Guide to not being a "bad" warrior in 4 v 4

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

14 Mar 2006 at 18:23 - 1

these are the things you should do,

*Protect your most valuable player (monk/ele/mes)

*stay with the team

*follow calls or call if you know what your doing

*as soon as a teamate is down you are at disadvantage therefore res instantly

*be nice

*pressure the enemy monk (eg. if you got 2 people on the monk take on a weak charactor in his team , this can be realy effective since his concentration of healing will be cut in half and you will most likely end up killing both of them at the same time) ..btw say if your doing this so your team understands

*if there is no monk target casters first , ele first is a must, i know a lot of people say take down the mesmer but if yu take down thier damage you've destroyed them , if the mesmer is shuting down your monk attack the mesmer.

*dont chase a foe off if you cannot increase your speed or decrease his speed , he will only regen and take you down and you will be out of range for healing

*if you know your monk has condition removel and you have a bad condition (eg. weakness , crippled , blind) call it once lol , dont spam it like a idiot.

*DO use frenzy, just make sure you have another stance to remove it, and remove it ASAP if you start taking damage.

*Also, DO put as much attribute points in your weapon attribute as possible, including a superior rune. Your strong armor will help you survive even with the health loss, and you will kill people a lot faster.

*if empthay or spiteful spirit is on you "call it!" since it can possibliy removed by your teamates , and if you do have spiteful spirit on dont do anything near your teammates , you would be killing them too.

The things you must NOT!! do

* do not run around like a idiot claiming your the almighty god of 4 vs 4 with healing hands

*do not shout abusive words since you will be banned

*do not call people noobs , espeicaly in 4 v 4 where its where most people begin pvp

*do not leave if you have no reason lol

*do not go away from keyboard

*do not have a go at your team mates for not doing good enough

*respect your healer since he is working to keep "you!" alive

* if you do not understand how hard healing can be then dont have a go at the monk if you died

*and the most important NEVER EVER!! USE FRENZY+HEAL SIGIT AT THE SAME TME

*never attack another warrior unless the other warrior is the last possible target.

well thats a few things

holden

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

[NICE]

Mo/

14 Mar 2006 at 18:40 - 2

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

14 Mar 2006 at 18:47 - 3

^^ added

Son of Urza

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

I'm the guy right behind you staring through your head . . . .

14 Mar 2006 at 18:55 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

*and the most important NEVER EVER!! USE FRENZY+HEAL SIGIT AT THE SAME TIME Hehehe, that's probably a good idea.
Note: DO use frenzy, just make sure you have another stance to remove it, and remove it ASAP if you start taking damage.

Also, DO put as much attribute points in your weapon attribute as possible, including a superior rune. Your strong armor will help you survive even with the health loss, and you will kill people a lot faster.

wat my name is

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

elite ranger force

W/Mo

14 Mar 2006 at 19:06 - 5

i have one thing to change. The thing you said about the regen when they run thing is if a warrior doenst have a ranged weapon of some sort. I always carry a flat bow with perfect vamp and helath mod so i can shot form long distance and stop regen and cause extra 5 or 8 damage. I really agree with the healing hands thing. W/R and W/Mo need to stfu in arena because they have teh most easyest builds ever most of the times and cant comprehend the at least a little difficult builds. Sure there are some build builds like the shock/tiger builds but thats about it for w/r and w/mo's arent that great. You might wanna also add that dont run after sum1 alone unless the monk is down or the monk is the one running then you pretty much have a free shot. Just make sure if you do run away if u are lower then about half heath then get away and heal up or run to your teammates.

sh4ft3d

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...

Frank Ought To Monk [FotM]

14 Mar 2006 at 19:29 - 6

W/R are great. People see a W/R and think that they're IWAY, and leave. Condition W/R builds are my fav to run in 4v4.

VGJustice

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Tyria, cappin' ur bosses

Boston Guild [BG]

R/W

14 Mar 2006 at 19:32 - 7

Good list. I hope this get's people's attention.

LouAl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

14 Mar 2006 at 21:45 - 8

Also add
DO NOT use frenzy while hexed with empathy
The mesmer will LOVE you for doing 62 dmg per swing
DO NOT use frenzy while hexed with Spiteful Spirit
the necro will LOVE you for doing 72 dmg per swing (or 81 if AtB was used)
In fact, DO NOT attack AT ALL when hexed with either/both Empathy and Spitful Spirit

Greedy Gus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Striking Distance

15 Mar 2006 at 00:24 - 9

Here is the one I don't quite get:

"*Protect your most valuable player (monk/ele/mes)"

I hear this all the time, but I have yet to understand how you can protect someone. Do you want me to attack the other warriors attacking our monk? That's just bashing your head against the wall, it's much better to attack the enemy squishies first.

Inureface

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Asian in Lousiana

The Endbringers

R/Me

15 Mar 2006 at 00:49 - 10

IF you see a warrior about to unleash his adrenaline spike on your drained monk, sprint infront of that mofo and save your monk 15% DP
(body blocking)

Greedy Gus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Striking Distance

15 Mar 2006 at 01:59 - 11

That's retarded. That saves him a few seconds, but that warrior will still unload his adren on him. That's a decent tactic in GvG where battle lines mean something and enemies don't want to overextend, but in arenas a warrior could care less and will just follow that monk, shock/strike him down, and unload adren.

Inureface

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Asian in Lousiana

The Endbringers

R/Me

15 Mar 2006 at 03:04 - 12

It buys him time to escape, thats the point. Then he'll have to chase your monk again from a farther distance which will give us more time to gank the rest of his team. It acutally works pretty well in random arena since all they ever do is c->space

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

15 Mar 2006 at 03:57 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

these are the things you should do,

*Protect your most valuable player (monk/ele/mes)

Aside from chance bodyblocking, there's not much you as a Warrior can do or should be doing. A few Chp 2 skills might change this, but it's still not that important.

Quote: *as soon as a teamate is down you are at disadvantage therefore res instantly Hopefully by res you mean Res Sig.

Quote: *if there is no monk target casters first , ele first is a must, i know a lot of people say take down the mesmer but if yu take down thier damage you've destroyed them , if the mesmer is shuting down your monk attack the mesmer. Eles do damage? Casters are a priority, but I'd take down a Necro, Mesmer, or Monk before an Ele. Either the Ele is a flashbot, in which case you don't stand much chance of taking her down without a Monk keeping you unblinded, or the Ele is trying to do damage, in which case you've probably got better targets to be going after, like that Necro or Mesmer over there hexing everyone.

Quote: *dont chase a foe off if you cannot increase your speed or decrease his speed , he will only regen and take you down and you will be out of range for healing Correction: a Warrior should always have a speed buff in PvP, and a snare is great too. Unless you're talking about a Ranger who can outrun you, snare, and regen, in which case you shouldn't be trying to chase.

Quote: *respect your healer since he is working to keep "you!" alive Respect everyone. Since when are Monks so special?

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*and the most important NEVER EVER!! USE FRENZY+HEAL SIGIT AT THE SAME TME But Frensig is the best skill combo ever.

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*never attack another warrior unless the other warrior is the last possible target. I help take down enemy Warriors when they're at low health; am I a bad Warrior for that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wat my name is

The thing you said about the regen when they run thing is if a warrior doenst have a ranged weapon of some sort. I always carry a flat bow with perfect vamp and helath mod so i can shot form long distance and stop regen and cause extra 5 or 8 damage. You're not accomplishing much unless they only have a sliver of health left. Bring a speed buff and catch up with them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouAl

In fact, DO NOT attack AT ALL when hexed with either/both Empathy and Spitful Spirit Then you might as well quit the match as you're not going to do anything. You attack but make sure not to die from the hexes.

Inureface

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Asian in Lousiana

The Endbringers

R/Me

15 Mar 2006 at 04:05 - 14

His post was directed at the retards that plague random arenas, I don't think you're a retard from random arenas are you?

ak347

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

15 Mar 2006 at 05:09 - 15

To deal with spiteful spirit, DO NOT stand in the middle of a group of three teammates and start swinging. Find a lone target so that you dont gank your team.

And, of course,

Do not cast mending on yourself to counter your 'godly' victo's blade degen ----bring a friggin sword swap
Do not bring restore life/rebirth --- i don't know how many wars end up going solo vs 4 enemies and then right before they die, start casting restore life
Do NOT bring fiery dragon swords --- they have no extra benefit, they just do less damage to rangers and platemail wars

PLEASE bring interrupts, res sigs

nitetime

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

eotn

15 Mar 2006 at 22:50 - 16

Well I thought this was pretty informative, until Savio came along and turned everything upside down...

I figure it all just depends on certain situations, but some good pointers in there for the retards like me, if I ever get into the arena thing...

LouAl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

15 Mar 2006 at 23:58 - 17

I was, of course, referring to when I (as mesmer) have about half health and then someone (not always the warrior) gets hexed with SS and takes me down to about 3 health in the time it takes me to run like a banshie away from them. Right about then I turn into the top target for someone to wand to death.

Also referring to, with empathy, when the warrior gets hexed and contiues to swing and swing and swing for 21 seconds...losing a large chunk of health, almost 500, in the process and never once calling that they are hexed by Empathy. I would gladly shatter that sucka right away and save them the damage if I knew (without having to watch their health bar to assume that it is empathy and needs to be shattered).

I stand by that you should not attack AT ALL if you have SS on you and your allies are near, squishies can't afford that kind of quick health loss. Call the hex and then move if you have to, or stop attacking long enough for me to move without taking 150 damage...

Ruhern

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Darkstone Azure

W/N

16 Mar 2006 at 16:02 - 18

If this is talking about RA, I'd like to suggest that patience is key. Usually RA teams are uncoordinated. The best way to take advantage of this is just to tell your team at the beginning to wait for them to make their move. Whoever runs at your team first, everyone target them and try to take them down. If they don't drop in the first 7 seconds, then break off and target their squishies.

Good post, I enjoyed reading it.

wat my name is

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

elite ranger force

W/Mo

16 Mar 2006 at 19:08 - 19

Referring to your previous post about the bow i have it for a reason. When in gvg or any other aren you get a cripple or a speed debuff you need some way of hitting them too stop the regen. In this case i have the bow to stop this regen. Plus when they are at a elivated spot and you dont want to go get them you have a bow to cause some damage. This just wasn't applying to random also team and hoh along with gvg. It was just a helpful tip for people.

audioaxes

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

16 Mar 2006 at 19:12 - 20

well several of these tips are not really warrior specific

CuST0M

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Fissure of Woe

[DPAD] Dont Provoke Accept Defeat

W/N

16 Mar 2006 at 19:51 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by holden

it's a good list.

you might add,

never attack another warrior unless the other warrior is the last possible target.

if you win, dont say 'PWNT' to the other team. goddammit i hate that. you're just a warrior. Unless you have unmatched skills and can counter the clone builds, then u have to rub something in the unoriginal [email protected] faces...

and just a warrior? no not just, ive seen a guild mate of mine survive to be the last one left in 4vs4 randoms. He took out all 4 of them solo. -=Kid is a legend in the making...

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

16 Mar 2006 at 19:54 - 22

I dunno about going after elementalsts second/first. Ensign's got about how they don't have the DPS a warrior does. Good spike, same DPS (plus they need energy to keep it up).

In fact, if you were a good warrior, you'd know a warrior would be doing these things so you'd go after the other warriors first to help keep you monk alive. And if he's a good warrior he should be ready for you to be a good warrior and know these things so he should go after you first. Now since you know he knows you are a primary target you should spec out as an anti warrior. Therefore he should spec out as an anti-anti-warrior causing you to spec out as an anti-anti-anti-warrior, which is of course beatable by the anti-warrior.

But other than that, it's a good set of guidelines.

holden

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

[NICE]

Mo/

16 Mar 2006 at 21:03 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuST0M

Unless you have unmatched skills and can counter the clone builds, then u have to rub something in the unoriginal [email protected] faces...

and just a warrior? no not just, ive seen a guild mate of mine survive to be the last one left in 4vs4 randoms. He took out all 4 of them solo. -=Kid is a legend in the making... just a warrior is just what i meant. a nobody without the rest of your team.

i solo as well. everyone does. there are many skills that will allow you to do so. it doesn't mean you can do as much damage as you're taking. it doesn't mean the build is productive in any way. it means you can stand there and take damage.

winterclaw, don't take this the wrong way but that's just nonsense. warriors have bigtime armor. casters will do things to them to slow down their attack rate or minimize their damage but warriors don't need to attack them first. kill the monk. if he's dead or there is no monk, pick on a guy that will fold quickly. the mesmer, necro or ele. if you waste time on the warrior, the casters will eat your lunch.

a blind warrior is worthless as the day is long. a blind warrior with a still alive monk with mend ailment/condition and heals is going to be a real problem to your monk. kill the monk first, then the other casters.

LouAl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

16 Mar 2006 at 21:16 - 24

@Winterclaw

lol, so what should I bring if I want to kill both of those warriors having a go at each other? Anti-Anti and Anti-Warrior stuff or Anti-Anti-Anti and Anti-Anti-Anti-Anti-Warrior stuff? Or do I need Anti and Anti-Anti-Anti-Anti-Warrior stuff?

ahhh I'm lost now

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

16 Mar 2006 at 21:30 - 25

add this one:
be a w/n
bring plague touch. never be shutdown by conditions again.

PS: plague touch needs to be nerfed. give it a longer cast time or something.

holden

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

[NICE]

Mo/

16 Mar 2006 at 21:37 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

add this one:
be a w/n
bring plague touch. never be shutdown by conditions again.

that's ftw.

IllusiveMind

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mehtani Keys

The Extraordinary Revolution [ReVo]

P/W

16 Mar 2006 at 22:10 - 27

Quote:

and the most important NEVER EVER!! USE FRENZY+HEAL SIGIT AT THE SAME TME OH GOD... I just casted a Lighting Orb to some idiot using this combo and he got hit for 240+ dmg... he started to call me hacker...cheater, bla bla... I had to explain him why I did so much dmg to him.

Broken Souls

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

16 Mar 2006 at 22:16 - 28

I disagree with not atacking the other Warriors.
The W build i run focuses on killing other Ws, they put on frenzy, i put on both riptoses and glads defence, then bonneties to recharge, finish off with final thrust. - Most Ws fall to this very fast, and it prevents me from taking much damage.
Riptose seems really underused in random arena, I have never come up against another W putting it to use.

Anyway, cool tips overall.

kazujin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

E/Mo

17 Mar 2006 at 08:20 - 29

Some of these tips are stupid.

Yukito Kunisaki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

W/N

17 Mar 2006 at 13:49 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

add this one:
be a w/n
bring plague touch. never be shutdown by conditions again.

PS: plague touch needs to be nerfed. give it a longer cast time or something. Heavens NO! Plague Touch MUST NEVAR be nerfed! It's melee range and to have it interrupted = sux0rs...

Yukito Kunisaki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

W/N

17 Mar 2006 at 13:50 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broken Souls

holden

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

[NICE]

Mo/

17 Mar 2006 at 14:33 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazujin

Some of these tips are stupid.
which one's?