, then why would people be suggesting AGP cards?
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wsmcasey
I'm guessing that he has an AGP slot, unless his motherboard is super old. If thats the case, then forget about the Video Card, this guy has bigger issues to take care of first. If he only has PCI, then Nvidia has some decent PCI cards. I think you pretty much get what you pay for when it comes to Video Cards, unless you just get a smoking hot deal on a returned item.
Loviatar
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I'm guessing that he has an AGP slot, unless his motherboard is super old. .
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if he had an AGP slot he would never have looked at PCI cards to begin with.
even if he did check pci he would have seen better AGP cards for less and purchased one of them instead.
i guess
wsmcasey
I'm just assuming that he knows the difference between AGP and PCI. It doesn't state in the post, and for all I know he is just reading it off of the Video Card box that he just bought. I would definately go with AGP or PCI Express if the board is compatible. If he has an outdated motherboard then it probably has a lower bus speed, and a PCI Video Card isn't gonna do much good. The AGP slot will bypass the bus speed and go straight to the processor, thus it was made for gaming and rendering high end graphics.
I would definately go with AGP or PCI Express if the board is compatible. If he has an outdated motherboard then it probably has a lower bus speed, and a PCI Video Card isn't gonna do much good. The AGP slot will bypass the bus speed and go straight to the processor, thus it was made for gaming and rendering high end graphics.
LiQuId StEeL
Assuming you only have a PCI (ignore wsmcasey, he seems out of touch with the state of some 'prebuilts' that are out there... no offense, please) the 9250 is theoreticly as fast as you're going to get. Unfortunately the 9250 doesn't have the power to utilize the memory, so information will travel slower through the path of memory. If you still can, I would return the card you have, and try to find a 128mb version. Really though, there won't be much of a performance difference.
My similar card could run at max detail and max resolution at about 15-20fps (playable, but not pretty), and 30-40fps at 1024x768 on all low.
If you could give model numbers for the card itself (as well as manufacturers) and the computer/mobo it would help in diagnosing the problem.
My similar card could run at max detail and max resolution at about 15-20fps (playable, but not pretty), and 30-40fps at 1024x768 on all low.
If you could give model numbers for the card itself (as well as manufacturers) and the computer/mobo it would help in diagnosing the problem.
Alias_X
Exactly. I said that the 9250 was the best PCI card, and I still think it is.
Ulivious The Reaper
I've got a 9550 pci slot one i THINK... but yeh its yet to fail on me yet, i got used to the smaller screen resolution, but i partially think thats because of my monitor, but yes its a great card and i got it f0r 74.95 because it was 50% off since it was open, so great card but i think i got a great buy...
Alias_X
The 9550 is only AGP, and the 9250 is like the 9550 in PCI. I think that is how it goes.
Ghozer
You can get a 9600 in pci form, I installed one for a friend the other day, after thier old 9000 pci died. but thats in the UK tho, dunno about anywhere else, and it was a third party
Serafita Kayin
The 9550, 9600, and 5700 all come in PCI flavors.
Return it and get one of those.
Return it and get one of those.
wsmcasey
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Originally Posted by LiQuId StEeL
Assuming you only have a PCI (ignore wsmcasey, he seems out of touch with the state of some 'prebuilts' that are out there... no offense, please) the 9250 is theoreticly as fast as you're going to get. Unfortunately the 9250 doesn't have the power to utilize the memory, so information will travel slower through the path of memory. If you still can, I would return the card you have, and try to find a 128mb version. Really though, there won't be much of a performance difference.
My similar card could run at max detail and max resolution at about 15-20fps (playable, but not pretty), and 30-40fps at 1024x768 on all low. If you could give model numbers for the card itself (as well as manufacturers) and the computer/mobo it would help in diagnosing the problem. |
Loviatar
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I've ran a few PCI cards on old boards with some success, but the graphics capabilities were rather limited imo.
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but the real question is...................how were they compared to the onboard graphics chip and how happy was the pc to get its ram back from video duty?
LiQuId StEeL
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Originally Posted by wsmcasey
No offense taken..............I don't do this for a living, but I have knowledge of the past 5 computers that I built for myself, including all the upgrades in between. I've ran a few PCI cards on old boards with some success, but the graphics capabilities were rather limited imo.
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That is why my neighbor bought a Dell last month, and there is no AGP, or PCI-E slot to be found. They aren't meant to be changed in any way shape, or form, so they save the 10cents, and don't put the slot on.
PCI cards are beneficial for only one reason. To free up power for everything else. No, it won't be much faster, but it will make a difference. My PCI card changed me from mid teens to mid twenties when I got it.
AGP was introduced in the early ninties, but for whatever reason didn't catch on with mass producers. Shame really. Pre-installing a nVIDIA/ATI card into a prebuilt, and they probably could have charged double the cost of the card.
Adding the 128mb of graphics dedicated ram can mean thwe difference from playing on low and high settings.
swaaye
Radeon 9500 PRO/9700/9800 are all 8 pipeline GPUs with 4 vertex shaders.
Radeon 9000/9200/9250 are all 4 pipeline GPUs with 1 vertex shader, using a far less efficient design than said 8 pipeline chips. In fact Radeon 8500 is faster than all of those. PCI just makes things a lot worse too.
Googling this stuff woulda set you upon lots and lots of reviews.
This forum needs better moderation. With the unending stream of questions about video cards, there should be a sticky maintained by those who know this stuff. I've personally helped put together some threads of this fashion with some other forumgoers, but they've all been lost cuz they weren't stickied.
Radeon 9000/9200/9250 are all 4 pipeline GPUs with 1 vertex shader, using a far less efficient design than said 8 pipeline chips. In fact Radeon 8500 is faster than all of those.
PCI just makes things a lot worse too.Googling this stuff woulda set you upon lots and lots of reviews.
This forum needs better moderation. With the unending stream of questions about video cards, there should be a sticky maintained by those who know this stuff. I've personally helped put together some threads of this fashion with some other forumgoers, but they've all been lost cuz they weren't stickied.
Serafita Kayin
There are stickies, nobody reads them.
Hell I WROTE the video card thread to end all threads, but I see so few people using it...
Hell I WROTE the video card thread to end all threads, but I see so few people using it...
Loviatar
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There are stickies, nobody reads them.
Hell I WROTE the video card thread to end all threads, but I see so few people using it... |
i looked (and read as well) and i made a snagit for future referencethanks for the effort
geminisaga
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Originally Posted by Leader_Of_Da_Elites
I got this graphics card the other day hearing it was really good and it worked great. so last night i installed it and its took 4 minutes to load the first page of guild wars (i re-installed the game to aviod any problems). now its loading fine but its stuttering and i get lag all the time. any way to improve this problem or something? i spent $100.34 on it
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Leader_Of_Da_Elites
I guess im gonna have to get another grpahics card.. have a AGP slot so i guess when i BUY another graphics card (return it is out of the question opened hardware cant be returned) its gonna be a AGP thanks for the help i guess ill just sell this graphics card of eBay
after doing more research i found out that i dont have a AGP slot.....
after doing more research i found out that i dont have a AGP slot.....
Stealthy Trapper
I'm still somewhat new to this subject as well. Which is better, graphics cards that use the AGP or ones that use the PCI slots?
wsmcasey
See, now all that discussion with me over nothing, our friend here does have AGP after all
Teklord
To answer Stealthy Trapper: As a general guildline PCI Express > AGP > PCI for video cards.
Old Dood
What the Heck...I might just buy one of these ATI PCI cards for our work systems. We have 2 Optiplexes and one Dim 3000. I really hate the Optiplex line....they are really Dim 2400's in disguise. The Dim 3000 is a little better but not by much.
Still adding a PCI vid card to them would speed them up somewhat when I want to have some kind of fun at work.
Still adding a PCI vid card to them would speed them up somewhat when I want to have some kind of fun at work.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Stealthy Trapper
I'm still somewhat new to this subject as well. Which is better, graphics cards that use the AGP or ones that use the PCI slots?
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to be more clear than the others the original pci version is being scrapped as very slow and outdated.AGP is what replaced the original pci many years ago and is much better in all respects than pci.
NOW THE CONFUSION
there is a newer version called PCI-EXPRESS which is better than AGP but is completely incompatable with and not to be confused with the old original pci.
hope this helps some
Stealthy Trapper
So I see says the blind man.
No, that is what I thought. I always knew PCI express was better than APG I just got confused between the name diffences between PCI and PCI express.
Cool ty
No, that is what I thought. I always knew PCI express was better than APG I just got confused between the name diffences between PCI and PCI express.
Cool ty