As some posters have pointed out, some game publishers do engage in this business. It seems to come down to a question of whether you believe Anet when they say that they condemn this type of behavior. My understanding is that their condemnation is based on their desire to have a fair and functioning economy in the game, where the behavior that they want (presumably, playing alot and buying additional chapters) is encouraged.
What is the result of farming and ebaying gold? Inflation, pure and simple. More gold to go around, the items that are in demand will soar in price. If I were Anet, I would not want this, because it would take away from the enjoyment of the players I want, since it is now less easy for "honest" players (those who get their money through playing themselves, or individual level farming) to buy what they want. So I think Anet as a company would be undermining what they are trying to achieve by going this direction.
As for rogue Anet developers using their knowledge of the code to do this sort of thing, I just don't see it. Get caught and lose your job, pure and simple.
But it is a thought-provoking topic- credit to the OP for that.
Serious thought...read and respond. EBAY
Keeper of Birds
Loviatar
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which means that they will either play the game longer themselves or pay someone else to play the game longer for them. which makes for more people playing, more accounts
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you seem to forget that one of their biggest ongoing expences is the amount of time online playing.if the people play longer Anet/NCsoft make LESS profit per account NOT MORE.
conspiracy headache number 3678854567 shot down
Sunai
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[...] As for rogue Anet developers using their knowledge of the code to do this sort of thing, I just don't see it. Get caught and lose your job, pure and simple. [...]
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Count to Potato
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Protective Spirit For 5...19 seconds, target ally cannot lose more than 10% max Health due to damage from a single attack or Spell. If arenanet nerf this way... Protective Spirit For 5...19 seconds, target ally cannot lose more than 10% max Health 50...20 points due to damage from a single attack or Spell. Stop farmer machines, and speel still working... |
thunderpower
Let's see.
Who do you think that came up with the 55 monk build? Some1 uterly stupid or some1 who was realy intrested in farming?
Who do you think that came up with the 55 monk build? Some1 uterly stupid or some1 who was realy intrested in farming?
iceypain
Most gold on ebay is fake. I just took a look at some of the sellers, one has around 10mil selling throughtout the pages - all of his 11 feedbacks are no longer registered and all have similar names - coinsidence? I doubt.
Medion
Isn't it possible that someone has several auctions at the same time running for the same Item(gold) at Ebay?
I mean, If I would buy gold from Ebay (I Don't!), I would just select a random auction. The person with more auctions running at the same time, would have a bigger chance that I hit his auction, thus buying from him.
(I don't have any knowledge on Ebay, Im assuming it's something like a Guru-auction system)
Also, I agree that it would be way easier to sell on their own site for a low price if Anet would want to do this. (I hope they never will)
Not the secrets you know of, there may be many secrets, but as they are secrets you don't know they exist
I mean, If I would buy gold from Ebay (I Don't!), I would just select a random auction. The person with more auctions running at the same time, would have a bigger chance that I hit his auction, thus buying from him.
(I don't have any knowledge on Ebay, Im assuming it's something like a Guru-auction system)
Also, I agree that it would be way easier to sell on their own site for a low price if Anet would want to do this. (I hope they never will)
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Ninetail Trickster
A nice theory, interesting read, at least, but I can't say I agree. Look at it this way-
1 Guy with one high-powered computer bot-farms.
Nets $60 US on Ebay.
Buys another account.
Dual-Clients- 120 Dollars a day; Buys ANOTHER account-
Tri-Clients- 180 Dollars a day. (At least)
Botting.
So it just keeps going. And going. And going. He could let it run for a week, then sell.
30k+ a year. That's dang good, right there, for something that's not a job that doesn't get you arrested.
...now, if ANet did this, it would be infinitely more effective- let's assume that they use botting methods. They would have access to as many characters as they wanted.
They'd be raking in too much for someone not to notice. They'd've already been caught at it.
Just my reasoning, likely flawed.
1 Guy with one high-powered computer bot-farms.
Nets $60 US on Ebay.
Buys another account.
Dual-Clients- 120 Dollars a day; Buys ANOTHER account-
Tri-Clients- 180 Dollars a day. (At least)
Botting.
So it just keeps going. And going. And going. He could let it run for a week, then sell.
30k+ a year. That's dang good, right there, for something that's not a job that doesn't get you arrested.
...now, if ANet did this, it would be infinitely more effective- let's assume that they use botting methods. They would have access to as many characters as they wanted.
They'd be raking in too much for someone not to notice. They'd've already been caught at it.
Just my reasoning, likely flawed.
danakin
I honestly think devs run some of the auctions to catch people. In fact, I seem to recall one of them saying that they do in a log somewhere.
RaabTheGuru
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All the people that farm 10+ hours a day would have to find a new game or develop a new method of farming, or farm with warriors which is even more tiredsome and tedious than monking.
Maybe I'll quit complaining and wait for factions to come out. If that irritates me as much as some of the aspects of Prophecies, then I'll just quit quietly.
I guess MMORPG's aren't my thing, I can't stand the community.
RaabTheGuru
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I honestly think devs run some of the auctions to catch people. In fact, I seem to recall one of them saying that they do in a log somewhere.
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Wayne0205
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They spent a large chunk of cash to get GW up and running and continue to spend to keep it going. They wouldn't intentionally sabotage their own investments.
Reference the article about sweatshop farming. As long as people can make money by doing this, there will always be someone there to do it. Just not Anet.
It all sounds pretty silly to me
Inde
Well you say that Wayne but look at EQ2's Sony Exchange. It made so many upset but really, it was brilliant. Since they couldn't fight the gold-selling, they just incorporated it and supported it.
More game developer companies could go this route and just offer up a similar system for members of the community to exchange gold, items and characters.
And while I know it would pain any of us to think of game developer companies supporting gold-selling, there are publishers that work in conjunction with these businesses and actually get a kick-back for simply ignoring the problem.
The secondary market is said to be around $880 million+ a year.
If any of you want to view in-depth discussion on these topics and more, I highly recommend the terranova blogs (where you will recognize many developer's names from around the industry.)
More game developer companies could go this route and just offer up a similar system for members of the community to exchange gold, items and characters.
And while I know it would pain any of us to think of game developer companies supporting gold-selling, there are publishers that work in conjunction with these businesses and actually get a kick-back for simply ignoring the problem.
The secondary market is said to be around $880 million+ a year.If any of you want to view in-depth discussion on these topics and more, I highly recommend the terranova blogs (where you will recognize many developer's names from around the industry.)
Caveat Emptor
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Most gold on ebay is fake. I just took a look at some of the sellers, one has around 10mil selling throughtout the pages - all of his 11 feedbacks are no longer registered and all have similar names - coinsidence? I doubt.
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As to the original topic, Anet may buy gold to then ban the accounts, but I doubt very much they are involved in selling. I'm sure they're much more interested in the sellers than they are the buyers. Also, if Anet did the bulk of the selling, the price wouldn't fluctuate like it does when a new update comes out.
Kakumei
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Maybe I'll quit complaining and wait for factions to come out. If that irritates me as much as some of the aspects of Prophecies, then I'll just quit quietly.
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Manic Smile
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Best idea I've ever heard. This definately would get rid of all the monk bots and farming machines out there, yet the skill would still be of use to normal PvE players. This should be taken into affect, but you'll never see the 55 monk nerfed...WHY? Because the uproar that Anet would get from nerfing this would cause so much BS hysteria that the game would just go on a downward spiral.
All the people that farm 10+ hours a day would have to find a new game or develop a new method of farming, or farm with warriors which is even more tiredsome and tedious than monking. Maybe I'll quit complaining and wait for factions to come out. If that irritates me as much as some of the aspects of Prophecies, then I'll just quit quietly. I guess MMORPG's aren't my thing, I can't stand the community. |
VampiricuS
in my opinion the only way to stop it from being sold on ebay is for anet to make some sort of agreement with ebay to not allow it to be sold. but thats highly unlikey to happen i think due to the freedom to sell bla bla. but it does piss me off, just last night a guy was braggin about his million gold he just bought on ebay and opening trade windows to flaunt it. I work hard for my gold and to be honest, when i put on a new weapon or kick ass armor, i appreciate it more. buying gold etc takes the fun out of it for me.
On the flip side, with so many people buying gold, how can you keep up with them because all those people will have better weapons and armor than the honest people? especially in PvP.
Anet needs to seriously (if they can) look at logs. or have a program running that notifies them when a huge amount of gold get traded without trading anything for it. Look at the players history and if its obvious, yank their account.
Another good idea which was already mentioned was have Anet guys buy the gold from ebay, and once the transaction is done, yank the account.
people who buy their gold dont realize that they are actually screwing the game up not just for the honest people, but for them as well in the long run. Ignorant.......
On the flip side, with so many people buying gold, how can you keep up with them because all those people will have better weapons and armor than the honest people? especially in PvP.
Anet needs to seriously (if they can) look at logs. or have a program running that notifies them when a huge amount of gold get traded without trading anything for it. Look at the players history and if its obvious, yank their account.
Another good idea which was already mentioned was have Anet guys buy the gold from ebay, and once the transaction is done, yank the account.
people who buy their gold dont realize that they are actually screwing the game up not just for the honest people, but for them as well in the long run. Ignorant.......
Pandora's box
A funny discussion!
No, I don't believe in a conspiray. A game that sells over 1 million copies won't need income like that! For the rest... Selling on ebay will exist as long as people are willing to buy. I'm amazed this is considered a problem in GW. For in this I have to agree the unique skill based concept is usefull: You can buy as much gold as you want, getting run to whatever point in the game, buy all items you need... But if you are just a lazy rich kid without any skills, you won't accomplish anything!
No, I don't believe in a conspiray. A game that sells over 1 million copies won't need income like that! For the rest... Selling on ebay will exist as long as people are willing to buy. I'm amazed this is considered a problem in GW. For in this I have to agree the unique skill based concept is usefull: You can buy as much gold as you want, getting run to whatever point in the game, buy all items you need... But if you are just a lazy rich kid without any skills, you won't accomplish anything!
Wayne0205
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Why on earth would you quit a game because other people like to devote their lives to it?
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in my opinion the only way to stop it from being sold on ebay is for anet to make some sort of agreement with ebay to not allow it to be sold. but thats highly unlikey to happen i think due to the freedom to sell bla bla. but it does piss me off, just last night a guy was braggin about his million gold he just bought on ebay and opening trade windows to flaunt it. I work hard for my gold and to be honest, when i put on a new weapon or kick ass armor, i appreciate it more. buying gold etc takes the fun out of it for me.
On the flip side, with so many people buying gold, how can you keep up with them because all those people will have better weapons and armor than the honest people? especially in PvP. Anet needs to seriously (if they can) look at logs. or have a program running that notifies them when a huge amount of gold get traded without trading anything for it. Look at the players history and if its obvious, yank their account. Another good idea which was already mentioned was have Anet guys buy the gold from ebay, and once the transaction is done, yank the account. people who buy their gold dont realize that they are actually screwing the game up not just for the honest people, but for them as well in the long run. Ignorant....... |
deathdela
How did he manage to open up a trade showing a million. He is probably joking around or something to get you annoyed. If he really did buy 1 million off ebay what is the point in playing the game if there isnt any goals to achieve and why would you spend real life money on game currency.
Ninetail Trickster
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in my opinion the only way to stop it from being sold on ebay is for anet to make some sort of agreement with ebay to not allow it to be sold. but thats highly unlikey to happen i think due to the freedom to sell bla bla.
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...or it's a new excuse for a constitutional amendment...
Ensign
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1. They dont want anyone else selling gold, they make it against the EULA to sell stuff via Ebay. This gives them a monopoly.
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If you understand the issues around gold selling you'd be laughing at this thread. The idea of a game company selling its own in-game currency is downright absurd. The amount they, and the entire industry, have to lose by doing so is so ridiculously high that no one with half a brain would even think of doing it.
That's not to say there aren't individuals within a MMO company that abuse GM powers or the like to sell gold on the side. You'd be pretty naive to think there aren't such people. But that's not the company, nor any sort of endorsement. If someone who works for an MMO is caught selling in-game gold, particularly if they were abusing in-house powers to do so, they won't just lose their job, they'll be out of the industry for life. This is not a subject they take lightly.
Peace,
-CxE
torquemada
I just don't think A-Net would do such a thing, regardless of the fact that such bussiness on ebay could potentially ruin game's economics and the game itself. And the game has over mil accounts. I think the notion, while amusing, is rather silly. But conspiracy theories in general ftw !
UndeadRoadkill
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I honestly think devs run some of the auctions to catch people. In fact, I seem to recall one of them saying that they do in a log somewhere.
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Anet entering auctions to catch the IGNs of ebay sellers would make more sense. They wouldn't even be breaching ebay regulations.
Spiderguard
Any simple accounting audit would find the money Anet would make off Ebay.