have not played yet...but I have question: why solo builds?

ogami_ito

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

I have not played this game yet and I'm just trying to learn about it (I'm going to play in the factions event tomorrow).

I hear there is a popular solo build called the "55 Monk" build. Question: why do people create solo builds?

No...I'm not asking why people solo...I will probably do that alot because I don't always like to play with other people all the time. But why do you need a solo build in a game where you can have henchman for free?

So you can have a whole party tailor made for you, right? And although (I think I read this) when you have henchman you get less XP, you hit the level cap so early that this is not that much of an issue. So why build these "solo" builds? Just for the challenge?

Not saying solo is bad or good or anything...I'm just curious.

Ruvaen

Ruvaen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

CA

W/

Simply put, greed.

art_

art_

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mainly because people want to make as much money in the smallest amount of time. If you take henchies or other people your item drops are split with them. If you can 'farm' an area alone, it is often more profitable.

Also some people do it just for the challenge.

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

There are some people that feel that henchies are a pain to take, they do more agrro.

NoChance

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

it's because any time there are other characters in your party (be they humans or henchies), the drops will be divided among all the characters.
(if you play in the beta event with henchies, you'll notice often the monsters won't drop anything -- that's because those drops were assigned to the henchies) -- whereas if you solo, all drops are for you alone.

it's a big difference -- if you, say, farm with 8 people or henchies, you will essentially only get 1/8 the drops that you get from farming alone.

anyway, welcome to the game.. hope you have fun this weekend.

mint

mint

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

NYC

Quote:
Originally Posted by ogami_ito
Just for the challenge?
That would be one of the reasons...but the vast majority of people who solo do so in order to make money faster, since when you solo, all of a monster's "loot" is assigned to you

KANE OG

KANE OG

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ogmios Graybeards

W/

Why not?

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

More often than not, grouping is more of a pain. You'll get at least one person you can't stand who ruins the entire experience. Not to mention in the later parts of the game when making a full group of 8 that will actually stay for an hour long mission is near impossible. So you're reduced to henchmen, who can do the missions mind you, but it somewhat defeats the purpose of playing online.

So, you solo. Wealth, experience, quiet atmoshpere... the sense of god-like power.

ogami_ito

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
More often than not, grouping is more of a pain. You'll get at least one person you can't stand who ruins the entire experience. Not to mention in the later parts of the game when making a full group of 8 that will actually stay for an hour long mission is near impossible.
Uh...I come from playing WOW...where you need to get groups of five to come together for around 3 hours for an average "dungeon", and groups of 20-40 to come to gether for a raid. Actually the reason I'm interested in GW is because I don't want to wait more than 15 minutes to get into the playing.

96TSi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Fort Worth

Clowns of Wrath[CoW]

W/R

i have my solo 55monk for one real reason only... to play in the random arenas :-D


i get called a noob so much because the first necro or mesmer to get ahold of me kills me but its just funny to me. you do what you like

but most people do it for greed, as stated already

{IceFire}

{IceFire}

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruvaen
Simply put, greed.
no, to make money.


since when did wanting money=greed? they are NOT the same thing. greed is taking it to a different level.

Grimm

Grimm

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

Basically to exploit the game and make as much money as possible.

Yeah, like Ruvaen said, greed. Greed for virtual money that doesn't really buy anything, at that.

If you're new, don't worry about soloing, just play the game how it was designed: as a team game and have fun.

studentochaos

studentochaos

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Seeking atm

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ogami_ito
Uh...I come from playing WOW...where you need to get groups of five to come together for around 3 hours for an average "dungeon", and groups of 20-40 to come to gether for a raid. Actually the reason I'm interested in GW is because I don't want to wait more than 15 minutes to get into the playing.
You will get a better feel for how long it takes to get a team this weekend. It really depends on time of day and what mission. However, with henchmen you are alwyas ready to go in a second.

People solo for money or challenge. 99% for the money though.

Ninjutsu Honor Code

Ninjutsu Honor Code

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Holland

Sidon, Order of Assasins

R/W

I solo because its tough and fun and i solo with my ranger not some ragedy ass monk exploit, it gives you a sense of stealth and infiltration (riverside?) or soloing iron mines of moladune is a lot of fun too cept marcus and his jades XD. I found it great fun to explore things solo to sneaking past large groups unseen taking out smaller groups, like this i found rotscales castle or the shores north of beetletun they are quite a sight.

Raxxman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

TEOC

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
More often than not, grouping is more of a pain. You'll get at least one person you can't stand who ruins the entire experience. Not to mention in the later parts of the game when making a full group of 8 that will actually stay for an hour long mission is near impossible. So you're reduced to henchmen, who can do the missions mind you, but it somewhat defeats the purpose of playing online.

So, you solo. Wealth, experience, quiet atmoshpere... the sense of god-like power.

I agree with this.

Soloing gives a nice sense of achievement when you clear an area for the first time by yourself.

Hell it passes time while you're waiting for your guildies to WAKE UP.

lazy yanks

S_Serpent

S_Serpent

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

When not at Aziure's Wizard Tower you can find my in Belgium

Knigths of the Keyboard Order - KkO

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raxxman
Soloing gives a nice sense of achievement when you clear an area for the first time by yourself.
Yes, its a thrill

I still remember my succesfull solo elementalist build. Then you must think back on the moment you just started Guild Wars. Makes you really feel godly

And also because people said elementalists couldn't solo or run ... (whatever). I just proved otherwise (every profession has its pros and cons trust me). Ok a droks run isn't possible for my ele yet, but won't keep me from trying

The same when I soloed the new queen in the desert, did it once just for the thrill, and when it happened I was so content with my achievement (and I add, she had no green for me, but could care less, never even bothered to farm here later wiht other or solo).

Tarkin

Tarkin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/N

Challenge...

I solo with a ele/mes or ele/necro or ele/monk (non 55hp)... just by fun...
If i can take money or skill points while i solo better to me i think...

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

And it is a lot more fun than spending 3+ hours standing around trying to get in a group!

Moa Bird Cultist

Moa Bird Cultist

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Hastings (UK) / Latham (USA)

Freedom Fanatical Scots [FFS]

E/W

I solo an ele/warrior, for the sake of making her look as pretty as possible All money I make gets reinvested in looking beautiful. Thats not greed, thats vanity

Mtank325

Mtank325

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Crimson Blood Dragons [CBD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruvaen
Simply put, greed.
Not necessarily. The pursuit of money is too ambigious to consider under the classification of greed. I'd say if people were merely selling/buying on eBay that's more qualifying as greed. It seems more like a simple business practice. I have a 55hp monk; I invested at least 50k to purchase the armor, the equipment, and the runes. I also had to spend time to go out and "farm" areas to procure gold. Because of the ability to create more gold in a smaller space of time, this creates efficiency if my purpose was for gold. So because I invested time/money into a practice to create an efficient money-making process to be able to purchase items that will increase my character's ability to perform, I hardly see this as greed. If I wasn't putting so much time and effort into it then you could better qualify it as greed or if I was ravenous in my practices by procuring largely unnecessary dispoable income and utilizing n00bs as slaves to do my dirty work.

EternalTempest

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

If you beat the game, done all the quests/missions, you want, have the items you want and don't want to do pvp, farm for the vanity items.

But mainly allow me to have more money, I like black die and would love a 15k set for each type of ele and monk armor but can't afford it atm so...

You asked a loaded question w/o realizing it, people will be for solo build, against, or don't care and it can get heated and people will feel strongly about this.

Fact is Anet doesn't mind it. In fact they have an interview stated they have nothing against farming unless it cause's problem (in there eye's) or to stop bots / human bots - http://www.guildwars.com/press/inter...e-friday61.php

Play the way you want to play. Solo Build (challenge), Anti-Social (NPC's), or Team (Pve,PvP). Note some things can't be done with the 1st two in game.

Farmermancer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

I still remember my first first few weeks i thought THK mission was a great way to make money, i mean 1k per hour and the top stats armour at droknar forge only costs about 8k!

Fast forward 7 months, i now consider anything less than 15k an hour unacceptable for money grinding. But after you play this game enough, get FoW, theres very little to do other then PvP and try to find new ways to challenge yourself. Hence some people try to "solo" many parts of the game that are intended for groups of 8 skilled players.

The most skilled PvE players in the game dont solo just for greed, theres very little point to do it just for FoW, or that 15^50 Dwarvern and if you do just grind non stop just to show off saying "I play x hours, therefore im better at grinding" then it says volumes about a person. If you solo just for enjoyment and challenge then the money comes naturally.

In short theres mainly 2 kinds of "solo" players

Ones that do it just for FoW, Items, Chinese farmers, greed and bragging rights in general.

Ones that want to find things to keep the game interesting.