Getting your money back out of 15k armor...

Relnor

Relnor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Well first off I'll start by saying how much I love this game. I was so excited when I finally saved up enough money to buy a set of 15k armor for my warrior. At the time, I didn't understand all of the different bonuses there were on each set of armor...this led me to buy a full set of 15k Ascelon armor because I like how it looked. While it is one of the coolest looking sets in the game, I now know what "non-stacking" means. It means that no one will have me in their party because I'm "a n00b" for not buying Gladiators. I now have a full set of worthless armor that cost me 75k. I will probably never be able to earn that much money again. What I propose, is that 15k armor crafters could accept peices of other 15k armor insted of the 15k in gold. Here is an example. I am now enlightened to the worthlessness of my 15k Ascelon. So I decide to trade it in. I take it to the 15k armor crafter. I trade my 15k Ascelon Boots + the materials needed and recieve 15k Gladiators Boots. It would cover the cost...

I hope something can be done so that I can get my money back from the 15k Ascelon...

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

keep your armor for little longer. Anet might give us new armor storage . Keep your head up you may make 75k agin. I have about 500k

drowningfish999

drowningfish999

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Awakened Tempest [aT]

I don't think the exchange rate should be THAT high, but maybe 5k for a 15k armor wouldn't be too bad.

koneko

Site Contributor

Join Date: Sep 2005

38??16′ N 140??52′ E

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by drowningfish999
I don't think the exchange rate should be THAT high, but maybe 5k for a 15k armor wouldn't be too bad.
The point of the 15k armor set is to act as a gold sink, to give players that enjoy grinding away something to work towards while playing. Giving money back to the player = anti-money sink.

Here's my problem with this idea. It's as if someone walked into Saks or Barneys and bought four/five different pieces (shoes! a hat, gloves, et cetera) to construct one entire outfit and wanting to return the shoes or cashmere-lined gloves or whatever that suddenly goes out of style after a few weeks of wear-and-tear. Would Saks let that person return the item? No. Would Barneys let the person obtain "store credit" to buy a different pair of shoes or gloves? No. (Of course, this analogy fails to hold up because you can't test to see how the armor set will look on your character before wasting virtual money on it...)

Armor should not matter when getting a group. You're happy with how it looks, that's what counts. If a group has issues with the choice you made, look for a group that isn't full of sheep ("zOGM gladiator's tAOTlly FOR TEH WINAR, u iZ teh nubzor 4 using ascalon!!!111") or use the henchmen instead.

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

It would actually make sense if the armor trader at least would pay you the merchant trade-in value for the crafting materials that you used to make the armor in the first place.

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

guild wars need money sinks

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

Too bad that the looks of the armor aren't one thing and it's bonuses/abilites are a mod you can add on. For instance if you like the look of knights but prefer the bonus of gald, you buy the knight's armor than equip it with the glad mods (one for each piece).

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

I'd say 7.5k per each piece of 15k armor. 10k if its dyed black.

This is with the 50% rule.

Reflex Dragonfire

Reflex Dragonfire

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Netherlands

White Squall [WS]

Mo/

What i would like anet to do is unlocking the 15k and fow armors in pvp character creation after u buy them, specialy the fow armor, its freaking expencive.

Diablo???

Diablo???

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Seattle

SPQR

N/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Relnor
Well first off I'll start by saying how much I love this game. I was so excited when I finally saved up enough money to buy a set of 15k armor for my warrior. At the time, I didn't understand all of the different bonuses there were on each set of armor...this led me to buy a full set of 15k Ascelon armor because I like how it looked. While it is one of the coolest looking sets in the game, I now know what "non-stacking" means. It means that no one will have me in their party because I'm "a n00b" for not buying Gladiators. I now have a full set of worthless armor that cost me 75k. I will probably never be able to earn that much money again. What I propose, is that 15k armor crafters could accept peices of other 15k armor insted of the 15k in gold. Here is an example. I am now enlightened to the worthlessness of my 15k Ascelon. So I decide to trade it in. I take it to the 15k armor crafter. I trade my 15k Ascelon Boots + the materials needed and recieve 15k Gladiators Boots. It would cover the cost...

I hope something can be done so that I can get my money back from the 15k Ascelon...
Don't do it! Stay original, fudge what the other noobcakes think, you gots the rawking 15k ascalon armor da houz, not some gladiator-cloned wammo toons.... pimp your armor and just say "I dont care if they dont stack, cuz I can stack yo momma!"

Rogmar

Rogmar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diablo™
Don't do it! Stay original, fudge what the other noobcakes think, you gots the rawking 15k ascalon armor da houz, not some gladiator-cloned wammo toons.... pimp your armor and just say "I dont care if they dont stack, cuz I can stack yo momma!"
Umm, not funny and ridiculously immature.
I think a simple buff to the underappreciated armors will fix it, if only Anet realizes this.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamhunk
keep your armor for little longer. Anet might give us new armor storage . Keep your head up you may make 75k agin. I have about 500k
How did you get 500K as I am no where near 100K?I do alot of farming as well.

Soul Shaker

Soul Shaker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sunshine Coast, Australia

Soul Crusaders

They should fix the stacking to per piece. That'll fix all the wammo glad clone noobcakes.

Kidney Licker

Kidney Licker

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Europe Server

I'd be inclined to keep the armour until at least Factions comes out. In one of the numerous threads about upcoming changes there was mention of fixing something that is currently global but not meant to be. As to whether this means fixing the Gladiators and Knight/Ascalon boot armour combo, who knows, but with a new Chapter on the way and possible numerous changes it might be best to wait and see.

If you need money try farming for greens over at Sorrows Furnace. The green market may not be what it was but if you get a decent item it'll be more than what you could get doing other things.

stickyballs

stickyballs

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

American Servers

Sin Squad [SIN]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamhunk
i have about 500k
That was completely unnecessary and was just a way for you to brag that you had more money than the OP.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflex Dragonfire
What i would like anet to do is unlocking the 15k and fow armors in pvp character creation after u buy them, specialy the fow armor, its freaking expencive.
That would take the point away from other people getting it. It's about aesthetics and the fact that you have it makes you more distinct. If ANet used your idea, every PvP character would have FoW armor and nobody would choose Droknar's. There is a reason it is expensive is that distinctness comes with a price.

Ultimate_Gaara

Ultimate_Gaara

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

BC, Canada.. how aboot that eh?

I dissagree, if you are a big enough sucker to buy 15K you should at least do your research.

Rogmar

Rogmar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyballs
That would take the point away from other people getting it. It's about aesthetics and the fact that you have it makes you more distinct. If ANet used your idea, every PvP character would have FoW armor and nobody would choose Droknar's. There is a reason it is expensive is that distinctness comes with a price.
So you would be saying that everyone has FoW armor to begin with, he means unlocking by buying with money from the PvE world.

Amok

Amok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

I don't think they should give us any money back for armor, especially 15k armor. If you want to be competitive, you can buy any Droks armor or get any collector's weapon for a minimal cost.

If you want to look funky, then save up for another set of 15K, it's not impossible to earn that kinda cash (one way is to try the old Orozar SF runs and sell the greens you get).

15K armor is there to be earned, not easily obtained.

GogoHatchet

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Melbourne, Australia

Friends Of SLAK [FOS]

Mo/R

...there's 15K armour?

Diablo???

Diablo???

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Seattle

SPQR

N/R

Anet has stated already they have no intentions of altering (or as we call it "fixing") the non-stacking bonus of ascalon/knights armor. These bonus were not meant to stack, it promotes players to mix and match armors. The gladiator clones didn't arise because they look good, but just because the glad mix yield a better overall armor attribute. "Fixing" the stacking will only eliminate the gladiators, but not the cloning... wammos will just find another better mix and clone that.

Traveller

Traveller

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Finland

League of Extraordinary Explorers [LOST] (my one man guild)

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Relnor
. It means that no one will have me in their party because I'm "a n00b" for not buying Gladiators. I now have a full set of worthless armor that cost me 75k.
That kind of players probably aren't worth partying with in the first place. Keep your armor if it's what you like the best.

I've always thought that since the 15k sets are purely an aesthetic thing, I go for the set or armor mix that pleases my eye the most.

DSey

DSey

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

W/Mo

I have a serious problem with anyone who judges another player for the armour and weapons he/she wears and wields. To hell with players who think you are a 'noob' for wearing 15 Ascalon. Don't even bother partying with them. To hell with players who call every warrior with Gladiator armour a 'wammo glad clone noobcake'. They're not better than the people judging you for your Ascalon armour.

Ado

Ado

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Den Haag

[cute]

Mo/Me

I wonder why there even is a full set of knights/ascalon armor when the pieces dont even stack with eachother.

And the discription also isn't right, cause if you put 1 piece of ascalon armor on you, it does give you recieved damage -2 all the time, nomatter on which part of your body you are attacked. So 1 piece of ascalon still stacks on non-ascalon armor pieces.

I thought this was changed after the update but it still works. I've tested that with going first with 1 piece of ascalon and than without.

Corinthian

Corinthian

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

This is the first time ever I have heard someone not being accepted to a party due to armor. (not including the ele with fire eye advertising himself as air spiker)

Relnor

Relnor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Its just an idea and ovbiously needs to be tweeked, but the main point is that for almost every other item in the game (green items, gold/rare items, rare swords, ect.) you can get all/most of your money back except for armor. There is absoultly no way of receiving money from armor other than the few hundred gold a merchant will give you.

Cjlr

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

SMS

E/Me

Well, 15k Ascalon armour looks cool enough that it makes up by far for the energy differential.

Gladiator's armour is a necessary evil. Performance-wise, it's the best, but it's just so damn ugly...

Zylo Candar

Zylo Candar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Foresaken Dynasty

W/N

Ok this isn't 15k ascalon my W/N is wearing it's the stuff from ascalon but i'm wearing a full set why?
Well i know it said non stacking but i thought it meant with other dmg lowering mods seeing my helmet is +1 hammer mastery and +1 hammer mastery again from a rune
But ascalon armour looks awesome i think when i get to 15k armour i'll take 1 piece from every set of armour so i get a all round bonus but i want to know which way wil look best because atm lvl 11 warrior i think i look best
every other warrior i see is wearing ringmail which just look wrong or the gladiators which well looks more like shiny plastic

Now that i know it doesnt stack i'll still keep this full set till kryta then mix armour if i think it wil be helpful but the spikes on the should just look too cool
I'm using a hammer i bought it cheap but it's dmg is 19-35 so for my lvl yeah the defence from ascalon is nice
I don't follow what most peopel think why? because why eb jsut like everybody else in the game and be the normal tank everybody wants? When you can be yourself your own playstyle i mean i solo with henchmen players just annoy me sometimes.

Anyway i've talked too much good luck.

Gardar

Gardar

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Iceland

[FUSE]

R/Mo

Well it doesn't take long saving up 75k again just start farming charr hides alot selling the fur for 200 - 220 depending on supply and demand.
Another nice way is doing some uw runs not that the greens are worthy but you get some nice drops there of money and items usually there are golds in some of the chests that can be worth something.

Alcazanar

Alcazanar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Cavalon (swe)

Desert Flame [DF]

W/N

75k (+ materials) is nothing mate NOTHING!
get fissure instead they all look the same anyways

Relnor

Relnor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

But to me and other players like me, 75k is a lot. There is no way I'll ever get the 1-2 mil for FoW...

Amok

Amok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

That's what I thought when I was fairly new to the game, but after playing about 1300 hours since beta, 1 mill isn't that much.

Just keep playing and enjoying the game, if you play long enough you will be able to afford most of the stuff you want. The expensive stuff is there to be earnt.

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

The funny thing is that most people want what they don't have, and once they have it they want something else. I have a set of dragons and ascalon armor, but I guess it was a waste of money since I wear my desert collector armor with the ascalon helm most of the time.

Ultimately it's about what you like and NOT what others tell you to like or have. If you buy into another persons way of thinking then your playing their game and not your own. Be your own individual and do what you think is best, you'll be happier in the long run.

TehTomato

TehTomato

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

NBK

R/Mo

Yeah man, don't listen to what the cookie cutters say, you have an armor that practically no one else has, wear it proud.

Joh

Joh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Sweden

Lucid Dreams [LD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul Shaker
They should fix the stacking to per piece. That'll fix all the wammo glad clone noobcakes.
/agreed. Make the ascalon/knight's damage reduction non-global. Ascalon boots would only reduce dmg by 2 if you get hit on the feet.