How many of you are NOT getting Factions

This game was designed similiar to magic the gathering, so for #1 and #2 is no big surprise to me and fine with it.

#3 Skill > Grind - They want people to easily get access to good items.

#4 Anet has made a game that can be played in many different ways to get different play styles to appeal to a wide group of people who play for different reasons.

And I've posted my view of 6 vs 8 slots in the big fourm, I'm ok with 6 slots (reason see other thread).

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3&postcount=53

Your posts to this point have been:

'This game sucks'
'A.Net screwed up bigtime'
'I'll be buying Oblivion'

Tack that onto an Elder Scrolls inspired nickname and connect the dots. Excuse me if I'm not a drooling moron.


Wouldn't that be the point?


Sounds like you want a grind game. Please read the bold text at the top of the front flap on the box you purchased:

"Prove your worth in a world where skill decides. Your skill will be your legend. You'll prove your worth with every battle as skill, not hours played, decides your fate. Whether battling horrific monsters or competing at the highers levels of tournament play, it will always be your skill that earns you victory or defeat."

You mean you can't spend hours grinding for uberlewt? Who'd have thunk it?


I can hire a chinese farmer to create a new character on my account and deck him out in fissure armor while I masturbate to free internet pornography.


Obviously someone who loves grinding out new characters as much as you do is really hurting for more character slots.


These are the reasons I've concluded that you're a relentless troll. *sprinkles troll food*


Please teach the rest of us how Factions works then. I for one do not know how any of the new gametypes work, let alone how one captures a city, or how access to content is going to be handled. As you've clearly seen enough to decide that this game is not going to be fun for you, you could at least teach the rest of us on the way out.

Peace,
-CxE

Encouraging would be ranting on about Elder scrolls and Why should one buy it. THAT i didn't do. Hence.. don't assume.

Good reasoning skills...
Thanks Ensign, for your inputs.

I'd appreciate more constructive/ tactful comments like Eternal Tempest's, instead of personal attacks.

But oh well.

Then make your point clearly at the start of the thread.

This thread was flamebait, admit it!

I've never been able to play it, but from all the reading (all online material - Gamespot for example) done on it, and comments from others in these forums (all speculation of course) - it seems the end game is locked out for the most part (just like UW and FoW). Having a few areas like that is cool, but adding more of that... nah. Just more sitting around and waiting, unable to plan guild missions or quests days in advance (never know whether the area will be available to play in or not)... it's just not for me. If I could log in and for sure play all the content available to me all the time, then I would probably for sure get it. But $50 for the possiblity to play where I want too? Nah... It's just not for me, sorry, but that's the way it is. It looks great (very well made) but the design for content is what kills it for me. If I'm wrong about it, sweet! I'll go get it, but I'll wait till it's released and hear how it goes. Till then, not going to bother.
There are other reasons as well, but that is a main one.
To answer your question though: My understanding is this - PvP battles it out (like HoH) and once your faction gains control of an area, it is unlocked and PvE'ers now have access to it. The unlocking is done once a day as the servers redraw the lines. PvE contributes (somehow) to this redraw, but if it like that Zaishen Challenge or Thirsty River mission(s)... ugh... give me a cavity...
The daily drawing and unlocking is where the problems for me start to show up. Hypothetical situation: Wednesday guildies and I descide to get together and take on Mission X Friday(for personal reasons, many of us are not on daily so we schedule missions and quests - we are also friends and are very picky who join our guild). Well, Friday comes and the mission is locked. Plan failed... now we all get to farm some more... oh joy. Before someone says "Go PvP and unlock the area" or "Go help unlock it then" - Why? It wont unlock till the next day, if we win it back. This system of locking content out just doesn't work for me.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=136476

This is where part of the "assumptions" come from. The "if it's true" factor and my budget being tight, is why I'll opt out. No worries though, Guild Wars Chapter one is still great and I'll play it till I burn out. Never said I was quiting the game, just not buying Chapter two... more assumptions. hehe

Edit: Here's a good post as well:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=136962

The attitude of content locked by all but the "uber alliances and such"... well, read it and see:

I apologize then. I never did point fingers at anyone in my starting post and neither did i expect people to be that touchy.

My question was posted out of curiosity and i was expecting more mature replies.

You made a thread on a Guild Wars forum asking how many people would not be buying the pseudosequel to Guild Wars, saying that the creators of Guild Wars screwed you, and informed us you would be purchasing a specific other game in its stead.

I suppose we should have treated you like a king, then. My mistake.

Well, that's the best thing about Guild Wars. You don't have to buy the expansions to continue playing the original. I've got no beef with those who've decided not to buy Factions, no matter the reason.

I do have a beef with threads that attack Anet and those that are still excited about Factions. If you have a problem, state the problem clearly, and without using flames like "Anet is screwing it's customers."

No, Anet is not "screwing anyone", because you know pretty much what you're getting in Factions (if not all the details). I don't know exactly how the Faction Influence will work, but I'm curious about it, and I don't think it will ruin the game... if it does, well then, I'll be more discerning about buying Chapter 3 then!

At the moment I am in no mood to buy the expansion. That is because we will only get 2 slots instead of the much-needed four (I will not elaborate any of this, have a look at the gazillion posts already written about this) and because the Factions border/Access to end-PVE-content/controlling thingy sounds, according to the articles that are currently available, like the worst idea to hit guild wars since that one guy I met in a pug said he would really need a blow job emote for his female elementalist.

I might change my mind later, but as long as the game has what I see as serious flaws I will not pay for it.

Cool deal, I think people are misunderstanding the factions portion, but oh well. Its no different than having to have favor of the gods to access certain areas currently. To me it is actually more of a chance to access in game content because you have a 50/50 % chance to access certain portions, and when the kuzricks control a certain area, I bet the other facrion will be controlling something else. Its not all or nothing from what I have seen. Currently there are what Korea/ Europe/ America fighting for favor and i am sure there is another one or two. Also I mainly when i am on Europe or America has favor, rarely has Korea had it

I'll be buying both. Does that make me a bad person with a heart of gold ?

Iwould agree with you on this 100%. I am sure that anet had to factor in the cost and room for slots. There is a reason they choose only 2 more slots. As for rpg player I don't see the need for more than 1 slot really. Sure I have 4 charactors right now in the game. But it takes a long to time to build those charactors up, I am not going to delete either.

Pvp players like to try alot new chartactors and skills to come up with more builds. Rpg players fall in love with their builds and tend to stay with their builds.

As for me picking anet game, I love the game. However I find it is weak in alot of aeras. I want to see both the pvp and the rpg grow. However I am loyal to rpg first then pvp. When I post about the game. I am posting because I like the game that much to take the time out of my day to give my ideas to improve it. I know what I am talking about. I have to say this game was alot more fun around beta. The charactors I love playing, I cannot even play them no more because the game has changed soooo much!

What a stupid thread...

sorry...

You have posted absolutely nothing constructive so far and are completely unrealistic to expect constructive replies. Gratuitous trolling only results in a nice game of kick-the-troll which I happen to enjoy partaking in.

If trolling these boards was not your intention you are too stupid to post. I can appreciate a good troll when I see one, but if you're really just that clueless I can help you out with the 'not posting' thing.


I was disappointed to see good conversations spawning in it because it just screamed delete me. Ah, well.

---End Stupid Part of Post---


Yeah, I can understand that completely. I'm personally watching those 'elite areas' very closely to see how accessable they are. The favor system was one of the biggest mistakes they made in Prophecies and I'm hoping they don't expand upon the concept. Players want to play the game on their terms, not on terms controlled by effectively random factors that they have little control over. If the new instances are areas that players can't access with any regularity, well, I'm with you all the way, they screwed up bigtime.

The impression I've gotten is that the bulk of the PvE 'storyline' is not going to involve the faction war much at all, outside of introductions. You'd play through the game normally until you reached that game's equivilent of ascension, and then the bulk of the post-ascension, 'endgame' missions are PvE 'war effort' zones that influence those faction lines. Now I really don't have any idea how those lines will move or what they mean, but I wasn't under the impression that they were going to lock out significant amounts of content...certainly nothing central to the storyline.

Honestly locked content bothers me a lot less if there's always something available. The problem with favor in my mind is that it's hit or miss - either you have access to all of it, or none of it. Now if instead of favor, you had five cities that were portals to some endgame content, and members of the controlling faction (not alliance) could access that endgame, well, that seems ok. Exactly which maps would be open to you would vary from day to day but you're always guaranteed something. Applying the same theory to favor, it'd work out a lot better for the players if, for instance, you could access the Fissure of Woe when your world had favor, but could access the Underworld when it did *not* have favor.

In any case, I can see where you're coming from, and it'd definitely make sense for you to take a 'wait and see' approach to Factions.


Serious question - what's with the gross dislike for Thirsty River? I know it's not just you in particular, that mission is really polarizing, people either love it or can't stand it. What's the appeal of the other missions that's so lacking in Thirsty? I'm guessing it's some pace-of-gameplay thing but I'd like to hear it from someone who dislikes the missions.

Peace,
-CxE

For me, it's because Thirsty is one of the few missions that is easy to screw up and relatively hard to complete with henchmen. In most other missions, you can get by with one member being a total jackass. In Thirsty, it ends up being a complete wipe.
Pace, like you mentioned, is probably a big part of it. I PvPed before I hit Thirsty River, so that didn't really affect me. For most people, however, it's a sharp jump from the leisurely pace of the other missions to a fast "Gotta Kill The Preist!" game.
It also features one of the first difficult enemies, the Monk Boss and Preist. You have to kill the Preist, but the Monk is constantly healing him with Word of Healing, and the other way around. You could take a Mesmer, but that doesn't fit too well with the "Heal, Tank, Nuke" mindset of the typical player.

You just nailed it for me, it's the pace of it. It's one that isn't leisure and has a rushed feel to it. I have a guildie that loves it though and often joins groups just to do the mission over and over again.
Like I mentioned before, I'm rushed all day, I want to relax when I play... so yea... it's the pace.
As for the difficulty of the bosses, I love playing an interupter and love stopping those mob monks from doing anything. So that part I do enjoy.

On behalf of the DMNA (Drooling Morons of North America), we'd just like to state, "He's not with us."




Seriously though, since that post I quoted part of, some good arguments have been made against Factions. It's not going to stop me from getting the game and muddling through it on my own, with PUGs, or with my guild, but how they (ANet) handle the issues that arise will probably affect my chapter 3 purchase.

Honestly though, to this point ANet has been great. I've used their customer support program three times and have three success stories. I don't put much faith in what I read in game previews as they usually have a limited time to get to know the game. I also don't put much faith in word of mouth stuff, like what Gaile Grey does. All I know is she says things that may or may not be true about GW. I could call Ms. Cleo for that kind of info.

Facts for me are, no monthly fee, a decent story to play through, skill counts more than time played, decent PvP, good tech support, no manual patches... how can I not give ANet the benefit of doubt over some dude who writes a story online about a game where nothing is really set yet?

I'm probably gonna buy two copies for both my accounts!

I will buy two copies of Faction to my two accounts and merge them so then there is total 12 character slots. That is probably enough.

2 x 28 euros for Chapter 1
2 x 35 euros for Chapter 2

Total 126 euros. I bought Chapter 1 May 2005 so the "monthly fee" has been so far 5.6 euros per month if you want play with all main professions in PvE.

I hate quoting entire posts so I just tell how I feel and be done with it.

While I have great respect for Ensign and I trust his insight I have to agree with Mr Daggerfall on many of his points. Some of the weapon designs are retardastic (a bird on a stick wtf?) and I'd like to see just a bit more grind involved (just a personal preference to pass my time) etc.

Still I'll be buying my Factions (playability/cost ratio is excellent and money well spent) and I'll merge my accounts -and not whine about the 2 character slots or how I got screwed over by Anet- because I just love this game so much. It's not about the facts it's about the enjoyment.

Flaming fanboys en masse !

FUN FUN FUN !

one note of hope for chapter 3.

note the fairly large changes and then consider that chapter 3 may go off on a completely different tangent in the direction that you like.

also chapter 3 has 6 months to analyze what people dont like about chapter 2 and make changes if needed.

I dont give a crap what anyone else says....I am getting GW:FCE. After what this game has offered us compaired to the ones you have to pay...No doubt in my mind i will stick with this game for a long time.

i might get it, i might not. i dont really like getting forced into pvp, but i could use the extra 2 slots and i am slightly curious about the new pve

note that the Anet person said that the faction holding onto territory had access to a set of super elite quests which were separate and essentially bonus areas with most of the regular game still available to the regular players.

if pvp is forced on players who dont want it or simply suck at it (like me) they will lose customers big time.

the top brass at Anet has said chapter 2 is extremely important in estabkishing a returning customer base so there will still be plenty for us little folks as well as challenges for the experts.

Why are people who are getting the game posting in a thread specifically asking who is NOT getting it.....?

"Hands up who is NOT buying the game?"
"I'm getting it!" *puts hand up*

ummmmm...........because they want to express support for the game perhaps?

to be contrary perhaps?

guildwars is the best mmorpg ever..period
no monthly fees briliant.

Guild Wars is a pretty ok game i give it that.

But it's not an MMORPG that's for sure. The town outposts are simply GW answer to Bnet chatrooms for a 8 player PvE experience like Diablo 2.

Guild Wars seriously lacks PvE elements AND we can't deny the fact that the game has serious balance issues.

I don't know about you guys, but are any of you bored by the specific builds you have to make just to get into a team?

Sure, they advertise skill and not grind.
They give us a boatload of skills and stuff.
But the thing is... almost EVERYONE runs the same build in PvE or PvP.
Question: Where is the skill??
Answer :The more highly skilled IWAER wins alright... not fun.

They cannot charge a monthly fee for mediocre content. No one would pay 1/2 the price of WoW's monthly fees to be rank 6 or higher to PvP or from a canned 5 man gear team to farm.

A question i would like to pose to all you:

What do you do in the game once you've reached level 20??
Farm WarCamp, UW, FoW?
PvP using the same builds?
Get pissed at "please show rank emote"?
Sell items in LA?
Idle in Grotto or Fisherman's haven showing off FoW armor?
Complete all Missions and Bonuses out of boredom?

Help a guildie to complete the vicious cycle?

Create a new character, rinse and repeat?

That is and always has been bollocks,

Skill - Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience.

Skill - A developed talent or ability.

For an individual skill is proportional to hours spent developing it so the oft touted claim that skill > time is simply nonsense.

I WILL ANSWER FOR MYSELF ONLY.

none of the above.

there is much left after hitting20 as it comes so early in the game.

i do what i want to do at the time i play.

THIS HAS A START
A MIDDLE
AND A FINISH ON THIS CHAPTER.

WHAT YOU DO IS UP TO YOU AS YOU HAVE FINISHED IT.

i read a good book
visit rl friends
garden
play something else
ham radio
etc.

i play for fun not because i think it is a MMORPG that i have to play constantly or lose ground.

this is fun to play but only a game.

for comparison of value if i am in the middle of a long mission (i use henchies) and the cat wants petting either the game will still be running (or i start over) because a friendly cat has priority over a game (which i like)

I'll likely not pick up the game unless anet gives casual players a better pvp grouping system and more pvp content for smaller guilds.

I am too worried about the alliance system (not so much the faction control system). If the alliance system restricts my ability to get skills, or armor (crafter max, not the 15k/fow versions) then I may have some issues but I don't know (it's not out).

The drawbacks to factions from what I've read/seen does not swing me away from buying it.

From the Korean GW site, I stumbled across a map where it looks like each country is on each side of the map (left / right) and the fight starts in the middle of the area and will cut in to the left / right sides depending on the cities.

To be honest I perfer the conquest system from Final Fantasy XI that having "favor" gives you boons but does not lock you out between the 3 kingdom indirect conflict.

one possible way to bypass that disaster might be several collectors on each side having the same items of equal to crafter stats

another might be neutral crafters in areas available to all

i dont think they will stumble over something this big.

they have had more than a year to see this and i gave 2 workable ideas in just a minute

Good points, I agree, it's more fear of the unknown. Being part of a very small guild (of friends), the alliance control would hurt me the most. Faction control (if set up right) will be changing constantly over time so I just to be patient or if it's one sided, shift to the enemy

Personally, I won't be getting Factions. I've had several items dissapear due to game glithes in the past months, and Anet's response was (paraphrased) "people have made false claims about this kind of thing before in an effort to scam us. We will not replace your items or reimburse you the lost funds. If you attempt to scam us again, we will ban your account"

Lovely way to treat a paying customer. So I definately will not be buying Factions.

well, half the people here are complaining because their parents won't let them, lol.

I'm not sure if I'm going to buy it, either. It depends entirely on the PvE side, and, like another poster said, I don't like getting forced into PvP.

Im buying Factions when it comes out april 28th ty for asking ^_^

pre-oredered yesterday.
i think a little less than 1000 hr played over 10 months says that guild wars was worth $50, purchasing in hope that factions will destroy whatever is left of my social life.