Deleting posts

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

16 Mar 2006 at 20:50 - 1

I don't know who deletes posts, but it's getting annoying. If you have a reason to delete a post (other than trash talking, flaming, rudeness and so on) you should inform the poster. Twice now today I've had posts deleted, and neither were rude. Keep up with the random deletions without notice and I'll find another forum.

The Lich Ranger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Mo/Me

16 Mar 2006 at 20:59 - 2

No1 should be deleting yor comments unless they are flame or possible wrong

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

16 Mar 2006 at 23:13 - 3

Epinephrine, I've sent you a PM. Everyone, please don't ever hesitate to PM myself or Lasareth and find out why a particular post was deleted. We are more than happy to look into and let you know or discuss it with you. No need for threats as we'll be happy to get back with you.

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

17 Mar 2006 at 01:44 - 4

Sorry, didn't mean to sound so annoyed, it just got to me... bad day and sinus headache, doesn't make for happy Epi :P

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

17 Mar 2006 at 02:53 - 5

Let me give you some advice when PMing Inde or Lasareth review your PM to make you didn't 'accidently' posted some flames.

icemonkey

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

17 Mar 2006 at 03:21 - 6

since about 10% of my posts are deleted would it be possible to get a notice when posts are deleted? Maybe you could point out specific parts that you object to so i could avoid it in the future? you know work together? i get so many posts deleted and i don't even know whos doing it, could that be part of deleting a post? letting the person know why?

d4nowar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/

17 Mar 2006 at 03:47 - 7

Mods have gone over that and have said how much work that would be to explain why every single post was deleted.

It would take hours with the amount of crap they delete every day.

Lasareth

Aquarius

Join Date: Jun 2005

Somewhere between Boardwalk and Park Place

17 Mar 2006 at 03:49 - 8

For the most part, posts that we consider minor violations we just delete with no note. Usually, if you don't get a PM, you're in no danger of anything happening, but if you are genuinely curious, then feel free to ask me privately and I'll relay the contents of the post and the reason to you.

We try not to do this stuff in the dark then hammer you for something you didn't even know you did. We respect our users as much as we enjoy having them, and if there's a chance that we can help out, then we would like to.

And, as always, we do listen, and we can make changes if they're necessary, so let us know what's up

icemonkey

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

18 Mar 2006 at 16:38 - 9

ok well if it happens and i want an explanation ill ask thanks for the information

AeroLion

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

19 Mar 2006 at 22:55 - 10

Maybe it's time that moderators did not delete post but instead blanked them with an edit note, that way users would be able to inquire to specific mods about the why of the matter. The lack of accountabilty is a serious problem.

Also, I've posted an image to Penny Arcade in a post this week which was deleted. However, no one can know if I deleted it or if a moderator deleted it. And, if a mod deleted it, why? Was it because of language? Did it expand the table length more than is acceptable? Does GWG or Anet consider Penny Arcade copyright more than anything else on the web, thusly wants it off the forum to avoid any legal ramifications?

How are people supposed to know if you no one says anything?

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

19 Mar 2006 at 23:21 - 11

AeroLion, first off we do not discuss other's moderating actions. So that portion of your post has been edited. I have all ready discussed this with Ephinephrine.

Second, if you ever have a question as to why a post is deleted... ask. There is accountability, I can see all mod actions and reasons for those actions. Again, from the post above:

Quote:

Everyone, please don't ever hesitate to PM myself or Lasareth and find out why a particular post was deleted. We are more than happy to look into and let you know or discuss it with you.

AeroLion

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

19 Mar 2006 at 23:49 - 12

The thing is, Inde, I don't have a problem with mods; I'd just like to know why my (in a general sense) post was edited/deleted/etc publically so I, and other people, do not make the same mistakes again. That's it. If a mod deletes/edits a post, I will believe that is in good faith. I just want to know what was wrong with the post so I may avoid that same trapping in the future.

This has simply not been done in any way so far. I just want more accountabilty for the mods so people can know what they are doing wrong and change for the better.

PieXags

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Infinite Representation Of Pie And Its Many Brilliances

20 Mar 2006 at 00:58 - 13

AeroLion, we already have a way for the public to know what mistakes they shouldn't make. We call them, the forum guidelines. Again, as has been said, if a deleted post is anything that might warrant punishment in the future you'll be PMed about it. Otherwise we can't be bothered to make note of every single post we delete daily. It would take us just as much time to make note of a bad post as it would a forum member to PM Inde or Lasareth about it if they're curious, except we'd be doing it hundreds of times.

Mercury Angel

Avatar of Gwen

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wandering my own road.

20 Mar 2006 at 02:34 - 14

One of the most common chain deletions that doesn't result in many PM's is like this;

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poster1

Trolling remarks

Quote: Originally Posted by Poster2 reply to trolling remarks Quote: Originally Posted by Poster3 reply to reply to trolling remarks Quote: Originally Posted by Poster4 quote of one of the replies or the original saying 'I agree' and no other content Quote: Originally Posted by Poster5 Personal attack against troll Quote: Originally Posted by Poster1 reply to personal attack Quote: Originally Posted by Poster3

quoting the personal attacks and saying that they'll get modded

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poster1

personal attack against poster 3 and so on.

Many of the posters may have said nothing worthy of disciplinary action in that chain, but the entire thing throws the topic off, and all of the posts based solely on the comments that were deleted get removed too.

The easiest way to avoid post deletion when you haven't done anything wrong, really, is probably to ignore the trolls, the personal attacks, and not respond to any of the following posts addressing them [Though, knowing every post that's going to be deleted in advance is obviously not going to happen]. And pseudo-modding may warrant deletion as well. I've seen some pretty reckless attempts at pseudo-modding;

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poster1

SO AND SO [Name reference] SCAMMED ME

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poster2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poster1

SO AND SO [Name reference] SCAMMED ME Hey, it's against the rules to use people's in-game names like that. Poster 2 means well, but they've just preserved poster 1's post in the form of a quote. It's easy enough to edit the post and PM poster 2 to explain things when it's just poster 2, but these things as well are often found in chains. The best way to avoid these problems is to use the 'report post' button.

But those're just 2 possibilities; There're others. Usually, if a post vanishes and doesn't come with a PM, it most likely won't be used against you in the future in any case. Hope this was good enough despite being vague to give a general idea of how things may happen; And, as was said, the admins can see all moderation actions performed, so if you have questions regarding a moderation not addressed by the guidelines, then they can probably handle it.

Billiard

Doctor of Philosophy

Join Date: May 2005

Pacific Northwest

Team Love [kiSu] www.teamlove.us

20 Mar 2006 at 03:34 - 15

Deleted posts are visible to all mods and admins. If you have an issue with a post that has been deleted you can contact the powers that be, and then they can make sure there was a legitimate reason for the post being deleted. If you don't receive a PM about the deletion, maybe spend a moment to reflect as to why it might have been deleted and then don't do that again. This might include re-reading the guidelines for that particular forum.

icemonkey

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

20 Mar 2006 at 05:08 - 16

do deleted posts show up in yer post history? private one at least?

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

20 Mar 2006 at 05:17 - 17

Nope, you can't see your own deleted posts.

Red Locust

Site Contributor

Join Date: May 2005

20 Mar 2006 at 06:27 - 18

I follow up my deletions with PM's, but then I don't delete that many posts. It is unfortunate that the reasons for deleting a post aren't visible to regular members, and with the large amount of stuff getting deleted everyday it does get hard to keep up with all the PM's. PM'ing the mods seems to be the best way of going about this.

Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

W/Mo

20 Mar 2006 at 12:58 - 19

Nobody likes to see one of their posts deleted...especially me. However, when it happens I like to know why...because I am not perfect and make mistakes. I personally need to know WHY I was wrong in my post. Now if I was just making trouble and being stoopid then I should deserve to be deleted or even banned.

I have to say for the most part I get a PM when one of my posts are deleted. Most recently I had one deleted in the Off-Topic. Lasarath PMed me on it...he was very correct in deleting my post. I was kidding around with Swampgirl Inez about joining our Guild. In fact both Pie and I were...except I said why not just join us. I didn't even "think" of it as recruitment per say...I was just talking with her and joining in on the topic at hand. Well Lasarath like I said was very correct in deleting that post...because by the letter of the law it was Recruitment. He knew that I wasn't officially recruiting....but I had to agree and apologize to him for my post. (well I didn't HAVE to apologize...but it seemed the right thing to do)

Lasarath has always been very profession and kind in PMing me anyways...I am sure he is with everyone else.

My only complaint would be in Deleting whole threads. I would rather the thread be closed and MARKED as to NOT do in the forum., Sometimes within the thread there is good info that would be lost by deleting the whole thread. I say this because it has been told to us that deleting accounts would not speed up the forum or slow it down due to space. Then leaving the threads there so we can search out that "good info" on them that is still avalible.

Fallen_62

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2006

20 Mar 2006 at 20:53 - 20

I just wanted to give a little input on this as well. You may (or may not) know me from GWOnline.net. We often lock threads instead of delete them, and we often give public warnings if we delete posts in a thread but leave the thread open. I leave it up to my mods to do what they feel is right in any situation. I dont expect them to explain every deletion/edit/etc to members, as that would take up too much of their time.

All of the mods on GWO, and Im assuming most, if not all here at GWG, are volunteers and do not get paid for the time they spend on teh site. I, personally, do not want my staff spending so much time on the forums that they get sick of them or they dont do anythign in real life. Im not sure of the moderation that goes on here, but I do know that if I asked my mods to inform every member why their post was edited or deleted, they would probably not have enough time to sleep at night.

I, pesonally, dont give a PM reason why unless I am asked for it by the user or one of my staff. What my staff does I leave up to them, but I know about 1/2 do give PMs and the other 1/2 dont. Its moderator style and preference. Im sure if you guys just talked to the mod(s) of the forum(s) where the post(s) were deleted, and Im sure they can give you an explination. Just be sure to ask politely

So, Im not sure if that helped at all, but that is just another Admin/Mod perspective on this issue.

koneko

Site Contributor

Join Date: Sep 2005

38??16′ N 140??52′ E

Mo/Me

28 Mar 2006 at 05:37 - 21

I'm going to bump this.

I've had a few posts deleted with no reason given. No PM, no notification. Nada.

edited, ty for the reply kthx

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

28 Mar 2006 at 05:52 - 22

I responded to you in PM koneko.