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Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

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22 Mar 2006 at 17:58 - 1

Bummer...Looks like Vista will not be out until the first quarter of 2007.

Mainly due to Microsoft making sure the security is set. Well we can thank all the hackers over the years for that...

EDIT: I should add this really doesn't bother me all that much...it means I have more time now before I buy a new computer. I would rahter wait until later 2007 anyways so they can get out a Service Pack for any bugs...hehehe. But I am looking forward to a new Operating System. From what I understand is you will need a whole new animal of video cards to get High-Def out of Vista. Other more Geeky people can explain that better then I.

EternalTempest

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Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

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22 Mar 2006 at 18:18 - 2

I saw that

Nov for Corp Volume License (who are usually NOT the 1st to adapt to a new product) Jan for public.

Do agree. To get HD out of Vista you have to have a video card that supports HDCP (high def copy protection) then hook it up to a moniter that also supports HDCP. Cards just NOW are coming with this feature.

Ati made a blunder and stated several cards (as selling points) had HDCP enable but the reality was they were missing a crypto chip that had to be on the card (no firmware hacks) aka it didn't work. Example: You have a video card with a TV turner card but no ports on it and it was sold has having a TV Turner.

Old Dood

Middle-Age-Man

Join Date: May 2005

Lansing, Mi

W/Mo

22 Mar 2006 at 18:23 - 3

So my Nice cool UltraSharp Dell monitor(2001FP 20.1") is NOT able to do the HDCP? THAT will really irritate me greatly. I can understand the Video Card...I was expecting to purchase a new one with my next system anyways...but ANOTHER monitor....*sigh*

EternalTempest

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22 Mar 2006 at 18:29 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dood

So my Nice cool UltraSharp Dell monitor(2001FP 20.1") is NOT able to do the HDCP? THAT will really irritate me greatly. I can understand the Video Card...I was expecting to purchase a new one with my next system anyways...but ANOTHER monitor....*sigh*

Check the specs on the mointer. This HDCP is going to be used with digital cabel (or Blue-Ray / HD-DVD players) a lot and I have an HDTV w/o HDCP. A lot of tv's and moniter are going to have this issue.

How it works if you are playing HD content, both Blue-Ray, HD-DVD, future digital cable will check to so if you have HDCP working correctly.

If it detect's it doesn't the content owner can choose (when it's created)

A) Doesn't Play
B) Plays at lower quality
C) Plays normal

Oh DVI cables (big thick ones can't support HDCP), only HDMI cables (look similiar to USB can support it).

koneko

Site Contributor

Join Date: Sep 2005

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Mo/Me

22 Mar 2006 at 18:35 - 5

/waits for new MacBook Pro

More about HDCP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/..._hdcp_support/

I stopped caring about "high defintion" and all that newfangled stuff. I'm more than perfectly content with the computer (and video card and LCD - both of which will not be playing Blu-Ray/HD-DVD content).

EternalTempest

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22 Mar 2006 at 18:42 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by koneko

/waits for new MacBook Pro

More about HDCP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/..._hdcp_support/

I stopped caring about "high defintion" and all that newfangled stuff. I'm more than perfectly content with the computer (and video card and LCD - both of which will not be playing Blu-Ray/HD-DVD content).

I sticking with DVD until they may be a clear winner or the Anime (Adv, Bandai, Funmation, etc) companies choose a format.. (I don't see them splintering)

Teklord

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Lloyd.ab.ca

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22 Mar 2006 at 18:48 - 7

I'll be sticking with DVD simply because I doubt my 1 year old HDTV supports this HDCP crap. As for my computers, I don't watch Movies or TV on them anyway so that won't be an issue.

This HDCP stuff reminds me of the Trusted Computing thing with the Fritz Chip thing.

Oh well, no matter what they do there will always be someone somewhere that will find a way around it.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

22 Mar 2006 at 18:49 - 8

neither my monitor or video card support that junk so i will simply play whack a pengu to let off steam.

Dood hi

did you ever play the version with blood and landmines?

my best was 7 mines in a row

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

22 Mar 2006 at 18:52 - 9

neither my monitor or video card support that junk so i will simply play whack a pengu to let off steam.

Dood hi

did you ever play the version with blood and landmines?

my best was 7 mines in a row

http://kontraband.com/show/show.asp?...AT=games&NSFW=

EternalTempest

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22 Mar 2006 at 18:54 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teklord

I'll be sticking with DVD simply because I doubt my 1 year old HDTV supports this HDCP crap. As for my computers, I don't watch Movies or TV on them anyway so that won't be an issue.

This HDCP stuff reminds me of the Trusted Computing thing with the Fritz Chip thing.

Oh well, no matter what they do there will always be someone somewhere that will find a way around it.

Just as there black box that descramble Macrovision, there are ones (or there will be) that do this with HDCP. Only good news is the "lower quality" will usually be higher then progressive scan but not 1080i (hd current max).

Content owner's on the verge of having the population revolt on them with all this DRM / Copy protection the way there adding this junk to everything. They already created a full pirate generation that expect everything to be free.

Once HDCP goes in to affect and if they stop the signal due to one device not HDCP complaint, there going to get a lot of hate mail.

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

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22 Mar 2006 at 20:27 - 11

My first PC was a 4mb RAM, 486 SX 25Mhz with a 1mb tseng labs SVGA card. I upgraded it to an epic 105 MB hard disk.

With that, I had Windows 3.11, Doom (plus 50Mb worth of mods), Word for Windows 2.0, Paintshop Pro, plus things like Turbo C++ for my uni courses, and still had room to spare.

Fast forward to the future, you get to install bloatware crap that takes up 100 GB, needs more and more... and more and more... and some more resources, and pay hundreds of $$$ to do.... EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS! (ok not including games/graphics cards, that's another topic altogether)

Yay for monopolies.... sigh.

Sam Stormwind

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Join Date: Dec 2005

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22 Mar 2006 at 21:47 - 12

I just looked at sum videos of hd video cards and they blew my mind really close to real life. WHen vista and hd video cards come out i guess ill jsut buy a whole set from dell or sumthin with omitor graphics and video card all hd.

mathewthegreat

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

23 Mar 2006 at 01:20 - 13

Thing that concerns me greatly about this vista bullshit is temperatures its going to create...your graphics card is going to be constantly under load.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

23 Mar 2006 at 01:26 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewthegreat

Thing that concerns me greatly about this vista bullshit is temperatures its going to create...your graphics card is going to be constantly under load.

it will see what your system is reasonably capable of and downscale the graphics to match.

dont sweat it

koneko

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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Mo/Me

23 Mar 2006 at 01:43 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by EternalTempest

I sticking with DVD until they may be a clear winner or the Anime (Adv, Bandai, Funmation, etc) companies choose a format.. (I don't see them splintering)

I'd put my money on Blu-Ray.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenrath

My first PC was a 4mb RAM, 486 SX 25Mhz with a 1mb tseng labs SVGA card. I upgraded it to an epic 105 MB hard disk.

With that, I had Windows 3.11, Doom (plus 50Mb worth of mods), Word for Windows 2.0, Paintshop Pro, plus things like Turbo C++ for my uni courses, and still had room to spare.

Macintosh SE running System 6. Black and white screen, two floppy drives, an external 100MB hard disk and an external 1x NEC SCSI CD-ROM drive. Microsoft Word 4.0 or something, I don't recall (it's still in storage but is mostly functional). Tetris for amusement. A few years ago, the machine was (re)discovered in the basement and it gained ethernet capabilities along with System 7.5.1.

Wow, that brought back a lot of memories...

Viva la resistance

BellyFlop

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

23 Mar 2006 at 02:28 - 16

Quote:

Bummer...Looks like Vista will not be out until the first quarter of 2007.

Damn i was finally looking forward to a new View I mean Windows.

EternalTempest

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23 Mar 2006 at 17:10 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewthegreat

Thing that concerns me greatly about this vista bullshit is temperatures its going to create...your graphics card is going to be constantly under load.

I never thought of that... hmm Cards are going to be forced to step up there cooling.. and will consume more power.

j0j081

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Rockford, IL

FRAG

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23 Mar 2006 at 18:29 - 18

The graphics card isn't going to be under full load probably not even 1/3 load so I wouldn't worry about temps too much. The new interface is designed with high end cards in mind or at least high end by today's standards, not by 2007s. So if you card at that time can't keep up there will be a way to change the interface anyway.

EternalTempest

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23 Mar 2006 at 18:58 - 19

There cards and system know that will be running a bit hot that show the official "Windows Vista Ready Logo" on them, inculding some modern cards now.

Cottage Pie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Birmingham, England

Taking Aegis

Mo/Me

27 Mar 2006 at 00:00 - 20

Exactly how long do any of us spend looking at the windows GUI? when my PC is loaded up i'm either right into a game, Open Office or watching something off usenet...This windows Vista uber high rez sounds like bollocks, this really is the thin end of the consumer marketing wedge where we're not getting value for money anymore.

I want an OS that's 100% stable, efficient, secure and compatible, just 1% of those in trade for good looks is too much, imo...Vista sounds 1% efficient though...

mathewthegreat

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

27 Mar 2006 at 00:21 - 21

Id rather they just release it than put some new digital rights management in it

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

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27 Mar 2006 at 03:16 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewthegreat

Id rather they just release it than put some new digital rights management in it

The delay was because they couldn't Merge the MCE code into Vista like they originally planned. So now the code has to be reworked to integrate the two.

But remember, you don't HAVE to use the DRM junk. Personally, I will never use DRM anything anytime soon.

Seef II

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

US

R/Mo

27 Mar 2006 at 09:26 - 23

Damn, looks like I have to put off my Conroe upgrade till then.
oh well, prices will drop!

Tachyon

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27 Mar 2006 at 18:27 - 24

Then there's these little points about Vista!

A CHAP who managed to sneak a peek at the Vole's internal beta version 2 of Windows 53xx informed us that, even while idling, Vista eats as much as 800Mb of system memory.
Yeah, we were shocked too, but you have to believe the screenshot below.
Memory manufacturers couldn't be happier about that, as it will make people to go out and buy more memory. Our source reported that Vista runs ok with 1024Mb of system memory but no-doubt 2048Mb would be much better.
Vista won't install on FAT32 partitions, it only likes NTFS partitions. We also know that the system performs quite well on an Athlon 4000+ and a Geforce 7800 GTX 512 works just fine in the mix. Aero glass looks good, we liked it when we first clapped eyes on Beta 1 version.
Vista occupies roughly three times more space than Windows XP. In fact, it'll require up to a whopping seven gigabytes of drive space.

Have a butcher's:

RECENTLY we managed to spend some time using a Vista machine. The machine had Athlon 4000+ and 2 GB of memory with Geforce 7800 GTX card. We installed a game and we didn’t have anything else than Far Cry at the moment. We wanted to check how much memory you actually will need to play games on Vista. We know it is a beta, but it will at least give you a feeling what could you expect from the final one. We moved the community with our story where we said you need up to 800 MB memory just to run Vista. You can read it here and we have to say that we do know the difference between page file and the actual physical memory, but trust me you need 1GB memory just to work in Word or Paint using vista. People were claiming that the machine used 400MB of physical memory but it will work like a beaten horse with 512MB. It works slow even with 2GB.
Here is another cool shot for you. You can clearly see that you need more than 1GB of memory to run the game. Far Cry is not that an intensive game, and we ended up with 1.23 GB page file and you can see that we are running a single instance of Explorer and a task manager.

I have a fear of FEAR the game as it will eat significantly more than Far Cry. We FEAR that you might need even more than 2GB as FEAR of already wants 2GB memory under Windows XP. It works with 1GB as well but it works better with 2GB, and so does the Battlefield 2. We are sure that you will soon be able to buy 4GB gaming kits, at least by the end of the year when Vista gets closer.

Links to the articles!

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30128

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30503