why nvidia over ati?
Res Surection
why does everyone,EVERYONE, want a Nvidia over an Ati??
Narada
It's a matter of personal preference, I wouldn't say that everyone prefers NVIDIA. I've always run ATI myself, but I'll say that if I ever upgrade my mobo to one with PCI-E, I'll almost definately go with NVIDIA. From reviews and such, to me at least, it seems that NVIDIA tends to own the PCI world at this time while ATI leads in AGP. (Though ATI has also been producing high-end PCI-E cards, I'm just not as familiar with them so my opinion is obviously biased.)
Zaxan Razor
I dunno..the last two cards i bought were both ATI..they've worked sooooo much better than any Nvidia card id had before..less bugs..less problems with texturing in games etc.
Never ever buying Nvidia again.
Never ever buying Nvidia again.
Teklord
Last nVidia card I had was Viper V770 Ultra TNT2. Nothing wrong with it either. Next I went to the Radeon 9600 Pro, and then most recently I acquired the X1800XL. Probably this summer I'll go Crossfire. No particular reason I have I chosen one side over the other, save I'm Canadian I suppose.
Josh
I prefer ATI over nVidia...
Just to be honest, I'm waiting for ATI to release there new CrossFire without the silly cable and better performance and without using a 'master card', which is coming out soon before I upgrade.
Just to be honest, I'm waiting for ATI to release there new CrossFire without the silly cable and better performance and without using a 'master card', which is coming out soon before I upgrade.
Tachyon
I prefer Nvidia myself. One of the main reasons is that I fly a lot of FS2004 and for some reason the reflective textures on the aircraft go all icky with ATI.
OneArmedScissor
Well... The Nvidia 6 serious owned anything ATI put up against it...
The new 1900s are the new dominating cards, even though Nvidia just released the 7900s and 7600s. But ATI has one amazing card that beats all of the Nvidia cards, but all of Nvidia's cards beat everything else besides the 1900. The 1900 is also like $500+... Which one would you buy?
My eVGa 6800GS is a beast. Comes stock with 450MHz core, but I've got it overclocked to 520MHz core...
The 6800GS is one hell of a card to try and beat. Especially since it's around $170-$150 and you can overclock the piss out of it.
The new 1900s are the new dominating cards, even though Nvidia just released the 7900s and 7600s. But ATI has one amazing card that beats all of the Nvidia cards, but all of Nvidia's cards beat everything else besides the 1900. The 1900 is also like $500+... Which one would you buy?
My eVGa 6800GS is a beast. Comes stock with 450MHz core, but I've got it overclocked to 520MHz core...
The 6800GS is one hell of a card to try and beat. Especially since it's around $170-$150 and you can overclock the piss out of it.
Res Surection
i just had that card, now im sending it bak to get a SAPPHIRE 100131 Radeon X800GTO 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card, but mine was a gt not gs
Ghozer
Thats a bad statement "why does EVERYONE prefer...??" I dont, I prefer ATI, 99% of my friends and family prefer ATI, most of the people i speak to on line prefer ATI so yeah...
hmm, odd, cause my low-end, budget x1600 has a 520Mhz core stock, and a 500ram clock, (its slow cause its AGP not PCI-e)
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OneArmedScissor eVGa 6800GS is a beast. Comes stock with 450MHz core, but I've got it overclocked to 520MHz core... |
lord_shar
At the moment, both NVidia and ATI's high end cards are pretty evenly matched, with one company being faster than the other in some games and slower in other apps. You really can't go wrong with either.
If I had to choose between the two, I'd go NVidia for several reasons:
1) NVidia unified detonator drivers seem to run more stable on the PC's I've worked with (not always true of all PC's... just personal experience)
2) When NVidia launches a new product, the items are immediately available upon announcement at most online e-tailers like NewEgg, Zip Zoom Fly, etc... With ATI, product launches are almost always 2-5 months ahead of actual product availability. VAPOR-LAUNCHES ALWAYS DRIVE ME INSANE.
3) Quad-SLI is already available for the UBER-loaded PC-gamer. ATI has no equivalent solution yet, but then again, quad-SLI the bragging rights will cost you a vital organ.
ATI Crossfire should be more cost-effective down the road since you don't have to keep the video card hardware spec's matched.
I'm still holding off on commiting to either platform, only because my current NVidia 6800-Ultra seems good enough for GW. Once GW's requirements start exceeding my system's ability to handle it smoothly, then I'll purchase whatever card gives me the most perfomance and stability regardless of cost.
If I had to choose between the two, I'd go NVidia for several reasons:
1) NVidia unified detonator drivers seem to run more stable on the PC's I've worked with (not always true of all PC's... just personal experience)
2) When NVidia launches a new product, the items are immediately available upon announcement at most online e-tailers like NewEgg, Zip Zoom Fly, etc... With ATI, product launches are almost always 2-5 months ahead of actual product availability. VAPOR-LAUNCHES ALWAYS DRIVE ME INSANE.
3) Quad-SLI is already available for the UBER-loaded PC-gamer. ATI has no equivalent solution yet, but then again, quad-SLI the bragging rights will cost you a vital organ.
ATI Crossfire should be more cost-effective down the road since you don't have to keep the video card hardware spec's matched.
I'm still holding off on commiting to either platform, only because my current NVidia 6800-Ultra seems good enough for GW. Once GW's requirements start exceeding my system's ability to handle it smoothly, then I'll purchase whatever card gives me the most perfomance and stability regardless of cost.
twangansta
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Originally Posted by Ghozer
Thats a bad statement "why does EVERYONE prefer...??" I dont, I prefer ATI, 99% of my friends and family prefer ATI, most of the people i speak to on line prefer ATI
so yeah...hmm, odd, cause my low-end, budget x1600 has a 520Mhz core stock, and a 500ram clock, (its slow cause its AGP not PCI-e) |
Res Surection
so, twangangsta wat card would u preffer for me for under 200$?
volsungxiii
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so, twangangsta wat card would u preffer for me for under 200$?
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As of recent, 256 Mb video cards, from both manufacturers, can be found under 200 dollars. Theser are lower end ones (slower internal clock speed, etc) than the more expensive ones, but will still work very well, especially for guild wars.
In fact, I'm still running an ATI Radeon 9200, 128 mb. Works great, even with high video settings.
If you really don't understand the technical aspects of it, then it really doesn't matter. It's not like you'll tell the difference ^_^
volsungxiii
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...hmm, odd, cause my low-end, budget x1600 has a 520Mhz core stock, and a 500ram clock, (its slow cause its AGP not PCI-e)
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Res Surection
i wish
lord_shar
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Originally Posted by volsungxiii
I thought APG was faster than PCI?
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A PCIe x16 lane can move 3.7gig/sec bidirectionally, but most video cards don't take advangate of the extra bandwidth yet, so we won't see dramatic improvements over AGP yet just because of the slot change. However, PCIe does allow SLI to once again become a reality since PCIe system boards can have 2+ PCIe x16 slots, while most older sytems only have a single AGP slot.
PCI is the oldest of the slot formats (ISA and EISA don't count), and is a fossilized dinosaur when it comes to performance graphics applications.
MMSDome
i use a Ati the 9800 pro. I have no problem with either. My view is that Nvidia isnt as great performance as ati but it will last your a hell of a lot lnoger then a ati card. Ati is great for a spurr of the moment card if you dont mind having to get a new one every 1 or 2 years.
Shukrut
Cost efficiency should be what drives your buy my friend... Check what games you play, how good you want them to run and how much money you're ready to spend... Once you have all this in mind, shake your little head and check out the outcome.
Before I buy something I'll always check www.tomshardware.com They usually have good reviews, charts and comparison.
I personnaly own a 6600GT 128MB PCI-e (together with AMD Athlon64 3000+ and 1GB DDR400). Works perfectly with GW @ max res and max AA.
Check what games you play, how good you want them to run and how much money you're ready to spend... Once you have all this in mind, shake your little head and check out the outcome.Before I buy something I'll always check www.tomshardware.com They usually have good reviews, charts and comparison.
I personnaly own a 6600GT 128MB PCI-e (together with AMD Athlon64 3000+ and 1GB DDR400). Works perfectly with GW @ max res and max AA.
Res Surection
well i play GW i want unreal tounament play area51, games along those lines, War games also such as battlefield
u cant forget the sims
u cant forget the sims
twangansta
I haven't been keeping up to date on prices and the performance of various computer hardware, and I'm only more informed on Nvidia cards.
I would say the 6800 GS is a great buy, I've seen as low las 149.99 on Newegg (maybe lower). For something a bit more, the 7600 GT seems right around $200, but I haven't read enough reviews on it to get a full knowledge of its performance.
I would say the 6800 GS is a great buy, I've seen as low las 149.99 on Newegg (maybe lower). For something a bit more, the 7600 GT seems right around $200, but I haven't read enough reviews on it to get a full knowledge of its performance.
stickyballs
All a matter of preference. I use NVidia 6800 GT and it works *slightly* better than my X800. Doesn't really make a different IMHO.
Res Surection
isnt the core clock and memory speed lower?
j0j081
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isnt the core clock and memory speed lower?
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Anyway here is a brief summary of the last few years for those of you interested. the whole Nvidia 5XXX line sucked. DirectX 9 performance was horrible in comparison to ATIs 9XXX line more specifically the 96/97/9800s. These are still some of the most widely used cards today. Nvidia however turned things around drastically with the 6XXX line, the 6800 has been out for a long time now and it still considered by some to be the best bang for the buck. All of the 6 line outperformed anything ATI could offer at the time in their various market segments. Then to top it off the 78 line was released pushing back ATI even more. Although ATI did bring forth a card to match it (x1800 line) this wasn't until months after the initial Nvidia release when for all intents and purposes the competition was over, not to mention ATI couldn't meet demand and basically had a paper launch. Finally, ATI made up a lot of ground by refreshing the x1800 line into the x1900 line. This beat out Nvidia's top 7800 cards but just a couple weeks ago Nvidia launched the 79 line which now holds the peformance crown but only if you have $500-600 to spend on the GTX model. Nvnews a site I visit frequently has quite a few members purchasing card like that in SLI so I guess there is a market for it. As far as SLI and Crossfire goes, so far SLI has been the far better option but like someone said ATI is still trying to improve their two card version.
OneArmedScissor
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I haven't been keeping up to date on prices and the performance of various computer hardware, and I'm only more informed on Nvidia cards.
I would say the 6800 GS is a great buy, I've seen as low las 149.99 on Newegg (maybe lower). For something a bit more, the 7600 GT seems right around $200, but I haven't read enough reviews on it to get a full knowledge of its performance. |
You guys are comparing AGP X1600s with PCI-E 6800GSs?!?
OneArmedScissor
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you can't go by those alone. there are a lot more things to factor in.
Anyway here is a brief summary of the last few years for those of you interested. the whole Nvidia 5XXX line sucked. DirectX 9 performance was horrible in comparison to ATIs 9XXX line more specifically the 96/97/9800s. These are still some of the most widely used cards today. Nvidia however turned things around drastically with the 6XXX line, the 6800 has been out for a long time now and it still considered by some to be the best bang for the buck. All of the 6 line outperformed anything ATI could offer at the time in their various market segments. Then to top it off the 78 line was released pushing back ATI even more. Although ATI did bring forth a card to match it (x1800 line) this wasn't until months after the initial Nvidia release when for all intents and purposes the competition was over, not to mention ATI couldn't meet demand and basically had a paper launch. Finally, ATI made up a lot of ground by refreshing the x1800 line into the x1900 line. This beat out Nvidia's top 7800 cards but just a couple weeks ago Nvidia launched the 79 line which now holds the peformance crown but only if you have $500-600 to spend on the GTX model. Nvnews a site I visit frequently has quite a few members purchasing card like that in SLI so I guess there is a market for it. As far as SLI and Crossfire goes, so far SLI has been the far better option but like someone said ATI is still trying to improve their two card version. |
Hell... the X1800XT beats out the 7900GTX in COD2 and the 7900GT in FEAR and BF2.
glockjs
people turn into fanboys 
the market is back and forth. i'll go with whatever gives me the best bang for the buck so to speak. right now ati is on top of the high end. and crossfire>sli(by a mile)...but tomorrow that could change :/
the market is back and forth. i'll go with whatever gives me the best bang for the buck so to speak. right now ati is on top of the high end. and crossfire>sli(by a mile)...but tomorrow that could change :/
TB_
All Im gunna say is look at the bottom of the gw website.
Ghozer
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All Im gunna say is look at the bottom of the gw website.
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Teklord
Last I heard there was no clear cut winner in the Ultra High end Video card market. The X1900XTX will beat out the 7900GTX in some games and benchmarks, and the opposite is also true. Pretty much its a neck and neck race. As for SLI and Crossfire, well SLI is older so it wouldn't surprise me to hear that it is more stable. However there are two features with Crossfire that I absolutlely adore: You don't need identical model cards to run it, and you don't need 'profiles' to enable it in games, Crossfire works on any application right out of the box. As such, I'm currently running an X1800XL which when I purchased it was around $450.00 CAN, and that's about as much as I'll spend on one component at any one point in time. I'm set up using an Asus A8R MVP so that in the future all I need to do is purcahse the Crossfire X1800 Edition and I'm set. That'll be an easy upgrade.
PieXags
...touchy question to ask. Don't bother asking something like this on the Internet as it's usually just preference you'll hear. You can get a fine card from nVidia or ATI, both have cards that can be found at suitable prices to fit your needs I'm sure. A short while back I bought ATI's x850xt pe at $350 and it runs anything I can buy as of right now as high as I'd want it. ...by all means my PSU should probably have exploded right now (being that it's a 250W) but everything's been just fine with the card.
So long as stuff looks nice and pretty 'eh?
So long as stuff looks nice and pretty 'eh?
OneArmedScissor
for overclockability... get a 7900
For leaving it at stock settings... get a 1900
For leaving it at stock settings... get a 1900
Teklord
And why would anyone Overclock a top of the line Ultra High End I can run anything at the Highest Graphics possilbe graphics card?
I really don't understand what it is with people and overclocking these days! I mean fine, if your running some middle to lower end hardware, and you know what you are doing, overclock it so it can still play todays games that would make sense. But to overclock a 7900 or an 1900, I mean for those that know Spaceballs well ".. whats with you man, come on!" -Dark Helmet
I really don't understand what it is with people and overclocking these days! I mean fine, if your running some middle to lower end hardware, and you know what you are doing, overclock it so it can still play todays games that would make sense. But to overclock a 7900 or an 1900, I mean for those that know Spaceballs well ".. whats with you man, come on!" -Dark Helmet
Josh
^ Yeah, me too, I understand overclocking a lower and middle-range cards, but the top range of the cards, to me it's:
- Don't fix what isn't broken.
- Don't fix what isn't broken.
sigried
well i have a Nvidia an im having this stuped bug all the time im gettin i piss of witht the Nvidea car i think im goin to get a ATi, you see the Guildwars is specially desing to work with ATI less glithc
Peewee
Personally i have nothing but bad experience with this current NVidea 4000 MX card. Not only does the card suck, but customer support, and their seeming lethargy in fixing problems (that have more to with wasted power and conflicts than lack of card power) makes me more inclined to forget about them on my next card, whatever it may be.
As people have said, take an ATI for GW, as my card, and others NVidea cards, have major issues with GW as far as texturing goes, and other more recent games simplwont work. (i recently found that Battle For Middle Earth 2 will run on a GeForce 3 series, but not on a 4000 MX *sigh*)
As people have said, take an ATI for GW, as my card, and others NVidea cards, have major issues with GW as far as texturing goes, and other more recent games simplwont work. (i recently found that Battle For Middle Earth 2 will run on a GeForce 3 series, but not on a 4000 MX *sigh*)
Serafita Kayin
don't be pissed about an mx4000.
That architecture is 5 generations or so old.
GF2-GF3Ti-GF4Ti-GF5-GF6-GF7. Six generations. It's built on the Geforce 2 MX architecture, and was a crappy card back in the day. It's only purpose in life is cheap upgrades from onboard video and businesses.
If they wouldn't support a 5, 6, or 7 series. I'd cry. The MX 4000 is an embarrasment to them, and that's a quote.
That architecture is 5 generations or so old.
GF2-GF3Ti-GF4Ti-GF5-GF6-GF7. Six generations. It's built on the Geforce 2 MX architecture, and was a crappy card back in the day. It's only purpose in life is cheap upgrades from onboard video and businesses.
If they wouldn't support a 5, 6, or 7 series. I'd cry. The MX 4000 is an embarrasment to them, and that's a quote.
Cottage Pie
I use a Nvidea GeFroce FX5900...it does the job at an average of 50FPS with all settings on max. Nothing to moan about for £40
4runner
Just upgraded to 7900gtx 256ddr2 x16 pipe X2, what a difference!!!
core clock ___450mhz
memory clock____1400mhz
on an amd fx60 asus an8 sli, dam scored 33,256 on 3dmark2005
old score was 29,178 on a p4 3.6g ee asus main board with 7800gts oh what a difference
7800gt's
core clk_________400
memory clock____1000
Nvidia FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
core clock ___450mhz
memory clock____1400mhz
on an amd fx60 asus an8 sli, dam scored 33,256 on 3dmark2005
old score was 29,178 on a p4 3.6g ee asus main board with 7800gts oh what a difference
7800gt's
core clk_________400
memory clock____1000
Nvidia FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Str0b0
One word for why ATi is better. Crossfire. Enough said. NVidia has yet to come up with as good a dual card set up as the ATi Crossfire. Also, though this difference has become less distinct over the years. NVidia is designed to work best with Pentium chips. ATi is designed to work best with AMD chips. This isn't as noticeable now as it was a few years back but it does still make a difference.
Serafita Kayin
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One word for why ATi is better. Crossfire. Enough said. NVidia has yet to come up with as good a dual card set up as the ATi Crossfire. Also, though this difference has become less distinct over the years. NVidia is designed to work best with Pentium chips. ATi is designed to work best with AMD chips. This isn't as noticeable now as it was a few years back but it does still make a difference.
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Did you know that ATi MAKES Intel's chipsets now? That nVidia IGNORED the P4 for years and only released AMD boards?
Crossfire, though intelligent, is not as developed as SLi and in fact, I know people, myself included, who are experimenting with Crossfire cause nobody knows all the answers about it yet INCLUDING ATi.
It comes down to this. If you like it, use it. If you had a bad experience, evaluate it in an objective manner and ask yourself does it really seem indicative of the rest of the cards in a series. If yes, feel free to not buy them. If no, quit your bitching. I mean it. You may have a legitimate gripe about a SINGLE CARD but if you aren't able to test a few of them how do you know they're all crap? I CAN and DO test multiple cards, of the same types and different types, and I can tell you that each card can be night and day.
Who's better? Who cares! Get what you can afford and what makes you happy, cause if you wanna brag about e-penis (which is what this boils down to) I can shame you all. I'm industry. I knew what was in 7800 before it was more than a gamer's wet dream. I helped lay out the power circuitry on my own board. That board made it into production and has been setting records ever since.
If you wanna argue knowledge, I'll wipe the floor with most people before i roll out of bed, but I'm not here to beat people with my knowledge. I'll tell you the most important thing I ever learned.
Give it three months, and it'll all be different.
There is no better, only different. If you don't believe me, experiment.
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