I don't see why the "invinci-monk" soloing build should have runes that reduce the monk's health to 55 hp. Say you have 400 hp for instance, each hit will do up to 40 damage, which means 10 hits will kill you. When you have 55 hp, 11 hits will kill you. There is such a small difference, and it's nice to have a larger health pool in an accident.
So why go 55 hp?
55 Monk questions (come here to ask)
Pyro Master
Dj Tano
Lets say you use Orison of Healing wich gives +40hp.
If you get hit with 400hp 5 times you will go down to 200hp and if you use Orison of Healing you will have 240hp meaning you can get killed in another 6 hits.
If you get hit with 55hp 5 times you will go down to around 30hp and if you use Orison of Healing you will have 55hp meaning you can get killed in another 11 hits.
Was this explanation enough?
If you get hit with 400hp 5 times you will go down to 200hp and if you use Orison of Healing you will have 240hp meaning you can get killed in another 6 hits.
If you get hit with 55hp 5 times you will go down to around 30hp and if you use Orison of Healing you will have 55hp meaning you can get killed in another 11 hits.
Was this explanation enough?
sno
The idea is that with positive hp regen (mending and healing breeze) you're healed more than the damage you take, so you always have full hp 
(don't listen to tano... that's incorrect
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(don't listen to tano... that's incorrect
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Markaedw
The 55 build also uses mending and healing breeze, which means the 5 points of damage can be overcome by the healing skills. The down side is that you have to be really careful, let protective go or get hit by a life stealing or other damge ignoring attack and you are dead.
I still prefer my high armor warrior ove my 55 necro for soloing,
I still prefer my high armor warrior ove my 55 necro for soloing,
Pyro Master
I get it now. It's for healing spells.
Thanks for the help!
Thanks for the help!
BogusDude
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Tons of people try to sell these. you can find them from 2-10k, depending on where you shop and who you find, or you can simply create a new player and do the quest 
shouldn't take too long.
Alternatively, if you have a free slot you can always create a new char and get one yourself, and get the -20 item from the Poor Tenant 'Beehive' quest in pre-searing while your there. Some people actually do this as a farm. If you can get a guildie/friend to help you run the one near Ranik, then the Ranik mission, then u'll have to do the Surmia mission properly, then the last one is a short run from Nolani Academy. Make a warrior to do it and you get the Sprint quest just outside Ascalon. With a runner you should have it all done in 2 hours, do it alone and it could take you upto 3 to 4 hours ( probably worth doing the second quest you get with Sprint too).
Alternatively find a guildie who still has the quest open, or volunteer your services in Ranik to help someone in exchange for the quest item.
shouldn't take too long.
Alternatively, if you have a free slot you can always create a new char and get one yourself, and get the -20 item from the Poor Tenant 'Beehive' quest in pre-searing while your there. Some people actually do this as a farm. If you can get a guildie/friend to help you run the one near Ranik, then the Ranik mission, then u'll have to do the Surmia mission properly, then the last one is a short run from Nolani Academy. Make a warrior to do it and you get the Sprint quest just outside Ascalon. With a runner you should have it all done in 2 hours, do it alone and it could take you upto 3 to 4 hours ( probably worth doing the second quest you get with Sprint too). Alternatively find a guildie who still has the quest open, or volunteer your services in Ranik to help someone in exchange for the quest item.
Tsunami Rain
I wouldn't reccomend using the -20 from poor tenant. I would say go for a more expensive -20 health ankh (a req 8 or 9) with better mods.
Miss Filth
Id just like to ask any1 if they've realise that the rod from the collector inside droks is a hell of a lot better than the FFS for 2 reasons
1. its 20%
2. u can do dmg while ur w8ing for SoJ to recharge with ur normal atks rather than do absolutely naff dmg with FFS
1. its 20%
2. u can do dmg while ur w8ing for SoJ to recharge with ur normal atks rather than do absolutely naff dmg with FFS
The Fenixxor
FFS gives you a 20% enchanting mod, and in a duo UW game it deals MUCH more damage than any rod.
sno
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FFS gives you a 20% enchanting mod, and in a duo UW game it deals MUCH more damage than any rod.
Um... Unless you're talking about Mark of Pain, you shouldn't be doing any damage with FFS. Since the AoE nerf, Mark of Pain has been deemed useless, as it scatters aggro which can get the necro killed.
.killjoy
Yea AoE nerf hurt alot! of farmers, I hate it when 55's bring Zealots fire.
Xaragon
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Yea AoE nerf hurt alot! of farmers, I hate it when 55's bring Zealots fire.
Zealots fire is still good, just dont spam it.
B Ephekt
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Zealots fire is still good, just dont spam it.
I think he's talking about PUG monks who bring Zealot's, spam with it up, and cause the necro the annoyance of having to run away, slowing down the smite run.
I usually tell them to stop once, and if they do it again I leave. I've also had some solo monks partner with me to split entrance, then go off to solo, sometimes trying their hardest to get me killed. I don't waste my time anymore, if they use zealot's after I ask them not to I leave. Simply because they're either idiots who don't understand why enemies are scattering, or they want to solo... not worth my time.
I usually tell them to stop once, and if they do it again I leave. I've also had some solo monks partner with me to split entrance, then go off to solo, sometimes trying their hardest to get me killed. I don't waste my time anymore, if they use zealot's after I ask them not to I leave. Simply because they're either idiots who don't understand why enemies are scattering, or they want to solo... not worth my time.
The Fenixxor
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Um... Unless you're talking about Mark of Pain, you shouldn't be doing any damage with FFS. Since the AoE nerf, Mark of Pain has been deemed useless, as it scatters aggro which can get the necro killed.
No, i'm talking about attacking an aatxe causing it to use Reposte and Deadly resposte more often, in turn triggering SS more often, which deals more damage.
Its seems to be a little known thing but whatever.
Its seems to be a little known thing but whatever.
.killjoy
Well if you have a good necro hey may have sv on you while you are doing aaxte and squids to lower there adreline recharge
The Fenixxor
My necro never uses SV (apart from against smites ofc), he knows i can handle them without it - and knows it slows things down.
bleh
Im planning to make a monk when factions comes out adn it will eventually be turned into a solo monk
My question is can any one see any merit in being a mo/a for 55 hp monking?
there are some good heals and possibly shadow walking could be helpfull but e management under assasin really call for you to be assasin primary.
the reason i ask is because i am rather lazy and not very fond of the desert.
Edit:here is a good spell but hmm i don't see it replacing spell breaker
Shadow Form Elite Enchantment Spell. For 5...17 seconds, all hostile Spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss. When Shadow form ends, lose all but 5...41 Health. 5 energy 1 cast time 60 recharge
oh and..
Shroud of Distress Enchantment Spell. for 30 seconds, if you are below 50% Health, you have a 15...63% chance to evade attacks.
My question is can any one see any merit in being a mo/a for 55 hp monking?
there are some good heals and possibly shadow walking could be helpfull but e management under assasin really call for you to be assasin primary.
the reason i ask is because i am rather lazy and not very fond of the desert.
Edit:here is a good spell but hmm i don't see it replacing spell breaker
Shadow Form Elite Enchantment Spell. For 5...17 seconds, all hostile Spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss. When Shadow form ends, lose all but 5...41 Health. 5 energy 1 cast time 60 recharge
oh and..
Shroud of Distress Enchantment Spell. for 30 seconds, if you are below 50% Health, you have a 15...63% chance to evade attacks.
.killjoy
Yea there will be some help with being a 55 mo/*a prob. I'm not sure haven't really looked at the *A skills.
Tsunami Rain
i would think Monk/Ritualist could be fairly promising.
.killjoy
Yea lets hope but bad energy management unless you use some of the other rit. skills which I havent fulled with, and Not sure if 55 mo/*rit would be too great.
Tsunami Rain
ritualist for filler skills (not sure if i would use it for energy management as it seems ritualist skills take a while to cast). I would still stick with blessed sig for a filler energy management skill.
gameshoes3003
Hey uuum, I'm not understanding why 55 monks are so good. Sure they can use protective spirit and then they almost won't die if they heal. But in the Random Arenas, I killed one with poison and distracting shot. Also an elementalist can use crystal wave and the monk is doomed (but very unlikely to meet one of those eles). Then there's always the faithful mesmer who piss me off too. So if the monk can be beat by being degened and being hit by crystal wave and be killed by mesmers, what's the point?
.killjoy
55's-pve based for farming uw....
Poisen doesn't always rape 55's such as in Wizards folly by Port sledge I always get poisened or disrupted on SoJ but kinda hard to interrupt breeze or ps. And if you are in pvp you should maybe bring Mesmer stance.. or balanced stance.
Oh yea I can own Iway zasihen at Zasihen challenge with some easy timing all monk skills.
Poisen doesn't always rape 55's such as in Wizards folly by Port sledge I always get poisened or disrupted on SoJ but kinda hard to interrupt breeze or ps. And if you are in pvp you should maybe bring Mesmer stance.. or balanced stance.
Oh yea I can own Iway zasihen at Zasihen challenge with some easy timing all monk skills.
gameshoes3003
Yeah, i understand that it's pretty good against the monsters, but some people bring it too the arenas though. I also had a 55 monk at abbadon's mouth at the ring of fire, she was not very good. She didn't live. We had to fight with the other monk till it was clear, then we ress sigged her. Luckily she died only twice giving her a 30% penalty at most which probably went down.
Tsunami Rain
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Yeah, i understand that it's pretty good against the monsters, but some people bring it too the arenas though. I also had a 55 monk at abbadon's mouth at the ring of fire, she was not very good. She didn't live. We had to fight with the other monk till it was clear, then we ress sigged her. Luckily she died only twice giving her a 30% penalty at most which probably went down.
55 monking is made for pve and anyone who uses it for pvp probably isn't thinking straight. As for using the 55 for pve, not ALL area's can be farmed with a 55 monk. Especially those areas rich in mesmer/necro monsters that can strip-enchant or use rend-enchant in which case you can only use spell breaker meaning you will lose the ability to use SoJ.
.killjoy
If a 55 monk is infused they can hold around 8 jades so I've tested but I always get spiked by the jade bows if I am not careful.
gameshoes3003
that is true, very very true. But I still don't exactly have best favor for them. But thanks anyway for giving me a deeper look into them.
.killjoy
I don't like many 55's myself most of them are farming noobs anyways but what can you do everyone wants easy money.
rangersaurus
I have a monk that actually has most of the skills people have been talking about, so I thought I might try this out (just need some money for the runes...booo). I was wondering what some good places to farm were. I can do grenth's and sorrows with 4-5 npcs and i usually get a green or two out of each run, but if i could solo it that would rock. Is it possible to solo underworld too(and btw is underworld now considered the place you go by entering the portal at tombs?... it has been a while since i played and i totally missed what is going on with that). Lastly, can this same technique of 55 hp and protective spirit be used on a necro?
Any pointers are appreciated. Thanks.
Any pointers are appreciated. Thanks.
sno
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Lastly, can this same technique of 55 hp and protective spirit be used on a necro?
Yes, there are several "invinci-necro" threads in the necro section of the campfire.
rangersaurus
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The most efficient farming in the Underworld is with 2man groups, with a 55hp tank (mo/w) and a spiteful spirit necro (n/me)
no, the one in tombs is generally refered to as "TOPK" or "Tomb of the Primeval Kings", people called it "new uw" for a little while, but it's not, and it's rarely called that now. Yes, there are several "invinci-necro" threads in the necro section of the campfire. Ok, well I don't really have anyone I can farm with atm (other than npc), so where are some places that I can solo. Like I said I like to run grenth's and sorrows. Is that doabe? Any other good places? .killjoy
Well everyone should be warned with many farming spots nerfed.. soon to be uw I can feel it along with 55's and protective spirit is due for a nerf. All 55's protest these new patches!! Everyone protest these new patches once Factions is out they will just ditch reg. gw in 1 month and everything well be messed up..
Just my two cents of rambling. rangersaurus- Nope wont be able to solo grenths to many hexes /necro skills out there that will rape you, almost every 55 farms meele monsters not hex ones. unless your leet with sb and I know thats impossible to have sb up always.Trolls, minotaurs, tundra giants,ettins pretty much any meele monster and I've done jade farming before you must be (infused) .
novawhiz
Hey Whats the best solo UW build?
~ I try the mo/wa one with sprint but i takes me 4ever to kill things.(usually 10 min a group withh aatxes)
sno
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Hey Whats the best solo UW build?
~ I try the mo/wa one with sprint but i takes me 4ever to kill things.(usually 10 min a group withh aatxes) If you truly want to SOLO, do it in FoW. Solo UW takes way too long with any build to be worth it. fow can be done quickly with an n/mo, although it's very difficult. 2man UW is the only efficient UW farm that I'm aware of. Porphyre
Who created the 55monk build?
Tsunami Rain
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Originally Posted by novawhiz
Hey Whats the best solo UW build?
~ I try the mo/wa one with sprint but i takes me 4ever to kill things.(usually 10 min a group withh aatxes) Imo: n/mo or mo/n it can also be done with a warrior but I've never tried that out before (nor the necro build). Basicly the mo/n uses SS and takes a long time since it has to deal with the nightmare's rend. As for who created the 55...a very smart person
.killjoy
I created it! lol.
mo/w ususally the *warrior secondary for warrior skill used is bonneties.. not sprint really not use.
T1Cybernetic
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Imo: n/mo or mo/n it can also be done with a warrior but I've never tried that out before (nor the necro build).
Basicly the mo/n uses SS and takes a long time since it has to deal with the nightmare's rend. As for who created the 55...a very smart person
I've been a mo/w soj /bonettis 55 for a while and recently tried mo/n with Ssbut after the recent updates it's pretty annoying to even get a Ss cast off let alone do uw efficiently with any class now solo. I have 2 necros and 2 55's on american and euro (Im uk based) and do regular 2 man runs but Omg! i may not be the best 55 or ss in the world but im far from being a "google" build finder, if anyone has a 55 and needs a partner then justgimme a shout in game, i so need some experience right now. Ign/s to the left... rangersaurus
Will Amnoon armor work? I have the runes, just need to make sure i used the right armor
T1Cybernetic
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Will Amnoon armor work? I have the runes, just need to make sure i used the right armor
Yes it will work fine, Personaly i use lions arch tattoos for my 55's!
just because it was cheap and after remaking all 7 of my characters i didnt want to spend a small fortune on 8 & 15k armours again,  .Any armour will work as a 55! but the more energy you have the better really, armour level isnt a factor because protective spirit is your defence. People choose tats because it has slightly more energy and that is pretty much the only reason why, i like the look/s and the energy though, .Remember though, if you use your monk for regular heal /protect gaming make sure you have a proper spare set of non 55 armour, or people will flip if you go into battle with them as a 55hp monk, ...
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