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Priestess Chastity
yep 8.30 pst
Devils Adcovate #2
dang it...what do i do till then lol
Priestess Chastity
stream on the login screen, of course! (the whole thing is a conspiracy!) lol
Marcus Scaurus
Me personally, I'm glad they're doing the rollback. Why did you buy the game if your whole time on it is trying to find ways to get things without earning them. The purpose of the game is to play it..... isn't it?
As far as ANET is concerned, well, I want to play too. But I'm glad I'm not having to pay $20 a month for the same type of gameplay. Hats off to ANET for making a quality game without trying to take everyones cash to play.
As far as ANET is concerned, well, I want to play too. But I'm glad I'm not having to pay $20 a month for the same type of gameplay. Hats off to ANET for making a quality game without trying to take everyones cash to play.
Sirkaze
But my dream!! ohh well back to work selling stuff sigh...
NEOgeo
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Originally Posted by magnusdurus
Too bad for you.
Even if it was their fault, we can't say anything about it. You honestly haven't earned all those in honest ways. Plus, they don't charge us like everyother games of this kind. So, nobody should be complaining unless they got an uber item killing monsters  |
so i AM pissed that they are just ROLLING IT BACK, and not just reversing all trades via merchants during that time, but the reason they are not doing that is that in the TOS there is something about them not allowed to delete items (wich they have already broken numerouse times tho), so they should break it again, as aferall this is THEIR fault and noone elses, and u cant blame ppl for buying all that stuff, i just noticed it 5mins before i got disconected and bought 88shards and nearly 40 sup absorbs.
sure those items should be removed and use refunded, but a rollback of all game activity is lazy and evil, and not needed, at all.
sure it might take them then twice the time to get the servers back up and running, but it will be the fairest thing for everyone.
Static
So if you're on east(New York) the game should be up and running at about 11:30?
rugal nuker
ah,shit,i am experiencing exactly the same prob,will waiting solve the prob? 
Static
Yes, just wait till they finish rerolling and itll all be ok.
DeathDealer
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Originally Posted by NEOgeo
well, i did get such things, i found a godamn GOLDY half moon farming hydras, req8 15^50 10/10 , and also a +5 armour staff head AND wrapping wich i added to a colectors staff to make a very effective *defensive wicked staff of defense 20%/20%*, and also about 30K gold and 10k materials
so i AM pissed that they are just ROLLING IT BACK, and not just reversing all trades via merchants during that time, but the reason they are not doing that is that in the TOS there is something about them not allowed to delete items (wich they have already broken numerouse times tho), so they should break it again, as aferall this is THEIR fault and noone elses, and u cant blame ppl for buying all that stuff, i just noticed it 5mins before i got disconected and bought 88shards and nearly 40 sup absorbs. sure those items should be removed and use refunded, but a rollback of all game activity is lazy and evil, and not needed, at all. sure it might take them then twice the time to get the servers back up and running, but it will be the fairest thing for everyone. |
linh
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Originally Posted by DeathDealer
Easy fix chief...You write the server code with what you want it to do and submit it to anet with a job application attached...problem solved.
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I'm sure that perharps you must do a hard mission again or lose a rare items dropped from mob, but you will feel much better than if everything is going on with the chaotic economy and someone get lots of gold that they hadn't earned them.
Have sympathy to them.
Master Cravin
me to this sucks
max gladius
For ppl posting tonight...
Lets see, i have a problem connecting to game, should i post it on guru, or GO TO THE GUILD WARS MAIN SITE to see if there is a problem????
And to the guys complaining about them fixing it.... How many superiour monk runes, black dye, ecto and such did you buy during glitch.....
I love that they are fixing this problem as soon as they identified it, it could have majorly crushed the market....
Lets see, i have a problem connecting to game, should i post it on guru, or GO TO THE GUILD WARS MAIN SITE to see if there is a problem????
And to the guys complaining about them fixing it.... How many superiour monk runes, black dye, ecto and such did you buy during glitch.....
I love that they are fixing this problem as soon as they identified it, it could have majorly crushed the market....
noice1
Very happy to know that everyone who tried loading up on the merchandise won't be walking tall while everyone who was out fighting oblivious to it all happening would otherwise become the poor class. 
manitoba1073
just means im still middleclass here lol its 1048pm michigan time and they are still down for me
Jarek Longbow
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Originally Posted by NEOgeo
well, i did get such things, i found a godamn GOLDY half moon farming hydras, req8 15^50 10/10 , and also a +5 armour staff head AND wrapping wich i added to a colectors staff to make a very effective *defensive wicked staff of defense 20%/20%*, and also about 30K gold and 10k materials
so i AM pissed that they are just ROLLING IT BACK, and not just reversing all trades via merchants during that time, but the reason they are not doing that is that in the TOS there is something about them not allowed to delete items (wich they have already broken numerouse times tho), so they should break it again, as aferall this is THEIR fault and noone elses, and u cant blame ppl for buying all that stuff, i just noticed it 5mins before i got disconected and bought 88shards and nearly 40 sup absorbs. sure those items should be removed and use refunded, but a rollback of all game activity is lazy and evil, and not needed, at all. sure it might take them then twice the time to get the servers back up and running, but it will be the fairest thing for everyone. |
The fact is I don't understand what your purpose of bitching is, even when you have failed to submit a logical fix for the problem. Do you have any idea how hard it is to rollback certain aspects of a game and how LONG it takes to prune all that unneeded data out, not to mention the risk of even MORE screwups? Your whole idea of reversing just trader transactions is just plain dumb, it would take a server admin a solid day just to prune that information out, then filter for items that were sold for 250g between Time X and Time Y, then do another filter to make sure that someone who bought some blue or other regular colour dye for 250g didn't get reverted. All said and done, you wouldn't have a game to play for about 3-4 days instead of 3-4 hours
Come work on these types of games and see just how much there REALLY is to constantly do and the effort involved in even rolling back just a few hours. I'd be a little more appreciative of the effort that Anet's putting into this fix considering the fac that you are playing on their servers for free... but I guess that's just not good enough for you right? My name's Jarek and I work on MMO's.
-j
j_unit66
Neogeo im not calling you a lier but i doubt that you found all that "godly" stuff in a few hours... and even if you did, is it going to ruin your whole life to not be a couple K richer? it is just a game, the world is not over.
krogen
Nooo.... Looks like no Guild Wars for me today. 
It's 9:56 now, Central Time. Servers should be back in about 30 minutes. I go to sleep @ 11. No time to play. Got school to take care of.
I went on at about 3:50 Central, 5 minutes before servers were shut down (or whatever they did to them). I noticed that prices dropped because everyone was running around like crazy. I was gonna buy some runes and than... Blank rune trader screen.
It looked like people bought out superior absorption, no more could be found (woah, didn't know there's a limited number in the game... nice). Superior vigor was left.
The superior healing prayers rune was normal, at around 11k or something like that.
Didn't check on the material traders. Oh well.
It's 9:56 now, Central Time. Servers should be back in about 30 minutes. I go to sleep @ 11. No time to play. Got school to take care of.I went on at about 3:50 Central, 5 minutes before servers were shut down (or whatever they did to them). I noticed that prices dropped because everyone was running around like crazy. I was gonna buy some runes and than... Blank rune trader screen.
It looked like people bought out superior absorption, no more could be found (woah, didn't know there's a limited number in the game... nice). Superior vigor was left.
The superior healing prayers rune was normal, at around 11k or something like that.
Didn't check on the material traders. Oh well.
max gladius
Comments to multiple ppl...
Jarek, u couldnt have put it better... but u left one thing out... think of how many ppl changed items between accounts, that the admin would have to hunt down, so if they just do "delete x # of black dye from this person" and oh, its not there, so lets search the logs to who he gave it to and, oh, this person gets this much back, and this one this much, oh, and this came off this other guy.... it would be an endless search, specialy when u consider some ppl running 3 accounts or more and... then u have to consider the massive transactions the major ebay dealers do... as we all know its illegal, but making real $ off the game....
And as for the "perfect items" or "godly items" found... that glitch would have totaly pwned the market... think how easy your item would have been worth 1k or so...
1hr glitch... 1 ecto = 250g...
after glitch fiexed, 1 ecto = 7k...
Jarek, u couldnt have put it better... but u left one thing out... think of how many ppl changed items between accounts, that the admin would have to hunt down, so if they just do "delete x # of black dye from this person" and oh, its not there, so lets search the logs to who he gave it to and, oh, this person gets this much back, and this one this much, oh, and this came off this other guy.... it would be an endless search, specialy when u consider some ppl running 3 accounts or more and... then u have to consider the massive transactions the major ebay dealers do... as we all know its illegal, but making real $ off the game....
And as for the "perfect items" or "godly items" found... that glitch would have totaly pwned the market... think how easy your item would have been worth 1k or so...
1hr glitch... 1 ecto = 250g...
after glitch fiexed, 1 ecto = 7k...
Jarek Longbow
bingo gladius.
the fact is that you're talking server logs which extend to gigs and gigs of data stored in a readable ascii format... this ain't cool and it's the LAST thing a server admin wants. Anet isn't a big company by any means workforce wise (i know a few people at the Seattle office) so it's not like the task becomes shortened having to sift through all that junk. And exactly like you said, you have to go over this stuff with a fine tooth comb to make sure you DONT have to do it over again.
It's always interesting reading users opinions on fixes and whatnot to be honest... as game developers we strive to please the general population of the game and my hat goes off to Anet for doing what they are and providing all this for free to the users. People bitching about a 3 hour rollback is kinda like biting the hand that feeds you imo. Call it a nerf, throw your hands up, stomp your feet, cry like a little baby... if you're not happy with what's going on, I'm sure Blizzard would love to take $15 a month off your hands
-j
the fact is that you're talking server logs which extend to gigs and gigs of data stored in a readable ascii format... this ain't cool and it's the LAST thing a server admin wants. Anet isn't a big company by any means workforce wise (i know a few people at the Seattle office) so it's not like the task becomes shortened having to sift through all that junk. And exactly like you said, you have to go over this stuff with a fine tooth comb to make sure you DONT have to do it over again.
It's always interesting reading users opinions on fixes and whatnot to be honest... as game developers we strive to please the general population of the game and my hat goes off to Anet for doing what they are and providing all this for free to the users. People bitching about a 3 hour rollback is kinda like biting the hand that feeds you imo. Call it a nerf, throw your hands up, stomp your feet, cry like a little baby... if you're not happy with what's going on, I'm sure Blizzard would love to take $15 a month off your hands
-j
sinisters chaos
Well, they reset all merchant trades, BUT what if some people like my friend did this: Buy 5000 shards, Trade 5000 shards to a friend for 10 gold, The friend who recieved the 5000 shards won't get them deleted for they traded 10 gold for it to a REAL player, so you keep doing that and wait until 1 friend has like 20000 shards, then when the game is back up and running he splits them with friends who helped. I have no clue how ANET would stop this because they said they won't reset all player to player trades.
max gladius
15$ a month, and from what im told their servers crash alot, items disappear for no reason, cash goes from lots to 0, and noone cares, and the fact that u have to have a charicter on the exact server as ur friend in order to play with them looks overly inticing to me (no offence to the ppl who put up with that, or the company)
like i said, "so im told" noone hate me for spreading hear-say plz.....
GW all the way!
like i said, "so im told" noone hate me for spreading hear-say plz.....
GW all the way!
max gladius
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Originally Posted by sinisters chaos
Well, they reset all merchant trades, BUT what if some people like my friend did this: Buy 5000 shards, Trade 5000 shards to a friend for 10 gold, The friend who recieved the 5000 shards won't get them deleted for they traded 10 gold for it to a REAL player, so you keep doing that and wait until 1 friend has like 20000 shards, then when the game is back up and running he splits them with friends who helped. I have no clue how ANET would stop this because they said they won't reset all player to player trades.
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ROLL BACK, AS IN WHAT WE ALL ARE SAYING..... go to walmart, ask them what they mean by their pricing, u will get a better answer cause i dont want to explain it to u!!!!
Saborath Gilgalad
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Well, they reset all merchant trades, BUT what if some people like my friend did this: Buy 500 ectos, Trade 500 ectos to a friend for 10 gold, The friend who recieved the 500 ecto won't get them deleted for they traded 10 gold for it to a REAL player, so you keep doing that and wait until 1 friend has like 4000 ectos, then when the game is back up and running he splits them with friends who helped. I have no clue how ANET would stop this because they said they won't reset all player to player trades.
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Adaria
Still getting the error, and now it looks like it'll be down til about 2am Eastern Time instead of 11:30 Eastern, so much for playing some Guild Wars tonight while my net is playing nice.
Man, right after my bf got his new video card that actually likes Guild Wars to work, sucky luck.
Ah well, tomorrow I have almost all day to goof around on it, if its up when I wake up...
Man, right after my bf got his new video card that actually likes Guild Wars to work, sucky luck.
Ah well, tomorrow I have almost all day to goof around on it, if its up when I wake up...
NEOgeo
oh deer, seems we got someone here that doesnt understand that the game runs on DATABSES that are relativly easily manipulated with code formulas.
there would be no real manuall searching of the database(s) , there will be tracable variables for things bought and sold to and from MERCHANTS ONLY and within that time frame.
the only time taken would be to process those forumlas and recompile the databse, wich could quite possibly take a shorter time than rolling back the whole damn thing to a previouse state.
and you say maybei should come and try working on these types of games .. FYI i admin my own Lineage2 server and have done for quite some time, the whole economy and game world drops etc etc etc and mob data blah blah blah is all been setup and maintained by me, so i at least have some background on these issues.
and to tohers if you actually read all that i said, i still maintain for all the underpriced items bought in that time they should be removed to avoid a major economy crash and in the intrest of fairness.
but its that same intrest of fairness that brought me to this idea that they could have reversed all transaction with merchants only in that time, whether legit or not, its still better and fairer than rolling back the WHOLE GAME, including an almost infinite amount of things completly unrelated to the merchants prices reset.
i really dont know how i could explain my thinking on this any better now, but itsjust quite funny someone coming here preaching to me on the way game servers work, and in his paragraph say stuff that shows he indeed knows very little to none about how they are run and maintained.
and to see some other actually validating his claims makes me giggle with disbeleif even more, but each to their own i guess.
either way i will just be glad when its back up and running , its past the time they said it should be back up, and still not up for me at least.
there would be no real manuall searching of the database(s) , there will be tracable variables for things bought and sold to and from MERCHANTS ONLY and within that time frame.
the only time taken would be to process those forumlas and recompile the databse, wich could quite possibly take a shorter time than rolling back the whole damn thing to a previouse state.
and you say maybei should come and try working on these types of games .. FYI i admin my own Lineage2 server and have done for quite some time, the whole economy and game world drops etc etc etc and mob data blah blah blah is all been setup and maintained by me, so i at least have some background on these issues.
and to tohers if you actually read all that i said, i still maintain for all the underpriced items bought in that time they should be removed to avoid a major economy crash and in the intrest of fairness.
but its that same intrest of fairness that brought me to this idea that they could have reversed all transaction with merchants only in that time, whether legit or not, its still better and fairer than rolling back the WHOLE GAME, including an almost infinite amount of things completly unrelated to the merchants prices reset.
i really dont know how i could explain my thinking on this any better now, but itsjust quite funny someone coming here preaching to me on the way game servers work, and in his paragraph say stuff that shows he indeed knows very little to none about how they are run and maintained.
and to see some other actually validating his claims makes me giggle with disbeleif even more, but each to their own i guess.
either way i will just be glad when its back up and running , its past the time they said it should be back up, and still not up for me at least.
NEOgeo
EDIT .. sorry double post, im experiencing really bad lag with gwguru right now too, it timesout when posting but actually posts anyway it seems, again sorry
Jarek Longbow
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oh deer, seems we got someone here that doesnt understand that the game runs on DATABSES that are relativly easily manipulated with code formulas.
there would be no real manuall searching of the database(s) , there will be tracable variables for things bought and sold to and from MERCHANTS ONLY and within that time frame. the only time taken would be to process those forumlas and recompile the databse, wich could quite possibly take a shorter time than rolling back the whole damn thing to a previouse state. and you say maybei should come and try working on these types of games .. FYI i admin my own Lineage2 server and have done for quite some time, the whole conomy and game world drops etc etc etc and mob data blah blah blah is all been setup and maintained by me, so i at least have some background on these issues. and to tohers if you actually read all that i said, i still maintain for all the underpriced items bought in that time they should be removed to avoid a major economy crash and in the intrest of fairness. but its that same intrest of fairness that brought me to this idea that they could have reversed all transaction with merchants only in that time, whether legit or not, its still better and fairer than rolling back the WHOLE GAME, including an almost infinite amount of things completly unrelated to the merchants prices reset. i really dont know how i could explain my thinking on this any better now, but itsjust quite funny someone coming here preaching to me on the way game servers work, and in his paragraph say stuff that shows he indeed knows very little to none about how they are run and maintained. and to see some other actually validating his claims makes me giggle with disbeleif even more, but each to their own i guess. either way i will just be glad when its back up and running , its past the time they said it should be back up, and still not up for me at least. |
By all means, if you're gonna step out and flame someone who's actually talking out of pure factual data and has worked on and shipped quite a few games, I'd expect the counterpart of the discussion to have more to back up their words than just a "i run a Lineage2 shard". Lots of people run shards, doesn't mean they know a damn thing when it comes to the sheer volume and number count of a REAL server mate.
Items are pulled from the database, your logs are stored just as I said in a readable ascii format so that an admin can step in at will to verify an exploit, a violation etc. You still have to manually go through those logs to verify ALL transactions, simply comparing a database value against another of a previous time is a half-assed approach and proves to me just how little you truly are aware of the innerworkings of a real MMO environment and not some shard based crap.
PM me if you want to take me up on my offer
-j
p.s. not gonna clutter this thread up with some flame crap, I'll take the high road and simply leave it at this and if you wish to take it further then feel free to pm me.
sinisters chaos
Heh, I guess i misinterperated what GW's definition of a roll back is. I read that GW will reset all player to merchant trades, but in my post above i describe a way to trade to a player to keep all the shards. I guess they are going to reset all palyer to player trades too?? Can someone please clear this up for me xD.
chrisbenoitfan123
umm i live in austin texas so what time will guild wars be up and running for me?
max gladius
chaos, ask yourself this... if they, and i quote "we are rolling back the entire state of the game to shortly before the problem began"... what do u think they are going to do????
If you are still unsure,
YES EVERYTHING, DROPS, QUESTS, TRADES (buying and selling), PICK-UPS, GIVES, FREEBEES, MODIFICATIONS, DYING ARMOR, ADDING RUNES, DOWN TO CHANGING UR SKILL BAR!, is going to be reset!
If you are still unsure,
YES EVERYTHING, DROPS, QUESTS, TRADES (buying and selling), PICK-UPS, GIVES, FREEBEES, MODIFICATIONS, DYING ARMOR, ADDING RUNES, DOWN TO CHANGING UR SKILL BAR!, is going to be reset!
NEOgeo
hahha, half assed way ?? its the perfect solution and it would work, and REAL server ? my lineage server is perfectly real, unless i been tripping all this long time while i have been updating/comparing etc the sql databases 0.o
and because there is many makes my knowledge somehow invalid to you ? you havnt said ONE word about what it actually is YOU have done.
and shipped games ? dont make me laugh, im a relativly newbie and these things and i can see that you know almost nothing compared to my *little but enough to get by*
you still havnt given me one valid reason as to why anet couldnt have done this instead of rollback the whole thing, rollback is the easy and quick way out, and should only be used if the databases is literally corrupted and/or the logs are, or logs are missing all together.
and because there is many makes my knowledge somehow invalid to you ? you havnt said ONE word about what it actually is YOU have done.
and shipped games ? dont make me laugh, im a relativly newbie and these things and i can see that you know almost nothing compared to my *little but enough to get by*
you still havnt given me one valid reason as to why anet couldnt have done this instead of rollback the whole thing, rollback is the easy and quick way out, and should only be used if the databases is literally corrupted and/or the logs are, or logs are missing all together.
XxUberMonkeyxX
ive been gettin this error for like 5 hours, i tried loggin in like 5 times every hour or so and it keeps giving me the same error which is code=072 and i read on their anouncement that the servers should be running at aproximately 8:30PM PST.... well its 9:11PM PST and the damn game is still giving me the same error anyone know if its my connection or is it still the servers
edit: ok i just went to their website and it said 11:00PM PST ok i didnt know they changed it from 8:30 to 11:00 so that explains it
edit: ok i just went to their website and it said 11:00PM PST ok i didnt know they changed it from 8:30 to 11:00 so that explains it
max gladius
Here are a few reasons, MASS TRADES! u r a big server admin right, u follow the trade of one indivial item through 5 or 10 ppl...
No mulitply that by 50, then multiply it by 200, then take that, and watch them move it threw their account between all 4 of their players and storage,
Now, FIX it.... see if ur "30 min" fix will work...
its like AIDS... show me ur trade list and follow each transaction to the source, and the destination!
No mulitply that by 50, then multiply it by 200, then take that, and watch them move it threw their account between all 4 of their players and storage,
Now, FIX it.... see if ur "30 min" fix will work...
its like AIDS... show me ur trade list and follow each transaction to the source, and the destination!
chrisbenoitfan123
Its the same with me im friggin pissed off!!!! OMFG
chrisbenoitfan123
i mean i understand its a big long job for Anet to do this but they got the time wrong if they can be more exact when GW will be running it would be very helpful
Adaria
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Network News Due to a server error, Guild Wars experienced an unintentional reset of the traders. For nearly an hour, traders were selling items at unrealistically low prices. Due to the harmful impact that such an event would cause to the game economy, we are rolling back the entire state of the game to shortly before the problem began, that is, to 1:00 p.m. Pacific Time, 21:00 GMT. We estimate that the game will be accessible at approximately 11:00 p.m. PST tonight (07:00 GMT). |
chrisbenoitfan123
so for me id have to wait till like midnight....wow.........sucks.........
Sample Attack
I understand , going through ever logs take time.
But move back /restore back to the time , should be simple and easy..
It just taking FOREVER GRRRRR now 11 PM
But move back /restore back to the time , should be simple and easy..
It just taking FOREVER GRRRRR now 11 PM
max gladius
and guess what...
ponder on this for a sec....
this is gonna get u goen....
if its not fixed then....
they r gonna roll out the time! WOW... imagine that....
ponder on this for a sec....
this is gonna get u goen....
if its not fixed then....
they r gonna roll out the time! WOW... imagine that....