In Prophecies there are two quests earn you bonus attribute points, I believe 15 per quest.
Now I'm assuming Factions would have to have two quests like this to balance it with Prophecies characters. Now what if someone owned both Prophecies and Factions and did all four quests with their character so he gets a bonus 60 attribute points. That would be unfair since you are punished for not owning both games. So maybe Arena.net might cap the attribute point bonuses so if you complete two of the quests you can't complete the other two, or you get no attribute point bonus for doing so?
I'm really curious about this.
How will bonus attribute point quests be handled?
ShadowXOR
Helios
I'm willing to bet that if you start in Tyria that the attribute quests in Cantha won't be available. Likewise, if you start in Cantha, they won't be available in Tyria. It's not too complicated.
ehanks
I'm sure they've worked that out. But it will be interesting to see how many paralells there are...will there be "ascenscion" in Cantha? My guess is that ascension will be only in the Crystal Desert, and that Cantha will have it's own system. Ascension really wasn't anything game-altering...just the completion of a long series of quests.
My guess is that the 15-att point quests will only trigger for your "home" area. If you make a character in Cantha, he won't be able to do the Prophecies attribute quests, and vice-versa. Of course this is just speculation, but it makes some sense.
My guess is that the 15-att point quests will only trigger for your "home" area. If you make a character in Cantha, he won't be able to do the Prophecies attribute quests, and vice-versa. Of course this is just speculation, but it makes some sense.
ShadowXOR
That's what I thought...I just wanted to discuss it. I hope you're right. 
Exoudeous
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Arcanis the Omnipotent
Actually, I was kinda hoping they'd offer this so we all get a little boost, even if the level cap doesnt rise.
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Actually, I was kinda hoping they'd offer this so we all get a little boost, even if the level cap doesnt rise.
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Mordakai
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Actually, I was kinda hoping they'd offer this so we all get a little boost, even if the level cap doesnt rise.
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Seriously, "free" attribute points would unbalance the game would it not?
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Ah yes, never mind. I wasnt taking into account the people who wouldnt have both games.
However, it has nothing to do with the Level cap. Level cap regulates your max health and energy levels aswell. And as I recall, we recieve the last 30 points usually after we've already hit 20. So getting extra points after 20 is nothing new.
While it'd be easy to fix in the PVP accounts by simply raising the level. People who only have Prophecies or Factions would be left behind.
Still, I hope that in the future this happens. Its impossible to run a 4 attribute build without resorting to Superior Runes that just eat your health.
However, it has nothing to do with the Level cap. Level cap regulates your max health and energy levels aswell. And as I recall, we recieve the last 30 points usually after we've already hit 20. So getting extra points after 20 is nothing new.
While it'd be easy to fix in the PVP accounts by simply raising the level. People who only have Prophecies or Factions would be left behind.
Still, I hope that in the future this happens. Its impossible to run a 4 attribute build without resorting to Superior Runes that just eat your health.
Loviatar
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Actually, I was kinda hoping they'd offer this so we all get a little boost, even if the level cap doesnt rise.
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wouldnt that be the equivalent of a 2 level cap raise?
my, my, what i could do with 30 more points.
that equals a completely free level 7 in an additional area.
or a 9 to an 11 free of charge.
major unbalance there
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than dont do 4 of them.
it is your choice what you do.
if that then how about 30 more with each chapter?
2 levels more with each one.
no f way
Arcanis the Omnipotent
like I just stated above, raising your level would do more than just increase your attribute points.
Your health would go up two levels
As would your energy.
and as I stated before, we've already gotten as you call it "A two level rise" after hitting 20 with the two Attribute quests in Tyria.
Extra points would not unbalance the game. Its just there's no balanced way of implimenting it with the game being able to be seperated into two stand alone games. People with every game would have an extreme advantage over those who did not.
Your health would go up two levels
As would your energy.
and as I stated before, we've already gotten as you call it "A two level rise" after hitting 20 with the two Attribute quests in Tyria.
Extra points would not unbalance the game. Its just there's no balanced way of implimenting it with the game being able to be seperated into two stand alone games. People with every game would have an extreme advantage over those who did not.
Makkert
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Still, I hope that in the future this happens. Its impossible to run a 4 attribute build without resorting to Superior Runes that just eat your health.
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Extra points would not unbalance the game.
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Its just there's no balanced way of implimenting it with the game being able to be seperated into two stand alone games. People with every game would have an extreme advantage over those who did not.
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Note that having access to both Chapters allready grants the individual player extra strategic options, so he is allready at an advantage. However, looking at a full teambuild, this could perhaps be minimized by having all skills across the whole team to run a certain build's characters.
~ Makk.
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Wow, apparently I cant post anywhere on this forum anymore without people constantly acting like I'm a noob.
Geez.
No, extra attribute points would not unbalance the game? Why? Because an extra 30 would not "MAX OUT" 4 attributes like you just said.
At most, it would give you the ability to do 3 level 10s and probably a level 7 in the 4th. And even then if you did Superior runes then, we're only talking 10,13,13,13 With like the worst health you could possibly ask for, and you'd need a build like a 55 Monk to be able to survive.
30 extra points would just make it possible to run 4 without resorting to stupid runes. But I already said that my idea didnt work.
Is it really neccessary for you to act like an ass about it?
Geez.
No, extra attribute points would not unbalance the game? Why? Because an extra 30 would not "MAX OUT" 4 attributes like you just said.
At most, it would give you the ability to do 3 level 10s and probably a level 7 in the 4th. And even then if you did Superior runes then, we're only talking 10,13,13,13 With like the worst health you could possibly ask for, and you'd need a build like a 55 Monk to be able to survive.
30 extra points would just make it possible to run 4 without resorting to stupid runes. But I already said that my idea didnt work.
Is it really neccessary for you to act like an ass about it?
Makkert
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Wow, apparently I cant post anywhere on this forum anymore without people constantly acting like I'm a noob.
Geez. No, extra attribute points would not unbalance the game? Why? Because an extra 30 would not "MAX OUT" 4 attributes like you just said. At most, it would give you the ability to do 3 level 10s and probably a level 7 in the 4th. And even then if you did Superior runes then, we're only talking 10,13,13,13 With like the worst health you could possibly ask for, and you'd need a build like a 55 Monk to be able to survive. 30 extra points would just make it possible to run 4 without resorting to stupid runes. But I already said that my idea didnt work. Is it really neccessary for you to act like an ass about it? |
Adding 30 attributepoints wouldn't help in any way. It would maybe even lead to nerfing of various skills, since more powerfull skillcombinations of 3 or 4 attributelines would be able to be used togheter without much problem. Expanding on this, players would almost be forced to take (3 or) 4 attributelines, since there would be no advantage in taking only 2 attributelines. How would that improve the game?
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Well, actually, it'd help out PVE people alot.
In PVP it'd be unbalanced.
So then the choice becomes:
Extra points for PVE and those characters not allowed in the PVP areas anymore.
or
Keep things the way they are.
So in that respect it also would be a bad idea. I prefer using my PVE character when I do bother to pvp.
I think I'll just bow out of this thread now, I didnt really contribute anything =)
In PVP it'd be unbalanced.
So then the choice becomes:
Extra points for PVE and those characters not allowed in the PVP areas anymore.
or
Keep things the way they are.
So in that respect it also would be a bad idea. I prefer using my PVE character when I do bother to pvp.
I think I'll just bow out of this thread now, I didnt really contribute anything =)
fiery
I doubt it, 200 attribute points will be max.
Arcanis the Omnipotent
*shakes head, walks off to find something to do..*
Mordakai
Poor Arcanis....No, it's not exactly gaining a level, obviously. But since people take a minus 75 HP hit to have a 16 attribute, one could argue attribute points matter more than HP.
If Factions has extra attribute quests available to everyone, will Chapter 3 too? If it doesn't become unbalanced with Factions, it will eventually...
and that will go against Anet's whole plan of not having to buy every Chapter to be competitive.
Even if it's only for PvE like you suggested, that would still eventually spawn uber-characters who would break the teamplay concept. Plus, it appears that Anet is trying to bring PvE and PvP closer together, not farther apart.
Exoudeous
1, yes it would lead to unbalance because then people could take advantage of certain combos. take the new sentinal armor, people would be able to max strength easy, then have points to put into weapons, and then say earth magic so they can have even more armor.
2 your energy doesnt go up with yout level.
3. grow up and stop pouting that people arnt agreeing with you. I dont think you truely understand how a change like that could vastly change the game. Anet has enough to do keeping the new skills balanced. and besides, attrib points would then be abused, anet would nerf, and then peoples main class would feel the hurt. then there would be more complaining, and it would happen more if they gave more attrib points in other expansions*. then the game will become a grind, and it will fall into the ground in a huge firey exlposion.
*yes I called it an expansion, because it is i you already own the game. its only stand alone if your new.
2 your energy doesnt go up with yout level.
3. grow up and stop pouting that people arnt agreeing with you. I dont think you truely understand how a change like that could vastly change the game. Anet has enough to do keeping the new skills balanced. and besides, attrib points would then be abused, anet would nerf, and then peoples main class would feel the hurt. then there would be more complaining, and it would happen more if they gave more attrib points in other expansions*. then the game will become a grind, and it will fall into the ground in a huge firey exlposion.
*yes I called it an expansion, because it is i you already own the game. its only stand alone if your new.
EternalTempest
Agree with others that they will be locked out from C1 characters and C2 will not have access to C1 attribute quests and would be very unbalanced over time.
Exoudeous
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but if it was a case of I bought all 4 chapters of GW and now I have much more attrib points then the bum that didn't support the game. Well I could live with that...
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Now if someone buys the game, and then realizes they have to buy every chapter just to compete equally in the pvp that they bought the game for, they will quit, and then thats no more money for anet, which means no more game.
In the begining anet stated that the only thing you will ever have to pay for is game content. If you cant handle that then Im sorry. No one who owns every game is better then some one who doesnt, its just they get more areas to go to.
Goats17
This is really one of the stupidest arguments that I have ever heard. if I was a mod I would close this. They will keep the game balanced and only give access to the +30 to each individual chapter. It would be amazingly unfair if somepne could have full in all attributes, and someone new o the game tried to take them on in PvP.
Mods, plz close this.
Mods, plz close this.
Loviatar
4 years from now when chapter 10 is coming out i am old enough to be interested in this game and i look at a few forums and see that if i buy chapter 10 (or 1) i am about 260 attribute points behind (30 per chapter) and i say screw it if i spend that much time and money playing catch uplousy idea
mqstout
I'd hope the quests are still there and still doable -- just that they don't give you the 15 attribute points. I mean, that's what I pay for and play the game to do. Why remove the content I just bought because I already own and have played Prophesies?
Mordakai
Ingram, there is a big difference in bonus attribute points and all the skills.
Yes, not all skills will be available in all chapters. But it's quite a leap to say that unless you have every single skill in every chapter unlocked, you won't be able to make a competitive PvP character.
mqstout - I hope so, too.
Yes, not all skills will be available in all chapters. But it's quite a leap to say that unless you have every single skill in every chapter unlocked, you won't be able to make a competitive PvP character.
mqstout - I hope so, too.
UndeadRoadkill
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I said I doubted it would happen, the extra attribs will likely be replaced with some item or gold or whatever instead of attribs for the characters that are already maxed out... I am just sick of people acting like its their god given right to be equal to a person that supports the game. If you support it on an equal footing and buy all the chapters then you are equal, and deserve to get what you pay for. If you don't and leave the game, well then you leave. Better that way anyhow because your not supporting the game. If you bought the chapter and played it to completion and do not want the next chapters then your nothing but a leach in the system. Your not providing any new sources of income to anet to continue development and as such should leave... So if geewis some day down the road you cant do some uber attack or skill because you didn't buy the rest of the game chapters and you feel slighted, well too bad... Why should you get a free ride? Go buy the game like the rest of us did to get the abilities you lack... Otherwise you are just what I said a Bum. Complaining that the world continues to evolve and YOU got left behind...
OK How about this FACT smarty pants.. there are 30 extra skills per class for factions... More then likely there will be more again for chapter 3. YOU will be the guy complaining to anet that "ALL YOU HAVE IS THE REGULAR GW CHAPTER ONE AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS THESE EXTRA SKILLS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TOO... WAAAA!!!! I dont want to buy the rest of the game chapters, BUT GIVE ME THOSE SKILLS TOO TO BE EQUAL!!! WAAA!!!" Too friggen bad!!! Go buy the rest of the chapters like the the rest of the community did you cheap bum. Otherwise you don't deserve anything, other then what you already paid for in your chapter. It the same aurgument... Extra attribs extra skills better armor. it will ALL effect PvP. If you dont have all the chapters the chances of you being competitive in PvP is slim to none anyway. Buh bye now. <edited to tone down anger if you can believe that> |
This has been said before, you don't seem to understand the concept.
And really, you're the one whining about wanting special treatment, whereas the ones you're accusing simply want equality. You get the extra content you pay for, you don't get to be more powerful ingame just because you spent more money.
Exoudeous
Like I said Ingram, you are a complete ASS.
I don’t know where I said I wasn’t buying factions, because I am. But once again you made a dumb assumption. I’m talking about other people, because unlike you I can see things from other peoples point of view.
If some one is new to the game, and willing to buy them all if they actually liked the game, they might be turned off from the start since they have to buy more chapters just to be able to compete right off the bat. So right there you are scaring people off from buying all the chapters right away because they will be forced into buying them all instead of enjoying them at their own pace.
You have no argument here. I bet you also want them to raise the level cap? because that’s basically what you are asking. You don’t make any sense at all, you say you support the game, but now you are getting upset because anet isn’t giving you something extra. You are already getting new skills and armor, new places to adventure through, and new weapons to get. And you want them to on top of that add extra attrib points to upset the balance of the whole game just because you bought every game.
You are now one special, you are not a unique snowflake, and you should not be given better treatment then some one that is new to the game
I’m not even responding to the rest of what you said because It makes no sense at all. You made a dumb assumption that I’m not buying the rest of the games. All and all, you are being completely ignorant, So just stop already and save yourself from digging your hole deeper.
If you dont like it quit the game an go play WoW
I don’t know where I said I wasn’t buying factions, because I am. But once again you made a dumb assumption. I’m talking about other people, because unlike you I can see things from other peoples point of view.
If some one is new to the game, and willing to buy them all if they actually liked the game, they might be turned off from the start since they have to buy more chapters just to be able to compete right off the bat. So right there you are scaring people off from buying all the chapters right away because they will be forced into buying them all instead of enjoying them at their own pace.
You have no argument here. I bet you also want them to raise the level cap? because that’s basically what you are asking. You don’t make any sense at all, you say you support the game, but now you are getting upset because anet isn’t giving you something extra. You are already getting new skills and armor, new places to adventure through, and new weapons to get. And you want them to on top of that add extra attrib points to upset the balance of the whole game just because you bought every game.
You are now one special, you are not a unique snowflake, and you should not be given better treatment then some one that is new to the game
I’m not even responding to the rest of what you said because It makes no sense at all. You made a dumb assumption that I’m not buying the rest of the games. All and all, you are being completely ignorant, So just stop already and save yourself from digging your hole deeper.
If you dont like it quit the game an go play WoW
Arcanis the Omnipotent
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Like I said Ingram, you are a complete ASS.
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Hmm, tis true. Takes an asshole to know one. If you hadnt noticed on the previous page dipshit, I agreed I was wrong and walked out on the conversation when you just had to speak your little pisshole opinion.
You also just said the stupidest argument ever said on this forum
"If you dont like it, quit GW and go elsewhere"
Loser..
I mean jebus, do you even look at your posts and see what kind of jackass you make yourself out to be?.
*walks back out again*
Exoudeous
umm... what?
So explaining why something wouldnt work, and then be called a bum and an idiot, makes me an ass? what crazy world do you live in.
and do you not find it ironic the way you just responded to me, and you still have the gall to say im acting like an ass?
I wasnt even being mean to you, I was just stating something, and once again you are showing you are being a little kid about this. Congrats on digging your own hole deeper.
So explaining why something wouldnt work, and then be called a bum and an idiot, makes me an ass? what crazy world do you live in.
and do you not find it ironic the way you just responded to me, and you still have the gall to say im acting like an ass?
I wasnt even being mean to you, I was just stating something, and once again you are showing you are being a little kid about this. Congrats on digging your own hole deeper.
Andy_M
Thing is, it would not unbalance PvE at all, but y'know got these shackles on us all the time...
It's amazing how a simple suggestion has got a lot of people up in arms. Didn't expect all the name calling though.
It's amazing how a simple suggestion has got a lot of people up in arms. Didn't expect all the name calling though.
=HT=Ingram
And For the record by the time Anet makes chapter 3 or 4 I would image a deal to get all previous chapters in one package... And for that matter chapter two has ALREADY dropped the retail price of chapter 1. so there is no reason to believe that later chapters will not do the same.
I plan to support the game. All I am saying is I was getting tired of people expecting to be equal when they did not invest in the entire game to get that privilege. You people never did get it and never will. But when you all start complaining about it as I know you will I will vain no mercy. If that makes me an elitist. So be it. I believe in purchasing and supporting a game that I enjoy and expect to become a new standard for the industry, not sit by and be a freeloader. And with Anet you definitely get a lot for your dollar.
Whatever. I'm tired of the whole thing. do whatever blows your skirt up...
I'm purging my remarks so as not to offend you precious bruised egos...
I plan to support the game. All I am saying is I was getting tired of people expecting to be equal when they did not invest in the entire game to get that privilege. You people never did get it and never will. But when you all start complaining about it as I know you will I will vain no mercy. If that makes me an elitist. So be it. I believe in purchasing and supporting a game that I enjoy and expect to become a new standard for the industry, not sit by and be a freeloader. And with Anet you definitely get a lot for your dollar.
Whatever. I'm tired of the whole thing. do whatever blows your skirt up...
I'm purging my remarks so as not to offend you precious bruised egos...