Not the proff, the name. Now, I know it's one of the words every little kid likes putting in their name(along with "Of Death")whether or not they spell it right, but an assassin doesn't strike me as much of a team player.
Boss says, "Assassin, kill this guy." Assassin says, "Ok!"
Assassin kills the guy in whatever way will draw the least attention.
Assassin says to boss, "He's dead. I want my money."
Anyway, just my 2 cents.
Why "Assassin"?
Toben_Hexx
Gunz Blazing Smile
"Assassin" in a name sounds more like a person that can solo, especially in PvP. I prefer a team player in this game, not a soloer unless its in PvE and they give me some/all drops from solo farming.
Toben_Hexx
Well, that was kinda my point. The name just doesnt seem to fit.
Jas D
I could care less, personally. What name would you suggest?
Gunz Blazing Smile
True... but they're them with a little track of thought that makes them think that this 1 name will make them stand out that they're "1337." Same goes with the name "Deathbringer." I have no problem with the names, just as long as your good to your word that your good as you say you are.
Grimm
Logically, yes, that makes sense. But then necromancers and rangers aren't normally the kind of people you would think of as being team players. Both are typically loners.
I guess the rationale is, given whatever the story is, all kinds of people are forced to work together for the good of their country/way of life/etc.
I guess the rationale is, given whatever the story is, all kinds of people are forced to work together for the good of their country/way of life/etc.
Toben_Hexx
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Logically, yes, that makes sense. But then necromancers and rangers aren't normally the kind of people you would think of as being team players. Both are typically loners.
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jciardha
Well, the original word "Assassin" derives from a medieval Middle Eastern religious cult, the Hashshashin. Yet, Anet decides to put them into a pseudo-Far Eastern culture instead. If you're into historical purism anyway.
SisterMercy
I think you're analyzing too much. Why assassin? Rogue was too much like Ranger, and it sounded cool.
Sol_Vie
Because assassins are closely tied to ninja, who we all know are 1337.
zidane888
...Cuz they flip out and kill people! 
Sol_Vie
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EternalTempest
Perfer Assassin > Ninja
AeroLion
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Perfer Assassin > Ninja
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Sagius Truthbarron
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Well, the original word "Assassin" derives from a medieval Middle Eastern religious cult, the Hashshashin. Yet, Anet decides to put them into a pseudo-Far Eastern culture instead. If you're into historical purism anyway.
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What? That doesn't make any sense at all. It has nothing to do with being a 'historical purist'. Just becuase the English word is derived from something doesn't mean that it originated with it.
And Assasins have alot to do with Asian military culture, and much less in comparison to do with that of Western military culture, in my opinion.
JiggyFly
Well using that logic than I suppose Monk is the worst name, because in all other games I've ever played a Monk was a H2H melee character.
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Yeah, they didn't have assassins untill Medieval periods.
What? That doesn't make any sense at all. It has nothing to do with being a 'historical purist'. Just becuase the English word is derived from something doesn't mean that it originated with it. And Assasins have alot to do with Asian military culture, and much less in comparison to do with that of Western military culture, in my opinion. |
(In japanese, a word for assassin is basically "man-killer"... in chinese, a word for assassin is "killing hand"... I guess in this case english suffers from using a non-descriptive loanword.)
Pevil Lihatuh
yeah it sounds solo... but then why the hell does DnD have thieves fighting in groups with clerics and paladins? A thief wouldn't be out fighting, he'd be hiding in a corner ready to swipe stuff out your pocket. Just think of it like that; the assassin is your group member who keeps out of the main melee then runs in and finishes off the enemy after you beat it up badly and finishes him off swiftly and efficiently. Now I'm sure it won't play exactly like that, unless you go for a caltraps type assassin, but its gonna be a similar kinda thing surely 
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Not the proff, the name.
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It should've been called 'scout', but that's taken, they couldn't call it 'rogue' because WoW's got'em, plus everyone spells it rouge anyway. He's sortof a ninja but not quite, and Chuck Norris beats ninjas. So what's left?
Assassin.
SilentAssassin
well I use Silent Assassin so that makes me a kid? ...
Well I am 19, find it quite weird to say stuff like that, oh well...
about why assassin?
assassins are closest related to ninja's (in games), its an obvious name...
Well I am 19, find it quite weird to say stuff like that, oh well...
about why assassin?
assassins are closest related to ninja's (in games), its an obvious name...
Cjlr
No no no. It's because it has a very sexy abbreviation...
ShadowMagus
Put simply, the name assassin was probably chosen because of the proffessions play style.
The assassin specializes in hit-and-run techniques, suprising the opponent by teleporting right next to them, launching a chain of fast attacks for high damage, and dissapearing again.
Further, assassin does not neccesarily imply solo - it is mearly a style of "combat" for eleminating the enemy. Assassins can come in groups of any size, depending on their target and circumstances.
The assassin specializes in hit-and-run techniques, suprising the opponent by teleporting right next to them, launching a chain of fast attacks for high damage, and dissapearing again.
Further, assassin does not neccesarily imply solo - it is mearly a style of "combat" for eleminating the enemy. Assassins can come in groups of any size, depending on their target and circumstances.
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Well using that logic than I suppose Monk is the worst name, because in all other games I've ever played a Monk was a H2H melee character.
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MalVeauX
I personally don't like the "assassin" name either. Look at the character types we have:
Globals:
Warriors - Global name.
Monks - Global name.
Elementalist - Global name.
They're global because it's a name that can represent a great deal of things. One can be less of a fighter, or more of a defender, etc. They have many options and each name doesn't neccessarily mean that they're the exact thing in your head. These names are pretty universal.
Specifics:
Necromancer - (Read: Not Sorceror!) Type name.
Mesmer - (Read: Not Sorceror!) Type name.
Ranger - (Read: Not Warrior!) Type name.
These are all more specific name types of a larger global name. Funny how it's in groups of 3's....
New Names:
Ritualist - (Read: Not Sorceror!) Type name again.
Assassin - (Read: Not Warrior!) Type name again.
Now, the Assassin is different though. The name isn't just a type name, it's quite different. It doesn't really fit into other categories, because the idea of a Fighter or Warrior doesn't work well with the idea of an Assassin. Assassins kill people not monsters. And in PVE that makes it a very silly idea. In PVP however, it makes slightly more sense, but again, it's not that useful because they're in a team. What's the point of calling them an assassin if everyone techically is one in PVP.
The Assassin should have a different name. Maybe a Head Hunter or something. Martial Artist? Ninja? It would just make more sense to get a more non-specific name.
An assassin is a very specific name in the idea of names. There's no question about what an assassin is or does unlike the other names, even the more specific type names above. Assassins are as specific as it gets out of all these names. It just doesn't fit.
Cheers!
Globals:
Warriors - Global name.
Monks - Global name.
Elementalist - Global name.
They're global because it's a name that can represent a great deal of things. One can be less of a fighter, or more of a defender, etc. They have many options and each name doesn't neccessarily mean that they're the exact thing in your head. These names are pretty universal.
Specifics:
Necromancer - (Read: Not Sorceror!) Type name.
Mesmer - (Read: Not Sorceror!) Type name.
Ranger - (Read: Not Warrior!) Type name.
These are all more specific name types of a larger global name. Funny how it's in groups of 3's....
New Names:
Ritualist - (Read: Not Sorceror!) Type name again.
Assassin - (Read: Not Warrior!) Type name again.
Now, the Assassin is different though. The name isn't just a type name, it's quite different. It doesn't really fit into other categories, because the idea of a Fighter or Warrior doesn't work well with the idea of an Assassin. Assassins kill people not monsters. And in PVE that makes it a very silly idea. In PVP however, it makes slightly more sense, but again, it's not that useful because they're in a team. What's the point of calling them an assassin if everyone techically is one in PVP.
The Assassin should have a different name. Maybe a Head Hunter or something. Martial Artist? Ninja? It would just make more sense to get a more non-specific name.
An assassin is a very specific name in the idea of names. There's no question about what an assassin is or does unlike the other names, even the more specific type names above. Assassins are as specific as it gets out of all these names. It just doesn't fit.
Cheers!
Grimm
That made no sense. There is nothing intrinsicly "global" or "specific" about any classes. They all can do many different things from offense to defense. Where do you come up with "sorceror" anyway?
You can try to split classes into "casters" and "fighters", but assassins do both. They have attacks and hexes, enchantments, etc.
You can try to split classes into "casters" and "fighters", but assassins do both. They have attacks and hexes, enchantments, etc.
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Konoha ninja were taken, as well as shinobis.
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Sagius Truthbarron
"Assassin" has become a pretty term global for 'hired killer; stealthful payed murder'. While its origins might not be global, the name now is among the English speaking.
They say that Abraham Licoln was assassinated. Was he killed by Muslim government operatives in 1200 A.D.? Something tells me, no.
They say there was an 'assassination attempt' against Ronald Regan. Does this mean a group of men on camels ran up to him, attempting to beat him with their curved sword thingies?
Fine, let's just get over with it and call the class 'Thief' or 'Rogue'.
Tell me another word that means 'Hired, stealthful, trained killer'. Hitman?
They say that Abraham Licoln was assassinated. Was he killed by Muslim government operatives in 1200 A.D.? Something tells me, no.
They say there was an 'assassination attempt' against Ronald Regan. Does this mean a group of men on camels ran up to him, attempting to beat him with their curved sword thingies?
Fine, let's just get over with it and call the class 'Thief' or 'Rogue'.
Tell me another word that means 'Hired, stealthful, trained killer'. Hitman?
Diablo???
The word Assassin did originate from ancient Islam, according to most scholars, but the profession it represents is universal and originates in any cultures that employs a hired killer.
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Seriously. Because if they called them ninjas, it would only be a matter of time before the pirates start peg-legging their way into Cantha. And we all know what happens when ninjas and pirates get together....
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stickyballs
Dunno, ANet just tried to make a cool name. How cool they will really be will be seen when Factions comes out. PvP weekend only let us see a glimpse of what they're all about. Pretty cool from what I saw. Combo, combo, combo, combo, Shadow Step, etc. I think they were just trying to get a catchy name.
And who votes there will be way more Assasins than Ritualists?
/raisehand
And who votes there will be way more Assasins than Ritualists?
/raisehand
Desbreko
To me, the name Assassin implies a style of play similar to how I played my trap/interrupt build on my ranger. In the case of trapping, I'd let the warriors aggro and draw the attention of the monsters, then run in and lay my traps among them. After my first Dust Trap was sprung, nothing could hit me even if they tried to attack me, and my Spike Trap would keep them snared in my follow-up Flame Trap. I couldn't kill things on my own with this build, but while working in the shadow of the warriors, I could do nasty, nasty things to the baddies.
Or, against casters, I'd be placing my bow shots carefully to interrupt important spells. Again, I couldn't really kill things on my own, but as a support fighter I could cause great havoc among enemy mobs.
I picture the Assassin similar to that, only as a melee character who has a little more killing power. Sneaking in behind the warriors, or teleporting in, to sow chaos among baddies and finish off weak targets. Hopefully I'm not too far off, because that's the sort of melee character I enjoy playing; the current warriors have never appealed to me as much.
Or, against casters, I'd be placing my bow shots carefully to interrupt important spells. Again, I couldn't really kill things on my own, but as a support fighter I could cause great havoc among enemy mobs.
I picture the Assassin similar to that, only as a melee character who has a little more killing power. Sneaking in behind the warriors, or teleporting in, to sow chaos among baddies and finish off weak targets. Hopefully I'm not too far off, because that's the sort of melee character I enjoy playing; the current warriors have never appealed to me as much.
NatalieD
Malveau, I think I get the point of what you're saying, but how the heck is "elementalist" more general than "mesmer"?
Metanoia
I remember reading something about the Assassin's outfits, It went a little like this... "When death is your business, you don't hide it, you wear it for all to see" - hence the spandex and razorblades theme... obviously.
What does this actually have to do with assassination? Assassination is all about efficiency. You want someone dead, do you send your army? No, you send an assassin or possibly a really good lawyer, depending on where you're from. On second thought, it's probably a lot cheaper to just hire the assassin. Then again, nobody likes lawyers, so maybe it'd be even cheaper to hire the lawyer and then get an assassin to kill them after they win at a discount fee.
Ninjas were often used as spies and assassins, d'ya think they walked around with neon-lit signs above their heads that read "Assassin. Come get some!". Of course not, bet they didn't run like monkeys either.
Edit: So to reiterate.
Assassin: Discrete efficient professional killer or partially-shaved, ballet dancing, spandex and razorblade wearing killer monkey?
*grumble grumble*
*moan moan*
Oh and Samurai > Ninjas.
*runs away*
What does this actually have to do with assassination? Assassination is all about efficiency. You want someone dead, do you send your army? No, you send an assassin or possibly a really good lawyer, depending on where you're from. On second thought, it's probably a lot cheaper to just hire the assassin. Then again, nobody likes lawyers, so maybe it'd be even cheaper to hire the lawyer and then get an assassin to kill them after they win at a discount fee.
Ninjas were often used as spies and assassins, d'ya think they walked around with neon-lit signs above their heads that read "Assassin. Come get some!". Of course not, bet they didn't run like monkeys either.
Edit: So to reiterate.
Assassin: Discrete efficient professional killer or partially-shaved, ballet dancing, spandex and razorblade wearing killer monkey?
*grumble grumble*
*moan moan*
Oh and Samurai > Ninjas.
*runs away*
wolfe2dale
This thread should be re-named the 'Geek of Assassins' thread....
Talk about over-analysing a new character class.
The way I see it the reasons are pretty straight forward....
1.) Assassins are considered cool by lots of people.
2.) Nothing like a girl with 2 big knives & a skintight outfit to increase player numbers, (Especially in the under 18 category).
So, new sexy character class = new players who want to play it.
Simple really.
Talk about over-analysing a new character class.
The way I see it the reasons are pretty straight forward....
1.) Assassins are considered cool by lots of people.
2.) Nothing like a girl with 2 big knives & a skintight outfit to increase player numbers, (Especially in the under 18 category).
So, new sexy character class = new players who want to play it.
Simple really.
Metanoia
If I may interupt the e-pwning, wolfe2dale.
Everyone already knows WHY they did it. People are just a little disappointed in them for actually doing it.
Edit: Not that anyone is being serious. Besides, since when is an excuse to post kitten-ninja videos a bad thing?
Everyone already knows WHY they did it. People are just a little disappointed in them for actually doing it.
Edit: Not that anyone is being serious. Besides, since when is an excuse to post kitten-ninja videos a bad thing?