graphics cards?
Mss Drizzt
I would love it if they used an AMD 2400+ for the GPU. Then we would have one kick ass Graphic card.
vas moon
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Originally Posted by Kirbie
you sure you didnt had any problems with geforce 6800gt(256mb ddr3) in guildwars?
 i also have geforce 6800gt and gig of ram, but i have 2 problems which i posted in previous thread....which i reported to AreanNet. what is manufacturer of your card? and what driver were you using? mine is from bfg, and my driver was forceware 71.84 if driver was different, it makes sense(that it is driver problem)...but if we were using same driver....  and yes...i notice that image with nvidia card(6800gt) looks more luxurious. |
im using the 6.6.9.3 10/29/2004 driver from Nvidia and the card is also from BFG. Did you get the 'new' driver to work?
Kirbie
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Originally Posted by vas moon
im using the 6.6.9.3 10/29/2004 driver from Nvidia and the card is also from BFG. Did you get the 'new' driver to work?
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hmm...it must be a driver problem
yes, my new driver works well on desktop....except 1 visible problem
temperature display displays the temperature around 20% higher than what it should.
until next beta event....i dont know the graphics problem im having is fixed or not.
but i know for sure now that it is a driver problem since 66.93 worked well...and 71.84 doesnt
thanks vas moon
LordFu
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Originally Posted by Kirbie
hmm...it must be a driver problem
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Kirbie
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Originally Posted by LordFu
The newest drivers have a confirmed bug that causes certain cards to run signifigantly hotter, along with several unconfirmed ones. I suggest rolling back your drivers until the next version. Newer is not always better.
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because according to drivers manual
it doesnt say driver will "make" your card to run hotter.
but
it does say it will "report" 20% higher than what actual temperature is.
which means...technically if my card is running at 50 celcius, the temperature display will report that as my card is running at 60 celcius. so my card is not really running at 60 celcius, but running at 50.
where was your source of information?
i got my information from offcial nvidia drivers manual....and that was a reason i kept the driver. if they say it will "make" my graphics card to run hotter...then i obviously would have roll back to previous ones.
after all...no one wants to run things hotter(technical term-wisely) right?
so which one is the correct information? please help me with this...so that i can make my decision according to correct information.
Loviatar
nvidia has shaded the truth a bit at times in the past
have you taken a temp probe and checked actual temp?
it might be reporting what it accually sees
if it is simply reporting high then that is something very easty to fix
AS FOR VALUE
i am waiting for the results of a 6600GT SLI test which should be very interesting if it blows off a 500 dollar 6800 ULTRA
have you taken a temp probe and checked actual temp?
it might be reporting what it accually sees
if it is simply reporting high then that is something very easty to fix
AS FOR VALUE
i am waiting for the results of a 6600GT SLI test which should be very interesting if it blows off a 500 dollar 6800 ULTRA
LordFu
Your right, the temps just display incorrectly according to Nvidia. There are some issues with the drivers though. Check this out, and see if any of these confirmed and open issues are effecting you.
http://download.nvidia.com/Windows/7...Notes_7184.pdf
http://download.nvidia.com/Windows/7...Notes_7184.pdf
Mss Drizzt
The problem that the Nvidia cards have is with temp. If the card is running hot then you will not see the performance that you should. Same goes for the ram on the card.
I second the sugestion to take an outside temp prob. and see what is what.
I second the sugestion to take an outside temp prob. and see what is what.
Kirbie
thanks all
just in case...i rolled back my driver to previous one
better to prevent it rather than feel sorry later..so i decided to take safe side.
current driver has few problems(like two i mentioned previously) with guildwars anyways
again..thanks
oh..SLi will perform well...geforce 6600 is pretty good card too.
i hear it will double the performance as each card displays half of the screen each.
it may raise the framerates...but im not sure about improving graphic effects.
thanks
just in case...i rolled back my driver to previous one
better to prevent it rather than feel sorry later..so i decided to take safe side.
current driver has few problems(like two i mentioned previously) with guildwars anyways
again..thanks
oh..SLi will perform well...geforce 6600 is pretty good card too.
i hear it will double the performance as each card displays half of the screen each.
it may raise the framerates...but im not sure about improving graphic effects.
thanks
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Kirbie
oh..SLi will perform well...geforce 6600 is pretty good card too. i hear it will double the performance as each card displays half of the screen each. it may raise the framerates...but im not sure about improving graphic effects. thanks |
the only question is whether a pair of sub 200 $ 6600GT cards will beat a 500-550 $ 6800 ULTRA single card solution
the detail will be the same but in this case the FPS is the variable
Lews
No they will not.
2 6600's are almost equal to a single 6800 GT, but not quite, sense the GT has 256 mb of ram, while the 6600's have only 128 each, which is not doubled.
2 6600's are almost equal to a single 6800 GT, but not quite, sense the GT has 256 mb of ram, while the 6600's have only 128 each, which is not doubled.
Loviatar
sometimes real life figures fly in the face of paper assumptions which is why i am waiting for the test results
what they benchmark at will be of interest
accademic of course as i could not afford either solution
what they benchmark at will be of interest
accademic of course as i could not afford either solution
Mss Drizzt
Lews
Or
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...i/index.x?pg=1
And that other article suppourts it saying "6600GT in SLI mode? You will pay the same price and performance wise the 6800 GT will be better in higher resolutions as it has 256-bit memory in an actual 256 MB configuration. From that point of view you can't beat the 6800 GT.
I'm throwing in yet another little something. Buy a 6800 GT and you will be able to upgrade to SLI in the future when you need it. If you buy 2 6600GT's now your PCI-Express graphics card slots are full.
So the only reason not to buy a 6800 GT would be your budget. If you can not afford a 6800GT, well then a 6600GT makes a lot more sense. With that in mind you can buy another 6600GT when you can afford it. So the logic behind this is a little bit complex. But if we forget the "cool" factor then buying a 6800 GT would make more sense."
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...i/index.x?pg=1
And that other article suppourts it saying "6600GT in SLI mode? You will pay the same price and performance wise the 6800 GT will be better in higher resolutions as it has 256-bit memory in an actual 256 MB configuration. From that point of view you can't beat the 6800 GT.
I'm throwing in yet another little something. Buy a 6800 GT and you will be able to upgrade to SLI in the future when you need it. If you buy 2 6600GT's now your PCI-Express graphics card slots are full.
So the only reason not to buy a 6800 GT would be your budget. If you can not afford a 6800GT, well then a 6600GT makes a lot more sense. With that in mind you can buy another 6600GT when you can afford it. So the logic behind this is a little bit complex. But if we forget the "cool" factor then buying a 6800 GT would make more sense."
Lansing Kai Don
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Originally Posted by Virtuoso
The 9800Pro will blow you away if you find the FX5200 acceptable. And the 256MB of RAM on the FX5200? A marketing gimmick. That card will see minimal performance increase, if any, by bumping it up to 256MB RAM.
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Lansing Kai Don
Lews
I have used both, I like both equally. But I am sorry, hthe FX series of nVIDIA was crap.
Kirbie
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I have used both, I like both equally. But I am sorry, hthe FX series of nVIDIA was crap.
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so i go with performance for price to pick my card
this year...geforce 6800gt have been chosen
...hopefully it will last long though. technology is such a headache sometime.
Mss Drizzt
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yes..i have used both and like them all equally too...each company has its own unique pros and cons.
so i go with performance for price to pick my card this year...geforce 6800gt have been chosen ...hopefully it will last long though. technology is such a headache sometime. |
18 months. That is how fast things have been doubling since the beging. With a 3 year life span. Gee that just sucks now that I see it in writing.
William of Orange
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....&ref=10&loc=01
The price has been chopped to $59.99, with an additional $20 rebate makes it $39.99. The card is better than the recommended card for the game, so do you think it'd be a decent card to buy just based on the price? It seems like a fairly good card, especially if it's only $40.
Edit: Ehh, but it needs an AGP interface, and last I knew my motherboard has a PCI interface...
The price has been chopped to $59.99, with an additional $20 rebate makes it $39.99. The card is better than the recommended card for the game, so do you think it'd be a decent card to buy just based on the price? It seems like a fairly good card, especially if it's only $40.
Edit: Ehh, but it needs an AGP interface, and last I knew my motherboard has a PCI interface...
Loviatar
mosr recent motherboards (last 5 years or more and newer) have pci and an AGP SLOT
look in at the mb and see if there are 4-5 places to insert a card of one color and a different colored one offset maybe an inch from the others (4 in a row and 1 maybe an inch higher)
it is a 40 dollar card and in this case you WILL get only what you pay for
note that it is also ONLY a 64 bit pipeline while the others are 128 and 256 bit pipelines
CHOKE POINT for data transfer
look in at the mb and see if there are 4-5 places to insert a card of one color and a different colored one offset maybe an inch from the others (4 in a row and 1 maybe an inch higher)
it is a 40 dollar card and in this case you WILL get only what you pay for
note that it is also ONLY a 64 bit pipeline while the others are 128 and 256 bit pipelines
CHOKE POINT for data transfer
William of Orange
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mosr recent motherboards (last 5 years or more and newer) have pci and an AGP SLOT
look in at the mb and see if there are 4-5 places to insert a card of one color and a different colored one offset maybe an inch from the others (4 in a row and 1 maybe an inch higher) it is a 40 dollar card and in this case you WILL get only what you pay for note that it is also ONLY a 64 bit pipeline while the others are 128 and 256 bit pipelines CHOKE POINT for data transfer |
Loviatar
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Screw it then, might as well just wait. Kind of figured that it was just a product they wanted to get rid of, and I'd rather get something that will be decent in quality and value.
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drool at the top stuff and wait until it comes way down in price
then buy the budget version of the top dog
6600GT instead of 6800 ultra comes to mind
and it will last me for its full 3 year warranty (leadtek even supplies an overclocking utility of their own)
Zantos
I am using a latop with a built in ATI mobility Radeon 9000. PCG-GRV680
Will I have problems running the game?
I came across this post in the VN boards of guildwars called
"Any fix for the ATI Radeon bug yet?"
It is talking about laptops with ati 9000 will not work, and must use "-noshaders", is this true?
what exactly is "-noshaders" ?
I am really looking forward to the release and play it on my laptop but will be disappointed if it will not run.
Will I have problems running the game?
I came across this post in the VN boards of guildwars called
"Any fix for the ATI Radeon bug yet?"
It is talking about laptops with ati 9000 will not work, and must use "-noshaders", is this true?
what exactly is "-noshaders" ?
I am really looking forward to the release and play it on my laptop but will be disappointed if it will not run.
tastegw
i use a gforce 4 mx 420, witch is very small compaired to whats out now, but it runs super smooth so far.
the only problem i have, is that i dont see the aura on the bosses, witch really sux.
the only problem i have, is that i dont see the aura on the bosses, witch really sux.
Loviatar
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i use a gforce 4 mx 420, witch is very small compaired to whats out now, but it runs super smooth so far.
the only problem i have, is that i dont see the aura on the bosses, witch really sux. |
what made the difference between the GF2 line and the GF3-4 was pixel and vertex shaders
the reason you dont see the glow is because it uses directx 8/9 protocols and the MX line is only able to see direct x 7 protocols (same as GF2 cards)
jdwoody
I have a 6800 gt and GuildWars looks and plays beautifully! I showed a guy at work one of my screen shots (1280x1024 w/ 4x anti-aliasing) and he called BS that it was really a game...
William of Orange
So I just bought myself the ATI Radeon 9250 PCI Card, 256 MB version. Just getting ready to install it now, so hopefully everything goes well. I'll be checking back here if anything goes wrong though, and I'm guessing I'll mess it up the first time around. Hopefully this "ginormous" Getting Started book keeps me on the right track though...
Lews
William of Orange
Hallelujah!!!
The new card's in, the graphics are absolutely beautiful, I opened up the Guild Wars log in screen, and there was practically no lagging this time and I could notice an amazing change in how the picture looks. Best $129.99(+tax) I've ever spent
The new card's in, the graphics are absolutely beautiful, I opened up the Guild Wars log in screen, and there was practically no lagging this time and I could notice an amazing change in how the picture looks. Best $129.99(+tax) I've ever spent
Divinity
Would a Radien 7000 AGP 64 megabites work fine?
Mss Drizzt
Maybe. I'm not quite sure.
William of Orange
I would think that running 64 MB on your video card would be shorting yourself. If anything, a 128 MB card would probably work decently; 256 MB is excellent, just like the one I'm using (except a 9250 PCI card). The card is definitely nice; as I'm typing this, I'm sprawled out on the floor with the computer hooked up to the TV instead of the monitor, just because I can 
Lews
Haha. Lucky....
No, an ATI 7000 will not work. Can't you just buy a http://www.flybear.com/ati9600xt_256.html
No, an ATI 7000 will not work. Can't you just buy a http://www.flybear.com/ati9600xt_256.html
Cult_Of_One
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Hallelujah!!!
The new card's in, the graphics are absolutely beautiful, I opened up the Guild Wars log in screen, and there was practically no lagging this time and I could notice an amazing change in how the picture looks. Best $129.99(+tax) I've ever spent |
Glad to hear it cuz I have a GEcube ati radeon 2950 256 card ordered. I don't know where you got your card from but mine was $76.00 from Komusa. I'm hoping the GEcube version has a slight performance increase...I read documentation on a bunch of 128's and the GEcube had a core clock speed of 270 Mhz as opposed to the standard 250 Mhz.
Divinity
I need to know for SURE; if a 7000 ATI will work. I mean work, not look like ultimate graphics, just work adequetly.
William of Orange
Well, I'm sure that the card would work, but I couldn't guarantee much. The game ran on my computer when it was just the on-board Intel Extreme Graphics card, but it produced some lag issues when complicated visuals came onto the screen. Your card is most likely a step up from the on-board one, but I would guess that the outcome would be somewhat similar.
Cult: The only reason that mine cost more was because it was actually manufactured by ATI, rather than just being the ATI technology and manufactured by somebody else. I was asking around a few days ago on the IRC channel about it, and the person I was talking to was saying how the non-ATI manufactured ones were always of a slightly lesser quality; still get the point across, but not as well as with the actual brandname one. But who knows? Maybe you just happened to find a nice bargain, or maybe it was an AGP card, since most of the ones I've seen which looked higher end but were less expensive were AGP ones. I've never looked into it a whole lot though, so don't quote me on that.
Cult: The only reason that mine cost more was because it was actually manufactured by ATI, rather than just being the ATI technology and manufactured by somebody else. I was asking around a few days ago on the IRC channel about it, and the person I was talking to was saying how the non-ATI manufactured ones were always of a slightly lesser quality; still get the point across, but not as well as with the actual brandname one. But who knows? Maybe you just happened to find a nice bargain, or maybe it was an AGP card, since most of the ones I've seen which looked higher end but were less expensive were AGP ones. I've never looked into it a whole lot though, so don't quote me on that.
Divinity
Well I think/HOPE it'll work. It ran fine with Star Wars Galaxies, so i'm really hoping it will work.
Lews
It will run 10 times better on $100 card.
Sin
Mine is a pci interface on a clunky system and I started with an Radeon 7000. I could not run a Warcraft III map with more than 2v2 at 640x480x16 without excessive lag, and the 2v2 was somewhat choppy. At first I thought it was the awesome power of my 1.3 ghz celeron had been seriously exceeded 
however I popped for a nvidia 5200fx pci. Now I can host a 4v4 or FFA at 800x600x32 only slight lag when all armies are max food. Guildwars has no lag at all for me at 1024x768x32. So IMHO I would seriously consider not using a radeon 7000 to play GuildWars unless I absoultely had to and don't mind having all features off and viewing the game at its lowest possible display resolution--although you will likely still have intolerable lag even then.
Hope this was useful
P.S. If you look up some benchmarks on the internet the Radeon 7000 is really really slow.
however I popped for a nvidia 5200fx pci. Now I can host a 4v4 or FFA at 800x600x32 only slight lag when all armies are max food. Guildwars has no lag at all for me at 1024x768x32. So IMHO I would seriously consider not using a radeon 7000 to play GuildWars unless I absoultely had to and don't mind having all features off and viewing the game at its lowest possible display resolution--although you will likely still have intolerable lag even then.Hope this was useful
P.S. If you look up some benchmarks on the internet the Radeon 7000 is really really slow.
Lews
It will not work, read the requriements: ati 8500