I'm a level 10 W/Mo.....and I'm kind of wishing I had gone W/N instead, but that's a different story.
My trouble is that I'm getting crushed. I'm in Yak's bend, I tend to go out with henchmen, which I've heard from others are normally alright, and sometimes better than other real people. Usually I just take the healer.
I've got a sword skill set, (with a max dmg sword) heal area, frenzy....etc....but I'm getting crushed.
Is it because I don't have enough people in my party (I was trying to keep the #'s down so I'd get more xp and more drops), is it because I'm using henchmen (are they not that good?) or am I doing something else wrong. Its getting frustrating, every group I run into turns into a mess. It took me hours to beat the big dwarf group just outside yak's and I had 3 other hechmen. We'd kill one dwarf, and I'd lose everyone. Have to resurrect them all, and try again. I've been trying to pull guys out with a bow, but I end up with the whole group all over me.
I'm kind of rambling, so I'll stop.
Anyone have any thoughts, other than I'm a complete noob and should go play mario sunshine...
Thanks in advance
need some help - getting crushed
Jedi Osborn
Doctor Death
Ok the 2 skills you mentioned are pretty lame on a warrior.
Frenzy is considered a good PVP skill but a terrible PVE skill as in PVP you will usually not be the target of attacks but in Pve you will be.
Heal area is not that good on a warrior as you will mostly be next to your enemies hitting them in the face. Heal area will also heal them as well as you.
I dont know what armour you are wearing so upgrading to the Yaks set may help.
If you are still having problems take more hench or even real people.
Frenzy is considered a good PVP skill but a terrible PVE skill as in PVP you will usually not be the target of attacks but in Pve you will be.
Heal area is not that good on a warrior as you will mostly be next to your enemies hitting them in the face. Heal area will also heal them as well as you.
I dont know what armour you are wearing so upgrading to the Yaks set may help.
If you are still having problems take more hench or even real people.
Renegade ++RIP++
i hope you aren't using the heal area while you are attacking those dwarves since you would be healing them and yourself which would attest for the hardness to take them down.
On top of that I would kick frenzy out of my build as fast as it was humanly possible and either use flury, berserker stance or not bother with an IAS at all.
for the next part I would suggest to not take to expensive skills along as a selfheal. 10 energy is quite a big chunk of your available energypool to waste on that. I would suggest taking healingsig and some armourincreasing/evasionstance along so you can use them together and not get hit to hard while using it.
On top of that I would kick frenzy out of my build as fast as it was humanly possible and either use flury, berserker stance or not bother with an IAS at all.
for the next part I would suggest to not take to expensive skills along as a selfheal. 10 energy is quite a big chunk of your available energypool to waste on that. I would suggest taking healingsig and some armourincreasing/evasionstance along so you can use them together and not get hit to hard while using it.
keysersoze
why dont u tell us ur skill set maybe we can help u with that.
and u can also show us ur shield and sword
and u can also show us ur shield and sword
quickmonty
If you are taking henchmen take a full party. Along with the advice given here by others you should not have that difficult a time.
Burakus Lightwing
As everyone above has mentioned. Drop Frenzy, you will take double damage when those dwarves are "crushing" you. Heal Area is also no good for a warrior as D.D. mentioned. If you want to attack faster then use flurry instead. However, PvE I still wouldn't recommend this. Are you using an axe, sword or hammer? If you are using an axe consider cyclone axe and vigorous spirit. Also, increase your party size. If you want more drops and are limiting your party size then grab one more and see how you do. Personally, I would take a full party of henchies in that area anyway.
fiery
If frenzy is your only attack use a speed booast like SPRINT or another stance so when taking major damage turn on your other stance to stop taking the double damage.
DeanBB
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Now Frenzy + Healing Signet, that's a winning combo!
Level 10 is OK for this area but if you have unfinished quests back in Ascalon you might want to go do those, especially if they reward skills. Have you been to the Courthouse and Serenity Temple?
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Droknars Forge Crafter, armor of choice
Fungus Amongus
It sounds like you are using Frenzy with Empathy on you. There are quite a few mesmers in that area that will cast Empathy on you, which causes damage to you every time you attack. Using frenzy just speeds up the damage you take from Empathy, not to mention the extra damage from the warriors as a result of using Frenzy.
Lykan
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wsmcasey
If you are new to Guild Wars, it would probably be helpful for you to find an active PvE guild. Stand around Ascalon Dist1 for a while and weed thru the people that are recruiting for there guild. A decent PvE guild will have a mix of new and old players and should be willing to help you out or give you tips if you need help in the game.
Edit: I saw your bio and it says your in a guild "DOOM" already. Are you a guild of 1 person?
If I'm playing tonight I would be happy to help you out. IGN:Immortal Galrath
Edit: I saw your bio and it says your in a guild "DOOM" already. Are you a guild of 1 person?
If I'm playing tonight I would be happy to help you out. IGN:Immortal Galrath
Jedi Osborn
Wow, you guys (and gals?) are great! Thanks for the advice. I wish I wasn't at work so I could try all this stuff now.
I just noticed last night that heal area was healing the enemies as well....what's up with that??? Its gone.
Frenzy is going to be dropped too. It was alright when I was fighting 1 or 2 enemies, it helped finish them off quicker, but now I don't even use it.
Bezerker stance...I don't think I have that one, I'll have to figure out where to get it.
I've upgraded my armor pieces to 50. Most of the stuff from Yak's. Is there something better at this point?
I'm using a sword, someone gave me a decent one, I think its a max-dmg one. But it seems like my skills are limited, I use sever artery and gash. They do alright, but nothing fantastic. I'd go over to an axe or hammer, but this sword seems to be doing a decent amt of damage.
What's healing sig?
WSMCASEY: I am part of a guild, I joined when someone invited me early on. I still talk with him, but I've never done anything else with that guild. He's a great help, but FAR more advanced than I, so he's usually busy somewhere else. If you don't mind I'll look for you tonight, I should be able to get on.
party group size....I guess I'm just an old school gamer, I'm so used to playing alone that its tough to get used to the group thing, I just want to jump in and play, rather than hang around looking for a group. I'm a father of two little ones, so my gaming time is minimal AND valuable. But I should spend the time and find a good PvE guild like you suggested.
Thanks again for the help!
I just noticed last night that heal area was healing the enemies as well....what's up with that??? Its gone.
Frenzy is going to be dropped too. It was alright when I was fighting 1 or 2 enemies, it helped finish them off quicker, but now I don't even use it.
Bezerker stance...I don't think I have that one, I'll have to figure out where to get it.
I've upgraded my armor pieces to 50. Most of the stuff from Yak's. Is there something better at this point?
I'm using a sword, someone gave me a decent one, I think its a max-dmg one. But it seems like my skills are limited, I use sever artery and gash. They do alright, but nothing fantastic. I'd go over to an axe or hammer, but this sword seems to be doing a decent amt of damage.
What's healing sig?
WSMCASEY: I am part of a guild, I joined when someone invited me early on. I still talk with him, but I've never done anything else with that guild. He's a great help, but FAR more advanced than I, so he's usually busy somewhere else. If you don't mind I'll look for you tonight, I should be able to get on.
party group size....I guess I'm just an old school gamer, I'm so used to playing alone that its tough to get used to the group thing, I just want to jump in and play, rather than hang around looking for a group. I'm a father of two little ones, so my gaming time is minimal AND valuable. But I should spend the time and find a good PvE guild like you suggested.
Thanks again for the help!
Jedi Osborn
oh wait, I think I remember healing sig now, that's the one that heals a good amount, but lowers your armor a lot, right? Bear with me, like I said, I'm at work and trying to remember stuff from the game. Now if I could play at work.....
Canadian Bacon
Healing Signet=the first warrior skill you get.
Ya, it lowers your armor by -40 (which makes u take double damage, liek Frenzy), but that's where stances that let you dodge, evade, or block incoming attacks come in handy.
I think you said you usually take the monk henchie. Usually isn't good enough. Never leave town without a monk, because No heals=death.
Frenzy=death.
Definitely take some real peple out with you if you can find some. This game wasn't designed to be done solo (although its possible in some places).
Definitely watch out for the drawf mesmers, and their Empathy. I play a mesmer myself, so I know exactly the feeling of upraorious laughter that dwarf has when he gets to watch you kill yourself.
One more tip, in this game enemies are in parties, just like you are. That massive mob of dwarves is actually comprised of about 3 seperate groups. They are just smushed close together. Here is your lesson on "Pulling". Since enemies are in seperate groups, when you touch your aggro circle (the ring around your dot on the minimap) to just 1 enemy, only his party will attack you, and the other 2 will mind their own business. It is often handy to carry a longbow around for such situations. Even if its a crap bow, it will still have the huge distance of a longbow, so u cna get the enemy's attention from far back, and let him run away form the other groups, to attack you.
^^^I hope that made sense.
Ya, it lowers your armor by -40 (which makes u take double damage, liek Frenzy), but that's where stances that let you dodge, evade, or block incoming attacks come in handy.
I think you said you usually take the monk henchie. Usually isn't good enough. Never leave town without a monk, because No heals=death.
Frenzy=death.
Definitely take some real peple out with you if you can find some. This game wasn't designed to be done solo (although its possible in some places).
Definitely watch out for the drawf mesmers, and their Empathy. I play a mesmer myself, so I know exactly the feeling of upraorious laughter that dwarf has when he gets to watch you kill yourself.
One more tip, in this game enemies are in parties, just like you are. That massive mob of dwarves is actually comprised of about 3 seperate groups. They are just smushed close together. Here is your lesson on "Pulling". Since enemies are in seperate groups, when you touch your aggro circle (the ring around your dot on the minimap) to just 1 enemy, only his party will attack you, and the other 2 will mind their own business. It is often handy to carry a longbow around for such situations. Even if its a crap bow, it will still have the huge distance of a longbow, so u cna get the enemy's attention from far back, and let him run away form the other groups, to attack you.
^^^I hope that made sense.
Kook~NBK~
^^^ good stuff there! Empathy is another reason to take along real people, as you can get someone with hex removal to get it off you!
Empathy: for 8-20 seconds, whenever target foe attacks, that foe takes 3 - 30 damage. (you don't want to be the "target foe" - LOL)
And longbows rock for pulling apart mixed mobs! A longbow will hit someone that is outside your aggro circle, and it will only hit the one your aiming at, aggroing only his group (even if you only do 1 damage), leaving the rest of the mob alone.
Empathy: for 8-20 seconds, whenever target foe attacks, that foe takes 3 - 30 damage. (you don't want to be the "target foe" - LOL)
And longbows rock for pulling apart mixed mobs! A longbow will hit someone that is outside your aggro circle, and it will only hit the one your aiming at, aggroing only his group (even if you only do 1 damage), leaving the rest of the mob alone.
Jedi Osborn
Thanks for the info, I'm learning a lot.
I've got to start paying more attention. I saw that I had empathy on me, but I keep swinging....of course with 6 or 7 irritated dwarves around me, I really didn't have much choice.
On pulling groups, I've tried to stay just out of range and plug them with an arrow or two, but I tend to end up with bigger group surging at me than I had hoped. The large group of dwarves outside of yak's is one example, if I hit any of them, I'd end up with quite few after me. I'm not using the short bow either, so I should have a decent range.
I think I'll take your advice and look for some other "real" players.
I've got to start paying more attention. I saw that I had empathy on me, but I keep swinging....of course with 6 or 7 irritated dwarves around me, I really didn't have much choice.
On pulling groups, I've tried to stay just out of range and plug them with an arrow or two, but I tend to end up with bigger group surging at me than I had hoped. The large group of dwarves outside of yak's is one example, if I hit any of them, I'd end up with quite few after me. I'm not using the short bow either, so I should have a decent range.
I think I'll take your advice and look for some other "real" players.
luck3y
If you have empathy on you and are in a group of enemies, target yourself and use cyclone axe & stances until it ends.
Cherno
I remember the first time I left yaks on my first character and was horribly frustrated. The enemies there are significantly tougher than most of what you had run into before.
You start running into new enemy groupings and spells. I personally think that level 10 is a little low to be there but it can probably work out ok.
One thing that makes it harder is that the dwarves are more stout and have better armor than the things you have run into before. It is a good place to start learning and honing your pulling and coordination talents, as well as comboing up some skills.
You start running into new enemy groupings and spells. I personally think that level 10 is a little low to be there but it can probably work out ok.
One thing that makes it harder is that the dwarves are more stout and have better armor than the things you have run into before. It is a good place to start learning and honing your pulling and coordination talents, as well as comboing up some skills.
Jedi Osborn
Cherno, you're exactly right. things were pretty smooth up until now. I was getting by just fine.
Seems like its time to start playing smart instead of just bashing through.
Seems like its time to start playing smart instead of just bashing through.
LittleBull
I don't know guys, frenzy is almost always in my bar in PvE. I have to use it
selecitvely, but for me, it's the casters that the heavy hitters go for first. I
need to beat the bad guys off of them fast or I'm gonna be on my own
really quick. So I need it to build up adrenaline fast enough to use my other
skills to assist in the kills.
selecitvely, but for me, it's the casters that the heavy hitters go for first. I
need to beat the bad guys off of them fast or I'm gonna be on my own
really quick. So I need it to build up adrenaline fast enough to use my other
skills to assist in the kills.
Joh
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I don't know guys, frenzy is almost always in my bar in PvE. I have to use it
selecitvely, but for me, it's the casters that the heavy hitters go for first. I need to beat the bad guys off of them fast or I'm gonna be on my own really quick. So I need it to build up adrenaline fast enough to use my other skills to assist in the kills. |
Berserker Stance: Stance. For 5..10 seconds, you attack 33% faster and gain 20% more adrenaline each time you hit in melee. Berserker Stance ends if you use a skill.
About the group just outside of Yak's though, that must be the act of grenth himself. It's devilish. I don't think I've ever gotten past it without anybody dieing. With henches, I usually end up at about 15-45 DP. Whenever I create a new char nowadays, I just don't accept the quest "Shiverpeak Stragglers". That's what spawns that massive group.
Jedi Osborn
Where can I find the bezerker stance? Ascalon?
Joh...THAT"S what I needed to hear. Sure I realize my skill bar needs some work and maybe I should be adventuring with a few more people, but that dwarf group outside yak's is just TOUGH. Thank you!!!!
Joh...THAT"S what I needed to hear. Sure I realize my skill bar needs some work and maybe I should be adventuring with a few more people, but that dwarf group outside yak's is just TOUGH. Thank you!!!!
Francis Crawford
The dwarf group outside of Yak's is a lot tougher than anything you've seen before. It's not just you.
When I played through the game the first time, I liked to solo things. In Ascalon, that was pretty practical (I was/am a nuker). In the Shiverpeaks? No way. Anyhow, in a new town I'd pop outside alone or maybe just with Alesia to see what things looked like. I'd get killed fast, usually. After not many tries, I'd go to the other extreme and take a full set of henchies. With henchies, you can do just about anything without undue trouble, missions and special cases like the Drok's run notwithstanding. Worst case, you die, get rezzed, and keep going with ever more of the monsters being dead each time (something that might be hard to keep a group of humans together for if their mother's are making them get off the computer Right Now).
This is harder in missions, of course, since in a mission you've lost if there's a Total Party Kill.
When I played through the game the first time, I liked to solo things. In Ascalon, that was pretty practical (I was/am a nuker). In the Shiverpeaks? No way. Anyhow, in a new town I'd pop outside alone or maybe just with Alesia to see what things looked like. I'd get killed fast, usually. After not many tries, I'd go to the other extreme and take a full set of henchies. With henchies, you can do just about anything without undue trouble, missions and special cases like the Drok's run notwithstanding. Worst case, you die, get rezzed, and keep going with ever more of the monsters being dead each time (something that might be hard to keep a group of humans together for if their mother's are making them get off the computer Right Now).
This is harder in missions, of course, since in a mission you've lost if there's a Total Party Kill.
Jedi Osborn
That's good to know. I figured I was doing something wrong, but I had been soloing up to this point too. I'm hoping to get on tonight and try out the new stuff I've learned.
I'll have to stop stressing about the drops/xp and just take a bunch of henchies with me.
I'll have to stop stressing about the drops/xp and just take a bunch of henchies with me.
disposable-hero
If your wanting xp around yaks their oftern groups doing a selection of missions in one go. I find i just take all the yaks missions i can and do whatever the group wants.
chaos dragoon
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Jedi Osborn
Thanks again for all the advice.
I adjusted my skill bar and joined some PUG's. With the exception of one group, things went MUCH better.
I did keep frenzy in my skill bar, and I used it when I wasn't a target. Like if I was a step slow in joining the fight and had no one targeting me...I could unleash a bunch of attacks before I had to worry about taking damage.
Where can I find bezerker though?
I adjusted my skill bar and joined some PUG's. With the exception of one group, things went MUCH better.
I did keep frenzy in my skill bar, and I used it when I wasn't a target. Like if I was a step slow in joining the fight and had no one targeting me...I could unleash a bunch of attacks before I had to worry about taking damage.
Where can I find bezerker though?
TheOneAndOnlyX
You won find it for a long time... You can only buy it in ember light camp, port sledge and cap it in snake dance..
Marodac Evilbane
Do you use target calling to let the henchmen focus fire on your target? This helps to bring one enemy quickly, so you can attack the next one.
Select an enemy (the one in front of you will do nicely
)
Press ctrl + space
Henchmen will now all press T and attack the target you called.
Select an enemy (the one in front of you will do nicely
)Press ctrl + space
Henchmen will now all press T and attack the target you called.
Andy_M
As soon as you get to the next big city with a skills trainer I would recommend swapping Frenzy for Flurry. You can get it before that by doing the 'Hungry Devourer' mission.
Jedi Osborn
I did switch our frenzy for flurry, its working much better.
I'm on tot he kryta missions now, I finally got thru the yak's bend part. (it didn't take me this long, I've been away from the game a little)
Thanks for all the help.
capping a skill? I'll have to look that one up, not sure what that means.
I'm on tot he kryta missions now, I finally got thru the yak's bend part. (it didn't take me this long, I've been away from the game a little)
Thanks for all the help.
capping a skill? I'll have to look that one up, not sure what that means.
quickmonty
Cap, or capping is short for capturing. When you get to Lion's Arch there is a quest where you get a signet of capture (cap sig) which you can use for capturing skills from dead bosses. This is the only way to aquire elites skills, which can be found once you get to the Crystal Desert missions.
Jedi Osborn
ah...thanks quickmonty....I'd heard that term before but never knew what it meant. I just made it to lion's arch last night, so I'll be looking for that mission.
Former Ruling
To make that area dumbly easy:
- Consider using Axe. Early in the game you have a MUCH better skill selection with axes than swords, plus you get Cyclone Axe...
- Drop Frenzy. Your Attack speed isnt important here
- Drop Heal Area - if you NEED a monk self heal consider healing breeze only. Though heal sig is more than enough to heal you
- when going with henchies, go wtih a full party - NOTHING drops in that area that warrents you wantign the drops (just some crap you merchant for a few coins).
- Real people are NOT required. henchies are acutally better here because they listen to you and follow you..
Now. Instead of heading on the quest path and into that big group of 20 or so dwarves, go another way.
When you go into Yak's Bend, theres a path to the left, and a path straight. quest arrow tells you to go straight. Dont. Head left.
You'll reach a spot where there are some ice golems and summit next to a bridge thing, kill the ice golems, but keep going left, not over the bridge (that just leads you straight nito the 20+ dwarves area).
You'll reach a little path where you can zone into Ascalon Foothills. If you need the crafter quest there, then go, but otherwise, keep going on the path your on.
You come up around the back fo the area right infront of the Ascalon peopple one of the qwuests wants you to lead back, kill the spawns here but DONT talk to the people.
You can come up behind that mesmer boss one in the primary quest here and kill his spawn group easily.
Now you are on the other side of that huge group. From here, it is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to pull off individual 3-4 man summit groups and kill them peice by peice instead of having to rush into 20 of them.
Now just work your way back to the yak's zone point killing everything. go back and pick up the ascalon people, take them to yaks, dont zone into yaks, just go back and zone into the Borlis now.
And boom...you have every quest in that area done (minus class specific ones) with minimal effort.
- Consider using Axe. Early in the game you have a MUCH better skill selection with axes than swords, plus you get Cyclone Axe...
- Drop Frenzy. Your Attack speed isnt important here
- Drop Heal Area - if you NEED a monk self heal consider healing breeze only. Though heal sig is more than enough to heal you
- when going with henchies, go wtih a full party - NOTHING drops in that area that warrents you wantign the drops (just some crap you merchant for a few coins).
- Real people are NOT required. henchies are acutally better here because they listen to you and follow you..
Now. Instead of heading on the quest path and into that big group of 20 or so dwarves, go another way.
When you go into Yak's Bend, theres a path to the left, and a path straight. quest arrow tells you to go straight. Dont. Head left.
You'll reach a spot where there are some ice golems and summit next to a bridge thing, kill the ice golems, but keep going left, not over the bridge (that just leads you straight nito the 20+ dwarves area).
You'll reach a little path where you can zone into Ascalon Foothills. If you need the crafter quest there, then go, but otherwise, keep going on the path your on.
You come up around the back fo the area right infront of the Ascalon peopple one of the qwuests wants you to lead back, kill the spawns here but DONT talk to the people.
You can come up behind that mesmer boss one in the primary quest here and kill his spawn group easily.
Now you are on the other side of that huge group. From here, it is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to pull off individual 3-4 man summit groups and kill them peice by peice instead of having to rush into 20 of them.
Now just work your way back to the yak's zone point killing everything. go back and pick up the ascalon people, take them to yaks, dont zone into yaks, just go back and zone into the Borlis now.
And boom...you have every quest in that area done (minus class specific ones) with minimal effort.
fallot
Dont worry if you keep dying, just keep going at the mobs constantly. You will always be ressurected at the shrine. Even if you take out one dwarf before you die it will be some progress 
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Cherno
Jedi, I should be on tonight after about 6 central and if you want I can help you go through a few things and talk about some good practices.
Jedi Osborn
FR, thanks for the tips, that was a good post.
Cherno...sorry I missed you, I haven't been able to get GW to run right after the factions thing. But tech support got me up and running as of yesterday. I should be on tonight, I'll look for you.
Cherno...sorry I missed you, I haven't been able to get GW to run right after the factions thing. But tech support got me up and running as of yesterday. I should be on tonight, I'll look for you.
Peewee
i remember picking off grps one by one way back when i was a ranger. Dont worry bout ur secondary too much, as u can change it later. If ur getting killed loads, try takinf support skills *shudder* such as purge conditions, that can help a great deal. Hex removal is also nice ( i believe empathy is order of the day in shiverpeaks) so u will find that invaluable.
Silent Kitty
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MasterDinadan
Here's a useful tip regarding the acquisition of skills that you normally can't get until much later (on RP characters)
Skill trainers happen to sell any skill that you have unlocked on the account, and you can unlock ANY skill in the game by spending faction at a priest of Balthazar.
So if you want your low level RP character to get a specific skill (like Berserker Stance) make a PVP char, win some fights until you get the faction, use the faction to unlock the skill, then buy the skill from a trainer on your RP character!
The only trick is, it's hard to win PVP if you don't have very good skills in the first place
Skill trainers happen to sell any skill that you have unlocked on the account, and you can unlock ANY skill in the game by spending faction at a priest of Balthazar.
So if you want your low level RP character to get a specific skill (like Berserker Stance) make a PVP char, win some fights until you get the faction, use the faction to unlock the skill, then buy the skill from a trainer on your RP character!
The only trick is, it's hard to win PVP if you don't have very good skills in the first place