PvP unplayable?

Well, after the destruction of common-man IWAY, good PvP pugs of all kinds have simply died out. Rank 3+ groups have turned into Anti-IWAY, as the old Rank 3+ players can no longer join IWAY (it is all rank 6-9+), they decided to try and counter it. Obviously they will be getting nowhere near where those rank 6-9+ groups will be.

Whats worse is, most of those Rank 3+ groups don't even use Vent or TS. How can they even expect to beat the Unworthy Dead in a balance build without it?

I'm Rank 5, it is impossible to find any groups. They are all Rank 6-9+. You can't get into a PvP guild unless you are ranked, pretty much, so how do they expect people to get into one if it requires a decent guild to get rank? -.-

Another thing about these stupid Rank 3+ groups, they all bring Spitful Spirit and wards. You just cashed in way too late! IWAY is dead, and the ones that do exist are too good for your tacky little build to beat.

I can't wait for Factions so that I wouln't be able to get a group.

Please don't assume that HA is the extent of PvP. It is but one fairly dissapointing and lame part. Horribly low level of competition, gimmick builds, terrible maps.

Rank 5? You probably have enough experience to join a fairly decent PvP guild and experience the wonders of GvG.

He is in a good GvG guild...UN, they were in the world championship...

Secondly, I didn't start trying PvP until recently, and as such, I'm in the same boat...
I want Factions to come out for a new PvP tournament, or something, where I can start on time.

I am in a PvP guild, they are pretty good, when they do PvP.. They are nicer people than you will usually find in PvP, but they are at a PvE farming stage, kind of.

No, I am not in UN anymore, that is my friend's guild of 2 people now. Why does everyone have to target that guild and make fun of it?

Well, I'm in an EoE bomb full of rank 2 13 year old kids from Bulgaria or something, but atleast they are using Ventrillo XD

They were?

iQ + Te for America
LuM + Val for Europe
EvIL + WM for Korea

I don't see UN in there...

By anti-IWAY you mean they bring skills that allow them to not get totally pwned by IWAY?


Lol. I don't see why you shouldn't get better at playing against IWAY each time you play. Its not like the build evolves or changes strategy.

Wow, you are joining some bad bad r3+ PuGs. When play with a r3+ PuG I just leave if they aren't using vent or Ts. Seriously there are lots of groups that do use voice comms.

At rank 5 you know nobody who will take you in their teams? Have you really got NO contacts for that experience?

Wards are nice even against non-IWAY as a lot teams run 1 or 2 warriors. Having a ward vs foes is useful. IWAY isn't dead and no matter how leet the r9++++ IWAY teams are they can be, and are, beaten by teams that know what they are doing and are adequately prepared.

eh?

I think there should be separated arenas where you can get fame by defeating other groups. These arenas don't have hall of heroes but everything else is there. Maybe gaining fame should be a bit harder to get in these arenas than in Hero's Ascent.

Rank 0-2 arenas: you can't enter with rank 3+
Rank 3-5 arenas: you can't enter with rank 6+
Rank 6-8 arenas: you can't enter with rank 9+
Rank 9+ arenas: you can't enter with rank 9-

And for example rank 0 player can't enter to higher rank arenas, etc.

These would be additional arenas to PvP islands to gain fame. Everything else would be there just like now.

Another option would be that they simply add 8 players team arena but I guess some veterans would come there too with private parties and start to own newbies again and again.

Anet probably has noticed the current situation and I bet there will be alternative fame sources for low rank players. Otherwise the gap between PvP newcomers and veterans remains too large and some will quit because they are bored to death to "newbies vs veterans" battles. It should be "newbies vs newbies" and "veterans vs veterans"

It gets old standing around making a federal issue out of getting into a team. Spending an hour bartering with people just really isn't fun.

They all run the same build 2 E-surge mesmers, two Shock warriors, 1 warder, 1 SS necro, 1 WoH monk, 1 prot monk (active or boon), and 1 infuse monk. They are trying to counter

Uh, how does the various ammounts of counter IWAYs comming out now that IWAY is less played make me worse at fighting IWAY?

I don't join them, but they are everywhere. There are lots of groups with comms, but many groups without it.

No, I have no contacts that either still play PvP or are any good at it. That aren't in my guild, atleast.

Unfortunately, the rank 3+ groups don't know what they are doing.

This post is case in point why Fame = not a good rep of skill. it dont take long to make a build to farm the newbs in arenas which = the noobs that iwayed to r6+. same diff

when i get into a group, it's usually because they contacted me...it goes like this:

YANMAN YANMAN YANMAN COME PLAY WE NEED BLOOD SPIKER

then i respond: yeah hold on, i'm farming titans atm.
*joins the vent*¨
*makes build*
*plays*


now did I ever say LFG ?
nope, because i have a friends list full of pvp'ers, and i'm sure i'm on many other lists, because i have to keep asking: who are you? ( bad memory ftl )

damn 9 person fotms :s

Please reword that so its more clear what you are trying to say.

So whats the problem? duh some people are too lazy to go on vent. Thats not Anets fault.

If nobody ever asks you to pvp with them then maybe thats a comment on how much you contribute to the team when you do play.

Some do, some don't. Pure PuGs almost always suck. If nobody from the group knows anyone else then the chances of the group being cohesive is low.

Not to mention at the lower end of the GWWC it was more a battle of who could get passports...

However, I really don't think we need another thread about IWAY.

I dont think this thread was about IWAY so much as the constant problem in PVP. The one where if you dont have a certain rank, you can't even get into groups to get the Rank.

Its like the old problem of:
I need a job to get a car.
I need a car to get to my job.

This is not a thread about IWAY at all. People assume that any thread about Rank is about IWAY. My 'beef' is with these terrible rank 3+ groups that attempt to counter IWAY, even though you wouln't find that very often in the lower areas of HA now. Also, with the groups that are still rank restricted.

Infact, the problem with HA is now 0% IWAY, 20% idiots, 80% Rank restricted groups.

Atleast that can be solved by having parents/relatives or friends drop you off. Too bad you aren't born into to knowing a bunch of people on GW

I'm rank 2 and I have no problems finding a decent group that sticks together for a couple of hours, or even makes it to the Hall. Honestly if you really have a problem getting into groups, download a TS server and form your own. That's what I do if it looks like groups are slim. I've learned that some things take a bit of effort, and that the perfect group just doesn't fly-in invite you and then you go off and hold HoH 8 times in a row on your first try.

The 3 Monk, 2 E-Surger, 1 Warrior and utility build is versatile-it can stand up to any build, not just IWAY. I've witnessed plenty of R3+ groups run it effectively.

Funny. Rank 5 complaining about groups. I'll give the same advice all those r6+ iwayers said "make your own groups".

How is there still an issue?

I am rank 2, recently up from a rank 1. Now, i will not waste time being modest :P, i shall simply say i am a good PvP player. I can see that compared to others, i am but small fry, but i beleive that i am far better than the majority, and whats more i think that i am better than a fair few emote spammers. Now, i am predominately a GvG player, so HoH mechanics are fairly new to me, but my skill is carried over, yet my proof is not. i cant get into ANY teams, and even if i could i hear that the real n00b cut-off point is now rank 6. I can see why ppl insist on rank as filter, but in my case it simply stops me from playing.

In the end i am in a catch-22 situacion. I need fame in order to show that i am not a idiot who will mess a teams chances, but i cant gain fame in my current position. my argument does not say that Rank shows nothing, it clearly does, i am simply saying that there are victims to this system, and they are more numerous than myself.

I am inclined to beleive that rank 3s may have gotten there fame from repeated IWAY runs. I personally have been doing HoH seriously for about 2 weeks, and have only been in about 5 teams. I have never done anything other than a balanced build with guild members, and i would refuse to battle with a PUG team that didnt have some team talk software such as vent or TS. Some rank 3 teams dont bother with it, which frankly is criminal.

My most recent hall run was with a couple of m8s, i was invited by a old guild member. Most of the players with me were rank 6, and i was rank 1, i kept quite, obviously. I was a Active Prot monk, charged with condition removal and prot spirit placement. My rank only became apparent on our 8th victory when i ranked up.

To an extent i feel that rank is becoming more and more worthless. it really only shows experience, which is useful on its own, but isnt neccasarily an indiaction of skill. In a prot role, i must admit, my experience wasnt really tested, but rather my skill in a pvp environment, skills i have learnt in gvg. As a result i think i was a asset to my team, rather than a hinderence (ignoring the time i was on autopilot, and healed the Ghostly hero by accident....no dmg done....)

I can only compare myself with rank 6 IWAY players in HoH and i cant help thinking that they are the ones that should be in my position, not me. I should be the one with rank 6 and getting into teams, not the fools who cant play a original build, and more over cant tell when it is nerfed.

basicallt this is a long winded way of saying to Sagius Truthbarron, 'You think you got it bad?'

I am sure that there are others in my position as i am sure that M for mending actually stands for 'n00b tank'. The only way i ever get to do HoH is if a friend who has played with me in GvG is kind enough to persuade his grp that the size of my rank is unimportant, but rather what i do with it.

So, one small request, if you ever see Jinx pleading for a team in HoH, thro me a dam line

Oh, and Jiggy, if my maths is correct holding the halls 8 times in a row would boost you to rank 3. Generally the teams that dont bother with rank dont bother with TS in my xp, and teams without TS or similar suck so hard its not even funny. In addition, you hav to be lucky with a PUG. Like i said, rank is a indication of experience, and a team of unexperienced players, like myself, will lose. When i fought i had a vague idea of what was going on, i had researched HoH before hand, but for much of the battle i simply took orders and followed the leader. As i get more xp this will change i am sure. Honestly tho, i wouldnt have more than 1 player as unexperienced as me in a team, never mind there skill. I am just lucky that the one experienced player was me

Do you do HA at all? The most all existing R3+ teams play it. The others do IWAY (rarely) and sometimes EoE bomb (very rare to find one that can kill the unworth). Nice picking the bones of miss-spellings, true conversational skill.

You were saying that my statement that 'now that IWAY is dying out, for some reason, those people who ran IWAY before are now switching to running counter-IWAY builds' as somehow meaning that I can't beat IWAY. I'de say that's about as incoherent as what you were quoting.

Well, they should stop playing in HA, becuase you pretty much always need comms (with the exception of IWAY).

Nobody ever asks me to PvP becuase they stopped playing. I quit PvP for quite a while becuase the only groups available for 6 months were IWAY. I'm sure all those contacts that you established over the months were fascinated with your ability to setup spirits (nice avatar )

I wouldn't say that. I've been in rank 6+ guild groups that got 1 fame (or less) per hour. Pretty much the only people who I played with regularly untill I was tired of how terrible they were. Of course, I've been in other groups that were formed for the first time and gotten to or won halls. Obviously unfamiliarity isn't a problem.


And for all of you saying 'I'm rank 2 and have no problem getting groups', you are either:
A. getting into groups that don't rank check, even though they are ranked groups (I know, fun to lie to get into groups, huh?)
B. You really aren't finding groups, otherwise you wouldn't be rank 2.

1)go to Start/Settings/Control Panel
2)double click "Add or remove programs"
3)Uninstall Guild Wars
4)Throw your install disk in the trash.

or....

Slap yourself for whining and complaining after you've made it to rank 5 and haven't made any PvP friends yet.

I'm rank 2 and pretty much gave up on PvP because of rank issues. So since your complaining about rank 5 then maybe you would be so kind as to give me your Guild Wars account since you don't like it. Then you can proceed with steps 1-4 listed above.

Shockingly, yes I do HA. Thats why I give my opinion in these threads rather than those debating GvG tactics. I think you are suffering from PuG overdose. Find those players who you thought were good, and PM them to make a team, if none of them take the initiative.

Hmm. You want to ban the most casual players from HA. :s I'm not sure that would go down well, simply because people like being able to play Pick Up Group builds like IWAY which take no time to form and can still have some success.


GG being an idiot.
Lets just take a quick at that before we move on. I have Oath Shot as my avatar, therefore all i can do is set up spirits with Oath Shot. I sense a logic gap there somewhere...

Lol. Yeah *they* were undoubtedly the problem

I said nothing about that. It is just simply pointless to make or join a group that requires voice communication and either refuse to get into the ventrillo/teamspeak server, or put no thought into finding one at all.

If they really want to be in a group that doesn't require comms, they should join one.




Let's be pointlessly rude about every single thing, simply becuase we disagree on points about a rating system on a game.

I'm sure that if you are ranked, you probably did so through FOTM (most likely Spirit Spam) or countering them (IWAY).



Yeah, the Energy Surge 8 trapper build was such a great idea, such a shame I screwed that build up.

Omg, I'm rage-quitting on this thread -.-

Ok, enjoy your Sigils, Nature's Renewal boy.

Flamewar for the lose.