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MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

10 Mar 2006 at 20:31 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unclean

Interesting idea, MSecorsky! I wonder if it would slow the char down enough. Isn't it a 25% reduction in movement? And stormchaser gives 25%, so they'd cancel out. I wonder if someone can outrun the area in 15 seconds...

Muddy Terrain - Nature Ritual
Create a level 1-8 Spirit. For all creatures within its range, all creatures move 10% slower than normal, and speed boosts have no effect. This Spirit dies after 30-78 seconds.

Stormchaser wouldn't work at all. It would be a small slowdown, true, but a slowdown nonetheless.

Greedy Gus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Striking Distance

10 Mar 2006 at 20:40 - 42

And then bodyblock him

Unclean

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

10 Mar 2006 at 20:43 - 43

Very true! We've had to do that with that Yakslapper punk so we could take it down with AoE spells. Gus, if you did that and applied the other techniques mentioned earlier, you'd have my 5k.

@MS - ah, thanks for the clarification. Think it'd be enough to slow someone down?

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

10 Mar 2006 at 21:09 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unclean

Very true! We've had to do that with that Yakslapper punk so we could take it down with AoE spells. Gus, if you did that and applied the other techniques mentioned earlier, you'd have my 5k.

@MS - ah, thanks for the clarification. Think it'd be enough to slow someone down?

Well, it would definitely slow someone down. Real question is would it be enough?

Wellllll... if a group of R/Mo encircled you in a wall of spirits and body-blocked the gaps while healing...

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

10 Mar 2006 at 21:21 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unclean

@Carinae - Shame is a Me spell, and is cast on monsters (not allies). Malign Intervention is a Necro spell, and also can only be cast on monsters (not allies). My char is a R/Mo13.

Fair enough, but you didn't explicitly say we had to be allies. It's possible to meet in gvg or an arena for this purpose, and ironically I have better tools to keep you alive as your enemy, simply by blocking your spells and e-denial.

I would, of course, need an assistant to be allied to you to keep HB on you.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

10 Mar 2006 at 21:24 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unclean

and imagining how people react to this.

i would treat it as a joke especially as i was not losing a thing in doing it.

like the frog or something else coming along that adds something new and not expected.

side note

how many of you would pay to see a traveling circus every now and then for a show like the other special events?

Fungus Amongus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare] | [Rare] Alliance

10 Mar 2006 at 21:50 - 47

Does Divine Intervention have any effect? Or does it not trigger because you are not technically dying from damage?

Unclean

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

10 Mar 2006 at 21:51 - 48

And you've got the right idea, Loviatar. This is purely for entertainment value -- no harm done. What I personally have a problem with is griefers (like a malicious MM that builds up a huge army, stands by the healers/casters, and sacrifices to death only to let the minion army go hostile). But those types of people get reported and don't stay around for long.

@Fungus Amongus - Divine Intervention is an enchantment, and it's blown away with Contemplation of Purity. Even if you had it on, it would only benefit the character up to the max (1 health) and then it'd be spent, so the vampiric weapon would still drain at the same rate and kill the char.

LouAl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

10 Mar 2006 at 22:35 - 49

I could still keep you alive

pm obi lou kenobi in game if you want me to prove it (granted, knowing it is a CoP makes it MUCH easier)

Hint: I could keep you alive for exactly 31 seconds

nvm I forgot you would be my ally...but in an arena I could!

oh yeah, I was thinking about blackout

Alexi Jotun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

New York

Official SteamPowered Guild (Valves Valiant Tyrian Fighters, [VVTF])

10 Mar 2006 at 23:26 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unclean

You're right, Former Ruling. But Epinephrine got it right earlier.

The last question on the table is how I dealt with the +hp spirit. That's not an enchantment.

Simply sprint out of the spirit's range? Bring along dodge, storm chaster or escape and lather, rinse, and repeat.

Unclean

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

11 Mar 2006 at 18:47 - 51

Alexi - the "sprinting out" issue has been solved too. By casting the spirit and body blocking me with group members/spirits.

Aejorii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

SF, CA

W/

11 Mar 2006 at 19:25 - 52

I think everyone is forgetting something that can make his CoP useless for a few seconds..

Watchful Spirit!

Stripping is own enchants = insta heal!

Gunz Blazing Smile

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

12 Mar 2006 at 04:32 - 53

Just out of curiosity... how many people do you take in a group, do you move at all at the begging, and would you move to somewhere if I asked you to?

Because I get annoyed in certain areas of GW where maps are really annoying because I've gotten trapped between a wall and 1 monster, but why bother if you could have 7 R/Mo that have spirits all around you and just body block you like that. Either way, from that "angry monk" speech, I belive the monk didn't know the game he was playing as well as he thought.

-EDIT- Nice work BTW, thought out and everything, your just sneaky thats all.

Maxiemonster

There is no spoon.

Join Date: Jun 2005

Netherlands

Mo/

12 Mar 2006 at 10:14 - 54

A well can keep you alive as well.

Unclean

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

13 Mar 2006 at 16:14 - 55

@ Aejorii - that instaheal doesn't take away the degen of the vampiric weapon. So the char has 1hp, gets a bunch more from the instaheal. The char is still at 1, so the vamp kills them a milisecond later. Watchful spirit only delays the death by a microscopically small amount of time.

@Gunz Blazing Smile - ya, that's the solution (bodyblocking). Haven't run across a group that's tried that yet. I usually get a group together (lots of ele/n/me for some reason). I tell them they can all try at the same time (group effort is required for the solution). Some people just sit there, others try enchants. It's a lot of fun to see what people will try. And I think that finding the solution so quickly here just goes to show the people on this forum are much, much smarter than the average Joe Guildwars char.

@ Maxiemonster - with bodyblocking too, yes.

Kariston The Swift

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Sand Scorpions[SS]

R/Me

13 Mar 2006 at 20:11 - 56

Watchful Spirit. When you contemplate it, it'll heal you before the vamp weapon kills you.

Unclean

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

13 Mar 2006 at 20:52 - 57

Kariston the Swift - please see my reply above to Aejorii. To illustrate this further:

1. Char has 1/1 health
2. Someone casts Watchful Spirit on char, and that gives +50hp if the enchantment is stripped.
3. Char switches to -1 vampiric weapon. Only has +1 health regen.
4. Char casts Contemplation on self, kills the enchantment.
5. Char gets +50hp, but the max health is 1, so the char's health stays at 1.
6. Vampiric weapon still does -1 health degen.
7. Char drops dead.

Josh

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

England, UK

D/Mo

13 Mar 2006 at 20:54 - 58

Illusion of Weakness, with some Superiors?

Kawai

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

[cFo] Crusaders from Orr

W/

13 Mar 2006 at 20:58 - 59

haha nice post, id take u out to droknors trolls and farm them with u sitting there, wait for u to lvl to 20 then use my monk .. :P

Unclean

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

13 Mar 2006 at 21:21 - 60

Whoo hoo! I'd pay 2-5k to get power leveled 7 levels.

However: it only works when I'm with you and doing something (healing you, attacking monsters, etc).

Oh, and I don't know if I mentioned this before or not, but when someone has 1 health and casts infuse health or tries to sac health, it does nothing. Infuse health gives 0 health to the other ally, and keeps the char's health at 1/1. I wonder if Illusion of Weakness would do the same thing...

Dodo The Extinct

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Me/Rt

13 Mar 2006 at 21:37 - 61

I must say that this is a very interesting series of posts

.

Ilya Khan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Los Angeles, CA

-FdM-

Me/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 01:56 - 62

I will take your bet.
Spellbreaker would prevent you from casting anything on yourself. Spellbreaker + arcane echo = long enough a spellbreaker to get me past that 15 seconds. Another thing, divine intervention may help. Lets see...
With 2 people ,just add in a r/mo and slap on more enchants and symbiosis (as well as fertile season )

With 1 person -
Mending
Healing Breeze
Protective bond
Reversal of Fortune
Divine intervention
Whatever that protection enchant is that gives xtra life
Spell breaker at the end of cast cycle
+Arcane echo at the end of cast cycle

This would prevent him from casting CoP on himself while keepin his hp high enough (with high enough a regen) that he wouldn't be able to do anything about it : )

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

14 Mar 2006 at 02:11 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ilya Khan

I will take your bet.
Spellbreaker would prevent you from casting anything on yourself.

No it wouldn't. Spell Breaker only prevents hostile spells.

Megla Zero

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

North Carolina

[OS]

14 Mar 2006 at 02:26 - 64

Couldn't you also like, have someone continuously sac themselves and get a minion army up, and then have that person sac themself again to get a well up? That should work long enough to get the 15 seconds, so long as you can keep your minion army alive... two N/Mo's should be able to do it. One with the 55 HP build, and the other with Vengeance or Unyielding Aura, as well as the MM/Wells build. Have the 55 Sac himself once to get down to 1 health, then equip a vamp weapon. BR the MM first (if you can) and then have the 1 health person kill himself with the vamp, minion, res, dead, minion, res, dead, minion, res, dead, minion, res... etc as long as you can keep up with the steady stream of energy (maybe a 3 person team? 1 person Mo/N, other N/Me for echo or E/N for energy, and the saccer). Once you get your army up, then have the saccer kill himself again, body block the guy, and set up the regen well. That should work enough to keep him alive for 15 seconds. Or so I'd think, its just a matter of keeping your minions alive for long enough.

Edit: Sorry for the random, unordered post... I was typing while I was thinking, so thats how my thought process went

Adaria

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

Wayward Wanderers

E/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 02:37 - 65

What is the point of this thread?

Just to come up with ways to off yourself or what?

I really don't get it and don't see the point.

Flesh of Satan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

none

14 Mar 2006 at 03:09 - 66

you are actually playing 2 accounts at once.........

one the R/Mo
one the Monk casting the rez spell Ench that instantly kills u

use the gear to die instantly, then on your other account u use the rez skill Enchantment and die instantly as u take it right off

Megla Zero

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

North Carolina

[OS]

14 Mar 2006 at 03:26 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flesh of Satan

you are actually playing 2 accounts at once.........

one the R/Mo
one the Monk casting the rez spell Ench that instantly kills u

use the gear to die instantly, then on your other account u use the rez skill Enchantment and die instantly as u take it right off

Umm, we already solved this... he uses Contemplation of Purity to drop all the enchants on him, has max Sup runes to drop his health to 1, and then a vamp weapon to kill himself.

Unclean

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

14 Mar 2006 at 19:25 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ilya Khan

I will take your bet.
Spellbreaker would prevent you from casting anything on yourself. Spellbreaker + arcane echo = long enough a spellbreaker to get me past that 15 seconds. Another thing, divine intervention may help. Lets see...
With 2 people ,just add in a r/mo and slap on more enchants and symbiosis (as well as fertile season )

With 1 person -
Mending
Healing Breeze
Protective bond
Reversal of Fortune
Divine intervention
Whatever that protection enchant is that gives xtra life
Spell breaker at the end of cast cycle
+Arcane echo at the end of cast cycle

This would prevent him from casting CoP on himself while keepin his hp high enough (with high enough a regen) that he wouldn't be able to do anything about it : )

I'm not here to take people's money. Besides, the answer to this problem has already been provided in this thread, so I'm not going to bet anyone here anyway.

And to those that think that it's possible to sacrifice yourself to death with this build in less than 15 seconds, it doesn't work that way. Sacrificing health rounds up to the nearest whole number, so when I try to do a spell like infuse health, I lose nothing and the other ally gains nothing. Other sac spells are nullified too.

Megla Zero

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

North Carolina

[OS]

14 Mar 2006 at 21:05 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unclean

I'm not here to take people's money. Besides, the answer to this problem has already been provided in this thread, so I'm not going to bet anyone here anyway.

And to those that think that it's possible to sacrifice yourself to death with this build in less than 15 seconds, it doesn't work that way. Sacrificing health rounds up to the nearest whole number, so when I try to do a spell like infuse health, I lose nothing and the other ally gains nothing. Other sac spells are nullified too.

I know, thats why you have a 55 build set up... and then when you res, have the -50 cesta with a vamp axe/sword or something as your secondary equipment. So you just res, and die. Also... you said that it was up to the people doing it when the timer starts

Bahumhat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere

C A K E[YuM]

14 Mar 2006 at 21:08 - 70

Fertile season, nuff said. gives hp without reguirements. and cannot be striped or killed by your allies.

Megla Zero

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

North Carolina

[OS]

14 Mar 2006 at 21:12 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bahumhat

Fertile season, nuff said. gives hp without reguirements. and cannot be striped or killed by your allies.

He ran out of it with dodge.... and we already figured you could probably stop that with muddy terrain.

Aejorii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

SF, CA

W/

14 Mar 2006 at 21:44 - 72

Unclean, I'm under the assumption that spirits will be placed to increase his hp, so he should have more than one health.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

14 Mar 2006 at 22:10 - 73

Hey... let's throw some ritualists in there with spirits too!

Rayea

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

west yorkshire, Uk

Sisters of Serenity

N/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 22:20 - 74

um..is there a /suiside emot that lets you kamakazie?

Megla Zero

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

North Carolina

[OS]

14 Mar 2006 at 22:20 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aejorii

Unclean, I'm under the assumption that spirits will be placed to increase his hp, so he should have more than one health.

If you're talking about my build... no. Its 3 characters... all 3 necros preferably. One's got a 55 build, with a regular wand on F1 and a vamp axe/sword on F2... both with the -50 cesta as offhand. 55 Sac's himself for the first death, MM makes minion, the other N/Mo resses the saccer (he has 1 health now) so he just switches to the vamp weapon and lets that kill him repeatedly (like the guy who's trying to kill himself is doing). Then, once they amass a big enough army to trap him... the sac/vamp guy kills himself again and they set up the well of blood to give him +regen... so he won't die. Pretty simple, or so I'd think. It'd just depend on keeping the minions alive long enough.