Rangers get revenge! (b/p)
Bwsk8
I just wanted to say how great it is that rangers are finally wanted agian, thanks to the b/p builds that are out recently. I was finally able to find a group and complete the new underworld. (even though all I got was 1 ecto)
Sents
Good to hear your feeling the love. Me I just formed my ranger and havent ever really felt any ranger hate, but.. I understand it exists. As far as only getting an ecto, hey that aint bad, you know the old adage 'better than a poke in the eye....' Beast Masters made out quite well in the latest update as well if I understand correctley, so that should lead to yet more Ranger love...woot.
SnoopJeDi
Wanted in ToPK that is. Still nobody really appreciates the value of a good interrupt in missions like THK (Giant Stomp anybody?)
Juicey Shake
lol... I b/p'd through THK w/ 6 rangers. 1 n/me orders & a E/Mo spamming prot...
we had 1 death, a ranger went outside of the base and attacked some mursaat solo and got wooped pretty fast.
but otherwise we'de go to the extension areas and shoot down the mursaat before they reached out gates even.. rangers ftw.
we had 1 death, a ranger went outside of the base and attacked some mursaat solo and got wooped pretty fast.
but otherwise we'de go to the extension areas and shoot down the mursaat before they reached out gates even.. rangers ftw.
FalconDance
It's a shame really. My ranger has never been a trapper and that is still what is wanted for FoW and UW. But she has gone out Queen hunting several times as well as escorting friends through missions (and the Desert) and her skills seem to be welcomed now. 
Count to Potato
Rangers are so useful, for Traps, Beasts, and interupt, just no one knows the ultimate power within
Theos
The only ranger hate I see is the one that is caused by people using the same builds over and over and over. But then this applies to all classes. The sad thing is, really in my opinion, that now with B/P droves of rangers who know nothing will appear in places where they really don't do anything...
Example: Lets barrage that single aatxe! Lets barrage those Shielded Smites. Etc...
Example: Lets barrage that single aatxe! Lets barrage those Shielded Smites. Etc...
Charqus
Edit: i remembered now from doing tombs with my ranger and monk it a barrage/ pet grp aint it!!
Im clever!!!
lol
Im clever!!!
lol
Theos
Its a build where a bunch of rangers spam Barrage caworing behind their pets that take most of the pain. Then an MM will raise Minions and an Orders necro will power them up... etc...
Str0b0
Rangers are one of the most balanced professions in the game and certainly one of the easiest to proceed through the game with. They can heal themselves, they can heal their party. they have more defensive and avoidance stances than warriors and their armor packs good protection and elemental bonuses. Their damage is consistent and higher than the potential damage of a sword warrior, that is going strictly by base weapon damage before anyone jumps my case.
Rangers are just a very well balanced profession and can go well with almost any secondary.
Rangers are just a very well balanced profession and can go well with almost any secondary.
Guardian of the Light
Yes rangers are finally accepted.
Monk: ok I admit it you can actually do something with barrage.
Ranger: Thanks I'm gald to be back
Warrior: Come on our team is good with just warriors, nercos, eles and monks
Monks: SHUT UP WAMMO OR I WON'T HEAL YOU
Warrior: Yes sir....
Mesmer: So guys can you let me in now?
Monk: LOL go away n00b play something else.
Mesmer:
Monk: ok I admit it you can actually do something with barrage.
Ranger: Thanks I'm gald to be back
Warrior: Come on our team is good with just warriors, nercos, eles and monks
Monks: SHUT UP WAMMO OR I WON'T HEAL YOU
Warrior: Yes sir....
Mesmer: So guys can you let me in now?
Monk: LOL go away n00b play something else.
Mesmer:
Russell.Crowe
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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light
Yes rangers are finally accepted.
Monk: ok I admit it you can actually do something with barrage. Ranger: Thanks I'm gald to be back Warrior: Come on our team is good with just warriors, nercos, eles and monks Monks: SHUT UP WAMMO OR I WON'T HEAL YOU Warrior: Yes sir.... Mesmer: So guys can you let me in now? Monk: LOL go away n00b play something else. Mesmer: |
Theos
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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light
Yes rangers are finally accepted.
Monk: ok I admit it you can actually do something with barrage. Ranger: Thanks I'm gald to be back Warrior: Come on our team is good with just warriors, nercos, eles and monks Monks: SHUT UP WAMMO OR I WON'T HEAL YOU Warrior: Yes sir.... Mesmer: So guys can you let me in now? Monk: LOL go away n00b play something else. Mesmer: |
Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by Theos
Priceless... and true :P I still say Barrage isn't much of an elite... but then again people seem to gravitate towards number generators not utilities :P
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That extra damage really can add up quick.As far as it goes tho, I don't think Rangers have ever had too much of a problem getting into groups (I never have). It's just that most groups (balanced) will only want 1 ranger in it. It is still the Mesmers that are getting no love. (silly non-mesmer appreciating fools!)
NinjaKai
Being a mesmer I can value other classes being so undervalued myself. I always try to bring a ranger into the group. The type of ranger depends purely on the purpose. If it's a certain mission. Then i'll get a few trappers, if it's farming then it's blah blah blah. You get the picture.
Sekkira
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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light
Yes rangers are finally accepted.
Monk: ok I admit it you can actually do something with barrage. Ranger: Thanks I'm gald to be back Warrior: Come on our team is good with just warriors, nercos, eles and monks Monks: SHUT UP WAMMO OR I WON'T HEAL YOU Warrior: Yes sir.... Mesmer: So guys can you let me in now? Monk: LOL go away n00b play something else. Mesmer: |
Mesmer: Wow, I get more blind invites than I do as a monk @_@
master_ranger_matt
As long as you know the build for the area there is never any ranger hate. Get informed and you will get groups quickly.
Desbreko
I played a trap/interrupt ranger through almost all of PvE and never had any trouble getting into groups. In the earlier missions, people tend to take whoever they can get so long as there's a monk involved, and in the later missions it seems like people can appreciate a good ranger.
Really, I had the easiest time playing through the game with my ranger. I could screw over physical damage dealers with my traps, and I could screw over casters just as well with my interrupts. So I was causing a fair bit of damage to the baddies, while at the same time mitigating the damage that my party members were taking. And at 15 Wilderness Survival, I could pop Troll Unguent for +10 regen if I started to take some hits. Not since playing through with my fire ele before the AI update have I felt like such a badass as I did while taking my ranger through the PvE missions.
Really, I had the easiest time playing through the game with my ranger. I could screw over physical damage dealers with my traps, and I could screw over casters just as well with my interrupts. So I was causing a fair bit of damage to the baddies, while at the same time mitigating the damage that my party members were taking. And at 15 Wilderness Survival, I could pop Troll Unguent for +10 regen if I started to take some hits. Not since playing through with my fire ele before the AI update have I felt like such a badass as I did while taking my ranger through the PvE missions.
zoozoc
yay for pve ppl who just copy builds and think that they cant win without an exact replica of that build.
Hockster
Like PvP is any different. Give you head a shake.
Vilaptca
Its nice to see Rangers getting a place in PvE more.
But I think its incredibly funny when the Warriors come to Tombs and spam all chat with "Why nobody want warrior no more?" I take a screenshot of every warrior that does it. Its become very amusing to me. They can farm everything in the world, and then nobody wants them in ONE place and they cry about it...
I'm also very happy that my Blood Necro isn't constantly a Battery anymore. He's expanding his builds to Battery or Orders now...its not much, but its a start.
But I think its incredibly funny when the Warriors come to Tombs and spam all chat with "Why nobody want warrior no more?" I take a screenshot of every warrior that does it. Its become very amusing to me. They can farm everything in the world, and then nobody wants them in ONE place and they cry about it...
I'm also very happy that my Blood Necro isn't constantly a Battery anymore. He's expanding his builds to Battery or Orders now...its not much, but its a start.
Guardian of the Light
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Originally Posted by Hockster
Like PvP is any different. Give you head a shake.
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Also I wonder what will happen when assassins and ritualists come out
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Monk: ok I admit it you can actually do something with barrage. Ranger: Thanks I'm gald to be back Warrior: Come on our team is good with just warriors, nercos, eles and monks Monks: SHUT UP WAMMO OR I WON'T HEAL YOU Warrior: Yes sir.... Mesmer: So guys can you let me in now? Monk: LOL go away n00b play something else. Mesmer:
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Ritualist: Ya me too were the new guys
Monk: Hmmm what exactly do you do?
Ritualist: I summon spirts and some of them can heal and I can heal too. Also I can summon spirts to attack
Monk: Cool I'll let you in.
Assassin: I attack with daggers and I can kill stuff fast
Monk: Can you take a lot of hits like a warrior
Assassin: ....well no
Monk: GO AWAY NOOB!!!
Assassin: WHAT NOOB I'LL SHOW YOU WHOS A NOOB!!!! *pulls out daggers*
Monk: What are you going to do to me noob?
Assassin: *Uses Temple strike on monk*
Monk: AAAA DAZED!!! AAAA REPEATING STRIKE MAKE IT STOP.....
Ristaron
Mesmer: Hah. I could have saved you. But did I? NO! SUCKER! That'll teach you to shun the mesmer community!
Guardian of the Light
Warrior: So who should we help?
Ritualist: I don't know thier both acting like idiots
Ranger: Yea but we need to do something
Elementist: Na
Nerco: Look the assassin killed him
Monk: Ok I'll let you in.....just res me.
Assassin: Thats more I like it
Monk: Well I guess I'll let anybody in
Mesmer: Yeaaaa
Monk: Except the mesmer n00b
Mesmer: *uses IW*
Monk:
ooooo aaa don't ok ok I'll let you in
Mesmer:
Ritualist: I don't know thier both acting like idiots
Ranger: Yea but we need to do something
Elementist: Na
Nerco: Look the assassin killed him
Monk: Ok I'll let you in.....just res me.
Assassin: Thats more I like it
Monk: Well I guess I'll let anybody in
Mesmer: Yeaaaa
Monk: Except the mesmer n00b
Mesmer:
*uses IW*Monk:
ooooo aaa don't ok ok I'll let you inMesmer:
Hockster
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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light
Well you have to consider that there is more PvP unique builds then PvE ones.
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Yup, sure are a lot more builds.
Stabber
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Originally Posted by Hockster
Uhh, yeah. Warrior with pet and iway, warrior with gale, warrior with shock, ranger with traps and resolve, ranger with punishing, savage, dual shot, necro with orders, necro with minnions, mesmers with e denial.
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coolsti
After playing GW for well over a half year now, this post points out something that really makes me sick about this game, and makes me want to only play with friends groups or henchies and not unknown PUGs.
Ooooh, great, a ranger is now finally wanted again, because of a special "trick" party build, this barrage/pet build. And so what? If I want to take my ranger out to FOW or Tombs UW, I now have to follow this build and go out with a certain team composition, or I don't get invited! And if I want to do something else with my ranger build, or want to go out as ranger with a more balanced group, or want to go out with my Mesmer, for example, I can just forget about getting into a group!
When I play with various friends, we always seem to have a fairly balanced group. Usually there is at least one ranger, at least one mesmer, maybe an elementalist, usually two monks, at most 2 warriors (but often only 1) and usually a necro. And we really don't care what build each of the characters take, within reason (ok, the monks need to heal and protect). And we have more fun doing UW, FOW, SF and Tombs UW in these groups than I ever have had as trapper ranger in UW or b/p ranger in Tombs UW.
What I am saying is, its this polarization that irks me, where almost every group being formed these days seems to be one of these specialized parties. Geez, just go out and form some balanced parties and have some fun with it!
Ooooh, great, a ranger is now finally wanted again, because of a special "trick" party build, this barrage/pet build. And so what? If I want to take my ranger out to FOW or Tombs UW, I now have to follow this build and go out with a certain team composition, or I don't get invited! And if I want to do something else with my ranger build, or want to go out as ranger with a more balanced group, or want to go out with my Mesmer, for example, I can just forget about getting into a group!
When I play with various friends, we always seem to have a fairly balanced group. Usually there is at least one ranger, at least one mesmer, maybe an elementalist, usually two monks, at most 2 warriors (but often only 1) and usually a necro. And we really don't care what build each of the characters take, within reason (ok, the monks need to heal and protect). And we have more fun doing UW, FOW, SF and Tombs UW in these groups than I ever have had as trapper ranger in UW or b/p ranger in Tombs UW.
What I am saying is, its this polarization that irks me, where almost every group being formed these days seems to be one of these specialized parties. Geez, just go out and form some balanced parties and have some fun with it!
Mimi Miyagi
While it is irritating to see groups so polarized and inflexible in certain runs (UW trappers, Oro farming, Tombs, etc) or PvP play (IWAY, etc) it does allow for disparate people that don't know each other to build a group that is a known build, much like a guild forming a specific build to do GvG. As long as everyone does their roles as expected, the team can succeed.
Can it fail? Sure, happens all the time, especially when people quit becuase they died, or the team as a whole ran into problems (that normally can be surmounted). Nothing you can do to change that behavior. But chances are that particular team will succeed over a "balanced" group whose roles aren't so specifically defined. That's just reality.
So, as always, you have a choice. You can form your own group, and play in that way. You can utilize your friends list, or join a guild that does a lot of PvE farming runs.
I also get amused when folks running a particlar profession bemoan the fact they can't join groups in particular areas. Mesmers probably feel the most left out, luckily there isn't that many anyway (tail wagging the dog?). The answer? Make a character that is popular (I'd suggest a necro MM as that particular character can be used just about anywhere) and play. You'll get into groups, everyone is happy, and you'll have fun playing a role that doe a bunch of killing (if you're good at it).
In short, you only have blame for yourself if you selfishly demand that others accept you and your profession in the game. It may be conformist, but that's life.
Can it fail? Sure, happens all the time, especially when people quit becuase they died, or the team as a whole ran into problems (that normally can be surmounted). Nothing you can do to change that behavior. But chances are that particular team will succeed over a "balanced" group whose roles aren't so specifically defined. That's just reality.
So, as always, you have a choice. You can form your own group, and play in that way. You can utilize your friends list, or join a guild that does a lot of PvE farming runs.
I also get amused when folks running a particlar profession bemoan the fact they can't join groups in particular areas. Mesmers probably feel the most left out, luckily there isn't that many anyway (tail wagging the dog?). The answer? Make a character that is popular (I'd suggest a necro MM as that particular character can be used just about anywhere) and play. You'll get into groups, everyone is happy, and you'll have fun playing a role that doe a bunch of killing (if you're good at it).
In short, you only have blame for yourself if you selfishly demand that others accept you and your profession in the game. It may be conformist, but that's life.
The New Guy
I dunno about the first post.... in my experience, Rangers are always welcome in a group. Wait, lemme re-phrase that, "good" and "experienced" players will always welcome a Ranger in a group. I said good and exp players 'cause only them will know what good a Ranger can do for the group. The skills of a good Ranger is very complex. They wouldn't call the Rangers "the jack of all trades" for nothing.
Yanman.be
heh i don't do thk without at least 6 rangers or necro's
too bad there are no mesmers in there
too bad there are no mesmers in there
midnight caretaker
I saw earlier in this thread that someone called a Mesmer a noob just for being one. WTF???? Mesmers are definitely not noobs and can help in any group. Actually you should always have a mesmer in your grp. Mesmers can devistate monsters, go in and tank it up with illusionary weapon (30 dmg every hit with a candy cane can humble just about anything). Besides that dom mesmers are a casters nightmare, you have 2 choices against them cast and kill urself or sit there and do nothing. The fastest way to get through thirsty river is put 2 dom mesmers in ur grp, trust me the grp of 3 legions go down in 6 minutes every time. You will make it through with only 1 dom mesmer as well, just 2 of them you will definitely rule. So I say to anyone who says dont accept them they are a mesmer, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!!!!!!! That is the person you should kick. 1 more point, mesmers are excellent at energy management. Me/n with ss = ass whoopin
jciardha
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Originally Posted by midnight caretaker
I saw earlier in this thread that someone called a Mesmer a noob just for being one. WTF???? Mesmers are definitely not noobs and can help in any group. Actually you should always have a mesmer in your grp. Mesmers can devistate monsters, go in and tank it up with illusionary weapon (30 dmg every hit with a candy cane can humble just about anything). Besides that dom mesmers are a casters nightmare, you have 2 choices against them cast and kill urself or sit there and do nothing. The fastest way to get through thirsty river is put 2 dom mesmers in ur grp, trust me the grp of 3 legions go down in 6 minutes every time. You will make it through with only 1 dom mesmer as well, just 2 of them you will definitely rule. So I say to anyone who says dont accept them they are a mesmer, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!!!!!!! That is the person you should kick. 1 more point, mesmers are excellent at energy management. Me/n with ss = ass whoopin
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Anyway, that's totally offtopic, and there's already a bazillion threads on mesmer mistreatment.
bobrath
Most recent experience - forming a B/P group and as we enter I notice we're short one pet... No worries, its not a deal breaker.
Little later on I notice one of the wurms is poisoned and neither necro has been running Death Nova... hmmm
Not 30 secs later one ranger chats "I'm using Poison Arrow on _____"
So we finish that battle and I ask the guy if he brought a pet - Nope. So I ask him what he thought B/P meant... "Bring Poison"......
Little later on I notice one of the wurms is poisoned and neither necro has been running Death Nova... hmmm
Not 30 secs later one ranger chats "I'm using Poison Arrow on _____"
So we finish that battle and I ask the guy if he brought a pet - Nope. So I ask him what he thought B/P meant... "Bring Poison"......
Theos
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Originally Posted by jciardha
Actually, I think the post in this thread was meant as a tongue-in-cheek parody of what really goes on in-game. And for the record, I HAVE been called useless and a noob for being a mesmer while playing in-game, as well as over Vent and TS.
Anyway, that's totally offtopic, and there's already a bazillion threads on mesmer mistreatment. |
Bwsk8
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Originally Posted by bobrath
Most recent experience - forming a B/P group and as we enter I notice we're short one pet... No worries, its not a deal breaker.
Little later on I notice one of the wurms is poisoned and neither necro has been running Death Nova... hmmm Not 30 secs later one ranger chats "I'm using Poison Arrow on _____" So we finish that battle and I ask the guy if he brought a pet - Nope. So I ask him what he thought B/P meant... "Bring Poison"...... |
I never meant to say it was really hard to find a group, but sometimes it just takes a while if you dont feel like doing traps.
On another note I finished the run agian and got another ecto and 2 worthless greens.
Cymboric Treewalker
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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi
While it is irritating to see groups so polarized and inflexible in certain runs (UW trappers, Oro farming, Tombs, etc) or PvP play (IWAY, etc) it does allow for disparate people that don't know each other to build a group that is a known build, much like a guild forming a specific build to do GvG. As long as everyone does their roles as expected, the team can succeed.
Can it fail? Sure, happens all the time, especially when people quit becuase they died, or the team as a whole ran into problems (that normally can be surmounted). Nothing you can do to change that behavior. But chances are that particular team will succeed over a "balanced" group whose roles aren't so specifically defined. That's just reality. So, as always, you have a choice. You can form your own group, and play in that way. You can utilize your friends list, or join a guild that does a lot of PvE farming runs. I also get amused when folks running a particlar profession bemoan the fact they can't join groups in particular areas. Mesmers probably feel the most left out, luckily there isn't that many anyway (tail wagging the dog?). The answer? Make a character that is popular (I'd suggest a necro MM as that particular character can be used just about anywhere) and play. You'll get into groups, everyone is happy, and you'll have fun playing a role that doe a bunch of killing (if you're good at it). In short, you only have blame for yourself if you selfishly demand that others accept you and your profession in the game. It may be conformist, but that's life. |
Gah!
Cymboric Treewalker
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Originally Posted by Yanman.be
heh i don't do thk without at least 6 rangers or necro's
too bad there are no mesmers in there |
wsmcasey
I enjoy playing a degen/interupt build most of the time, works great for fow, but its hard to get people to understand how I'm useful. I haven't tried b/p ranger yet and I don't think that I will. I do trap in UW, but the drops usually suck.
Mimi Miyagi
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Originally Posted by Cymboric Treewalker
As a person who enjoys my mesmer I can tell that you are greatly confused and probably play a warrior.
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YOU quite obviously didn't read my post very well. At no point did I state A) I hate mesmers B) think mesmers suck or C) don't allow them into parties because of A and B. I simply said there isn't a lot of them in game. At what point did I stutter?
I enjoy EVERY profession, for different reasons. The one I LEAST play is the warrior, since most districts have an overabundance of them. I play whatever role the PARTY needs, not just what *I* want to play. I'm one of those "unselfish" players that puts the needs of the many over my own self interest.
Go figure.
Theos
I may be guilty of this, but it is my opinion that people who play mesmer... well not everyone but a large majority, think that they get some special right to complain or whine about not being useful but being so strong/capable.