hm...anybody else notice?
Juggalo_Caronie
From what ive seen and judging in the last BWE, it seems that the people that play guild wars,...mostly all of them are actually kind of...MATURE!
i have never played a game without some kids or somebody going ''TOTALLY PWNED! J00!''
or some stupid stuff like that.....you can single out almost everybody that plays the game and just talk to them one on one and most of them seem like REAL people....i dont know if any of you have noticed...ive never run into ONE of those kind of ''HAXOR!!!!'' kind of people.....
i think this will make the game HELLA more enjoyable...i mean think about trading...people will actually trade fair and know what there doing and stuff
i dont know maybe im just on a good luck streak, but everybody ive played with so far is pretty cool
i have never played a game without some kids or somebody going ''TOTALLY PWNED! J00!''
or some stupid stuff like that.....you can single out almost everybody that plays the game and just talk to them one on one and most of them seem like REAL people....i dont know if any of you have noticed...ive never run into ONE of those kind of ''HAXOR!!!!'' kind of people.....
i think this will make the game HELLA more enjoyable...i mean think about trading...people will actually trade fair and know what there doing and stuff
i dont know maybe im just on a good luck streak, but everybody ive played with so far is pretty cool
CheopisIV
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Originally Posted by Juggalo_Caronie
From what ive seen and judging in the last BWE, it seems that the people that play guild wars,...mostly all of them are actually kind of...MATURE!
i have never played a game without some kids or somebody going ''TOTALLY PWNED! J00!'' or some stupid stuff like that.....you can single out almost everybody that plays the game and just talk to them one on one and most of them seem like REAL people....i dont know if any of you have noticed...ive never run into ONE of those kind of ''HAXOR!!!!'' kind of people..... i think this will make the game HELLA more enjoyable...i mean think about trading...people will actually trade fair and know what there doing and stuff i dont know maybe im just on a good luck streak, but everybody ive played with so far is pretty cool |
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
wow, spammage
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
12 Ranger/nec LFG
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
"WTS lots o' stuff Whisper me"
But for the most part, i agree
Lews
I say maybe 50% of the time you get good people. And that percent goes higher as you get further into the game. But e3 the first time I logged on I heard " I am l33t, pwn joo, haxzor me, y@ dIg?"
Yes, I have to agree with the spamming stuff.
But mostly it gets alot better afte LA.
Yes, I have to agree with the spamming stuff.
But mostly it gets alot better afte LA.
Bobangry
I've also been quite surprised by the maturity of the majority of players. Having played from E3 on I have met many people in Guild Wars and am quite impressed. I don't know if the retail version will be quite as "idiot-less" as the BWE's but I'm sure enjoying it right now. I only have one guy on my ignore list...and that was so many events ago I don't remember why!
Most guilds have been positive in GvG -friendly trash talk notwithstanding- and other PvP for that matter. It's a much different atmosphere from MMO's like Shadowbane. I hope it will last.
Most guilds have been positive in GvG -friendly trash talk notwithstanding- and other PvP for that matter. It's a much different atmosphere from MMO's like Shadowbane. I hope it will last.
William of Orange
It's refreshing to find that most people are fairly mature about forming parties and just talking in general. Out of all the people I came into contact with this last event, there were only 2 people who I can confidently say were just downright mean to people in my party who were not living up to their "standards." That could be one of the reasons that I can enjoy just going around in Lion's Arch or Ascalon Arena and hang out for a while without becoming frustrated by all the "l33t" people out there.
Aladdar
I'm a little afraid this game will be worse than most MMORPG's in that form as there's no monthly fee required to play so all they've got to do is buy the game and they don't need a credit card. Not that a credit card has stopped a lot of kiddies from playing other games, but it does cut it down some.
Aria
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Originally Posted by Aladdar
I'm a little afraid this game will be worse than most MMORPG's in that form as there's no monthly fee required to play so all they've got to do is buy the game and they don't need a credit card. Not that a credit card has stopped a lot of kiddies from playing other games, but it does cut it down some.
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I was really worried over this too.. but as a guildie reminded me.. all I really have to do is run back to my guildies and/or friends.. *clings to guild frantically*
But even so.. strangely, I'm still optimistic at the same time.. the GW community has shown itself to be much more mature than any expectations of mine.. and well.. I also think that communities tend to be self-selecting.
I also tend to believe that a lot of those "U SUK D1EE HAX0RRRR" people also are more inclined to griefing. This is purely theoretical, of course, but well, GW doesn't have a foundation for any of the normal types of griefing to stand on thanks to instancing.. and so I still believe that the general amount of immaturity will be much lower in GW, than.. say, WoW.
Taranis
I'd say there are many different people on Guildwars:
20% -> OMG WTF H4X I R TEH 1337
40% -> Friendly and mature people
Rest -> Not bothering to talk at all
20% -> OMG WTF H4X I R TEH 1337
40% -> Friendly and mature people
Rest -> Not bothering to talk at all
Dave III
I'm not above using terms like "W00t" and "ph34r m3y3 m4d 1337 sk1llz", when appropriate and in order to get a laugh. Nor would I have a problem with someone else doing the same thing, as an occasional thing. What does bug me is constant mis-spellings and poor language skills, not to be confused with the occasional and perfectly reasonable mistype. It's one thing to "mses" up "wehn" typing faster than is normal, especially during high-stress situations like combat. It's another to "tak lik u cnt b bothrd 2 doo it rite". I find it hard to take people who do this again and again seriously. I realize (how shall I phrase this delicately) that there are different interpretations of how language might be used and the skills involved might vary somewhat, but still.
Eh, It's just a me thing, I guess. I just needed to vent. ^_^
As far as avoiding the l33t folks, if we all work to creating the kind of environment in the game where that kind of anarchy just won't work, then we can nip it in the bud, to coin a phrase. I'm not suggesting a thought police, but if we were to install ourselves in various locations and helped folks out when they ask questions, prompt discussions (like actual talking, not just WTB/WTS), and create an atmopshere where people, especially newbies, felt welcome and included (.... a lot like this very forum, I must say), then GW can become a very popular game with a wide crowd. The older online crowd I've met tend to enjoy situations that go beyond hack-n-slash, and GW could go that way- if we let it.
Naturally, Your mileage may vary.
Dave III
Eh, It's just a me thing, I guess. I just needed to vent. ^_^
As far as avoiding the l33t folks, if we all work to creating the kind of environment in the game where that kind of anarchy just won't work, then we can nip it in the bud, to coin a phrase. I'm not suggesting a thought police, but if we were to install ourselves in various locations and helped folks out when they ask questions, prompt discussions (like actual talking, not just WTB/WTS), and create an atmopshere where people, especially newbies, felt welcome and included (.... a lot like this very forum, I must say), then GW can become a very popular game with a wide crowd. The older online crowd I've met tend to enjoy situations that go beyond hack-n-slash, and GW could go that way- if we let it.
Naturally, Your mileage may vary.
Dave III
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Taranis
I'd say there are many different people on Guildwars:
20% -> OMG WTF H4X I R TEH 1337 40% -> Friendly and mature people Rest -> Not bothering to talk at all |
more than 50 per cent of those are new shy dont want to look the fool or have been burned enough by the experts who know everything but are not willing to share it with you type
the rest of the rest can be guilds talking teamspeak with regular chat off or the ones who consider themselves above and so superior to everybody that they wont even notice what is going on
i think it will get worse before it gets better
it will get better as good people interact and mark people as friends and the jerks get marked ignore
things will sort out and with the inability to grief there will be no oppertunity to gang up on someone with your little gang and make their virtual life miserable
which will take a lot of fun out of their lives as they are simply ignored
Dreamsmith
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Originally Posted by Aladdar
Not that a credit card has stopped a lot of kiddies from playing other games, but it does cut it down some.
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This is not a problem that can be solved by credit cards, it's a problem that is solved by instancing and guilding.
Joysze
I agree about the griefing part. Also I think a lot of immature players will be turned off by the fact that level is capped at 20 which means they can't flaunt their high levels and call other gamers noobs. And since this game is more skill based than item and level based, unless they're very skilled (which spammers and people who mouth off generally are NOT), they're going to get their little butts handed on a platter back to them.
Dave III, I know what you mean about poor language skills. It drives me up the wall. We have a guild member that does that and his excuse is, it's a game and I can't be bothered. When I'm writing a paper I spell things right. And I'm sitting there thinking yeah right!
All in all, the majority of the people I've had the pleasure of playing with have been really great. This last BWE has seen a whole lot more of people spamming to sell stuff. So much so that, you can't even carry on a proper conversation. But I think ANet is working on giving us the option of filtering unwanted chat out.
Dave III, I know what you mean about poor language skills. It drives me up the wall. We have a guild member that does that and his excuse is, it's a game and I can't be bothered. When I'm writing a paper I spell things right. And I'm sitting there thinking yeah right!
All in all, the majority of the people I've had the pleasure of playing with have been really great. This last BWE has seen a whole lot more of people spamming to sell stuff. So much so that, you can't even carry on a proper conversation. But I think ANet is working on giving us the option of filtering unwanted chat out.
Dave III
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Originally Posted by Joysze
I agree about the griefing part. Also I think a lot of immature players will be turned off by the fact that level is capped at 20 which means they can't flaunt their high levels and call other gamers noobs. And since this game is more skill based than item and level based, unless they're very skilled (which spammers and people who mouth off generally are NOT), they're going to get their little butts handed on a platter back to them.
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Yes, I suspect they just won't have enough to do, really. And won't it be fun to do a little platter service? ^_^ I'd be suprised if the skills and tactics learned here didn't help GW players better in other games, as well.
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Originally Posted by Joysze
Dave III, I know what you mean about poor language skills. It drives me up the wall. We have a guild member that does that and his excuse is, it's a game and I can't be bothered. When I'm writing a paper I spell things right. And I'm sitting there thinking yeah right!
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I just can't understand why people think that way. One guy on a mailing list I was on claimed it was a lack of education, but since it was a 3D graphics list and his work belied a keen understanding of the software I didn't entirly believe him.
(By the way, Joyzse... is that a phonetic pronounciation of Jersey, as in New Jersey? if it is, it's hysterical. ^_^)
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Originally Posted by Joysze
All in all, the majority of the people I've had the pleasure of playing with have been really great. This last BWE has seen a whole lot more of people spamming to sell stuff. So much so that, you can't even carry on a proper conversation. But I think ANet is working on giving us the option of filtering unwanted chat out.
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Dave III
HotSnack
Heh don't worry, usually what happens with MMORPGs is that strong forum communities are made before retail, only for them to be dispersed with the influx of new players.
Yes, it's sad. I once hanged round the official City of Heroes forums a year before its retail. Admittedly its community wasn't as mature as Guru's, but it too had its fair share of mature people and informants like today's Guru staff. But once CoH hit retail, lots of n00bish (newb being different from n00b) talk flooded the forums, with the once forum regulars becoming more elusive (my guess being they have sinced formed guilds together to keep their community alive).
Yes, it's sad. I once hanged round the official City of Heroes forums a year before its retail. Admittedly its community wasn't as mature as Guru's, but it too had its fair share of mature people and informants like today's Guru staff. But once CoH hit retail, lots of n00bish (newb being different from n00b) talk flooded the forums, with the once forum regulars becoming more elusive (my guess being they have sinced formed guilds together to keep their community alive).
Dave III
I look at "newbie" on the same terms as the word "ignorant"... a temporary condition, and far from deserving derision or condemnation. Now, "stupid", that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish. I suppose "n00b" goes under that heading.
Dave III
Dave III
Aria
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Originally Posted by HotSnack
Heh don't worry, usually what happens with MMORPGs is that strong forum communities are made before retail, only for them to be dispersed with the influx of new players.
Yes, it's sad. I once hanged round the official City of Heroes forums a year before its retail. Admittedly its community wasn't as mature as Guru's, but it too had its fair share of mature people and informants like today's Guru staff. But once CoH hit retail, lots of n00bish (newb being different from n00b) talk flooded the forums, with the once forum regulars becoming more elusive (my guess being they have sinced formed guilds together to keep their community alive). |
And well.. to clarify.. when I say "explain.." I mean something more around the lines of "responding to ceaseless arguments flooding the forums until I want to smash my head against a wall." I know I'm being a bit hostile.. but if those individuals want 60+ levels to grind to (which isn't a bad thing by itself.. but which -is- everything that GW stands against).. then why not just play every other game out there, and leave GW to us instead of trying to change the fundamentals of the game itself.. *siiiiigh*
Mss Drizzt
I played for the first time this past BWE and had a blast. The people for the most part were very nice. The only thind I did not like was the spamming of the salesmen (traders). Now I like to trade also but that was just to much. I found it hard to have a conversation with anyone. Now I like the lvl 20 cap but whish you could get 100 more attrib. pts. That way you could make your character a little stronger so as to be able to play by him/herself.
Aladdar
my biggest complaint has actually been the fact that people don't talk. Back in my EQ days (Oh the horror) the community was actually really good most of the time. If you could ever get into a group, there was generally good communication. Suprisingly, the one thing that I believe helped that communication was the downtime. You had so much time sitting around in EQ that there was nothing else to do but talk and plan. The battles are much faster in GW, and imo, require better communication but that speed tends to slow down talking.
Kaiwyn
I would love to be able to play by myself. I don't think I will ever be able to keep up with some of the players on a team and I sure as heck know I can't chat while running and fighting (2-finger typist here).
Ages ago I used to play a game online called Empiriana. There were immature twits there too, but there were always seasoned players ready and willing to help a newbie through.
The one thing I liked there, though it is perhaps due to my poor co-ordination skills when with others in a game, was that when you formed a team, the team leader took over full control of your movement through the map, until it was time to battle. That left my hands free to chat....and I didn't smash into walls trying to keep up. It was sort of like a piggy-back ride. There were a lot of traps in that game so it was nice to hitch a ride with someone who knew the maps.
Ages ago I used to play a game online called Empiriana. There were immature twits there too, but there were always seasoned players ready and willing to help a newbie through.
The one thing I liked there, though it is perhaps due to my poor co-ordination skills when with others in a game, was that when you formed a team, the team leader took over full control of your movement through the map, until it was time to battle. That left my hands free to chat....and I didn't smash into walls trying to keep up. It was sort of like a piggy-back ride. There were a lot of traps in that game so it was nice to hitch a ride with someone who knew the maps.
Joysze
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(By the way, Joyzse... is that a phonetic pronounciation of Jersey, as in New Jersey? if it is, it's hysterical. ^_^) Dave III |
Dave III
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Originally Posted by Kaiwyn
I would love to be able to play by myself. I don't think I will ever be able to keep up with some of the players on a team and I sure as heck know I can't chat while running and fighting (2-finger typist here).
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Dave III
Scaper-X
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Originally Posted by Juggalo_Caronie
From what ive seen and judging in the last BWE, it seems that the people that play guild wars,...mostly all of them are actually kind of...MATURE!
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Fortunately, it's not to the point that I miss the little hormone-charged leetfreaks from Diablo II's Battle.net servers.
-- Scaper-X
Curlyfry
Hey, I also hate people who say pwnage and l33t, just spell the whole freaking word correctly. I am 14, but I am a gamer, not a stupid little idiot who spells words incorrectly, and scream stupid comments. While I was playing the BWE I didn't hear anybody screaming annoying comments like they do in Counter Strike, so I am being hopeful.
worthless
so how old is everyone??? i myself am 19 and feel that this game, although everygame has its share of immature people, has a decent sized population of adults (if i'm allowed to consider myself an adult , since i havnt really entered the real world yet)
William of Orange
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Originally Posted by worthless
so how old is everyone??? i myself am 19 and feel that this game, although everygame has its share of immature people, has a decent sized population of adults (if i'm aloud to consider myself an adult , since i havnt really entered the real world yet)
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Kaiwyn (56)
I rest my case
Scaper-X
The age range found in the Guild Wars community has a nice wide span. In addition, it is without doubt one of the most friendly and intelligent communities I've been a part of in all of my gaming years.
...and I'm making myself sound like an old man. 20, here.
-- Scaper-X
...and I'm making myself sound like an old man. 20, here.
-- Scaper-X
Phoenix Avenger
most of the people who say "your a haxor, you a suxor" and swear more than they say other words, dont have the patience this game requires, thats why you see less and less of them as you progress through the game. they give up when it takes longer than 5 seconds to kill something.
Nova
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Originally Posted by Juggalo_Caronie
From what ive seen and judging in the last BWE, it seems that the people that play guild wars,...mostly all of them are actually kind of...MATURE!
i have never played a game without some kids or somebody going ''TOTALLY PWNED! J00!'' or some stupid stuff like that.....you can single out almost everybody that plays the game and just talk to them one on one and most of them seem like REAL people....i dont know if any of you have noticed...ive never run into ONE of those kind of ''HAXOR!!!!'' kind of people..... i think this will make the game HELLA more enjoyable...i mean think about trading...people will actually trade fair and know what there doing and stuff i dont know maybe im just on a good luck streak, but everybody ive played with so far is pretty cool |
Mss Drizzt
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Originally Posted by Dave III
Heh, you're not alone there (i'm up to four fingers ^_^). The best thing to do is find people who will play at your pace. Talk to folks, maybe join a guild if they look like your kinda people, and you'll eventually find your level.
Dave III |
Canis Lupus
what is wrong with 2 finger typing? lol, i use 3..... just a step above myself....lol
but i agree that ya, way to meny "WTS/WTB" all over the place. the easiest remedy for that would be to all agree that a certain district (i.e. dist. 1 of each town) be held and used for just that. get all those spammers together... that way, if you want to go shopping, you know where to go.
I did meet a couple that were somewhat immature, but i am not going to hash them for it. they could have been stressed out and just gotten pissed. those were in the PvP arenas. if you lose, no big deal.... if you win, do a victory dance. but they dropped out saying somewthing about a bunch of losers...... i just laughed at him. he was either 10-12 years old or just pissed about losing a few times.
but i agree that ya, way to meny "WTS/WTB" all over the place. the easiest remedy for that would be to all agree that a certain district (i.e. dist. 1 of each town) be held and used for just that. get all those spammers together... that way, if you want to go shopping, you know where to go.
I did meet a couple that were somewhat immature, but i am not going to hash them for it. they could have been stressed out and just gotten pissed. those were in the PvP arenas. if you lose, no big deal.... if you win, do a victory dance. but they dropped out saying somewthing about a bunch of losers...... i just laughed at him. he was either 10-12 years old or just pissed about losing a few times.
Kaiwyn
I'm 56 but I love gaming. I still check out Diablo2 occasionally but less and less am I finding people willing to explore the maps and pick up loot and sell stuff. I like to take my time and most other gamers don't. I like to keep my stash full and buy better equipment. I like to work out strategy...most like to rush headlong...if that makes me old I guess I am, but I like hacking and slashing along with the best of them.
Mss Drizzt
I'm 31 and I have been playing D2 much less. Not at all this past BWE. As a matter of fact my wife almost killed me for playing 24hrs straight. But it was so much fun.
P.S. The name is because I have a female char. Although I whish they had elves. That way I could be a real Dark Elf.
P.S. The name is because I have a female char. Although I whish they had elves. That way I could be a real Dark Elf.
Genosha
You see now there's a mix. But I know a few peorple that play WOW & EQO and they range from 20's to 30's and beyond. Yes, I am myself 35yrs. and love playing this game. I am a Diablo, Diablo2+, DOOM+, Quake+, Unreal+, Half-Life+, Mechwarrior+, Never been in a clan because I never have time . As I have talked to my friends they have to much money invested to play Guildwars until I told them no monthly fee... Man I think everyone I know is going to jump ship (meaning: WOW & EQO) when Guildwars is released. Plus my son and a few of his friends are playing all reanging from 16 to 18.
dakyd
I would say that for the most part they are majority very mature they understand team work It is only sometimes i get in a party and someone wants to be a monk but go fight toe to toe and die and not heal i am sure others have had this problem
Scaper-X
Going to quickly derail the thread a bit here; seeing those older game titles got me misty.
Much love for the fans of the Mechwarrior series out there!
-- Scaper-X
Much love for the fans of the Mechwarrior series out there!
-- Scaper-X
Weezer_Blue
there is the occasional "Haha ha We pwned j00 n00b!" but then someone like me (who absolutely HATES ignorant people) will piss them off until they shut up, i go into a mission, or someone else tells them to STFU. hehe.
Scaper-X
What's nice is that those types are a minority in this game so far.
However, we'll see how many join up upon gamelaunch.
-- Scaper-X
However, we'll see how many join up upon gamelaunch.
-- Scaper-X
Genosha
Also, what's nice about the game is that even with the age differences it will really be hard to PK(Diablo+ or EQO) someone in the game.
Lews
So far I've only had to call one person a noob. And they really were.
"Ahh, m3 s0 l33t, I g0t p@$t T0uG| - | 3 $ t l3\/3L bY m3s3lF '
'Shut up you 'okay I thought this would be cencored' noob idiot. '
I was rather suprised that wasn't censored by a computer system, sorry.
"Ahh, m3 s0 l33t, I g0t p@$t T0uG| - | 3 $ t l3\/3L bY m3s3lF '
'Shut up you 'okay I thought this would be cencored' noob idiot. '
I was rather suprised that wasn't censored by a computer system, sorry.
Ellestar
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Originally Posted by Bobangry
Most guilds have been positive in GvG -friendly trash talk notwithstanding- and other PvP for that matter. It's a much different atmosphere from MMO's like Shadowbane. I hope it will last.
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In GW battles are fun, fair (no zergs like in SB etc.), results of a battle aren't really important for most players (after all, you can't lose a city your nation built for months) so it's not surprisingly that relations between guilds are more calm. In Shadowbane, for some players opponents are enemies. In Guild Wars, your opponents are your partners that also have fun playing with you. Also, in Shadowbane there are PK/RPK guilds that have a strong "US vs Them" mentality (it comes from Ultima Online) - they don't like Carebears and/or zergs. 1337 speak was one of the things that differentiated PKs from Carebears, it's like a sign that you belong to a PK caste.
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Originally Posted by Loviatar
the rest of the rest can be guilds talking teamspeak with regular chat off
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Originally Posted by Taranis
I'd say there are many different people on Guildwars:
20% -> OMG WTF H4X I R TEH 1337 40% -> Friendly and mature people Rest -> Not bothering to talk at all |
95% -> Not bothering to talk at all
And in towns it's "trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade trade"