I guess it was inevitable but Guild Wars PK's are here!
What I mean is the players who get thier enjoyment picking on the weak! Offer them a fight vs their peers and they are not interested. A chance to beat on noobs all day and they line up!
What am I on about? - The 1-10 and 1-15 arena!
Now I can expect us all to take some characters into the arena slightly twinked up. But this last weekend I have seen it all!
Plate mail!! Lightsabre axes! Characters with so many major runes on them that it was a joke.
I have to ask these people - Why? Your not learning any tactics. It will not help you at level 20. Your just griefing all the real new players who are trying PvP for the first time.
I have some friends who have just started playing now and they have already given up going into the lev 1-10 arena. And it's not because they are bad players! It's because unless they are twinked up silly then they just don't stand a chance!
What would be good is to restrict equipment on some of these low arenas so that new players can enjoy the PvP in this game.
Us vets have plenty of arenas to test our skill. Picking on the weak with uber equipped characters is something I think we can all do without seeing!
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Please, before you reply with a rant or troll about - ha! I bet you got owned and are crying about it! - Stop!
This is a serious question about the future of new players and how WE want there experience into PvP to grow. It is in all our interests to keep new blood coming into the game and have them enjoy the unique PvP of GW.
Please debate and think about issues. Not troll or rant.
Thank you
GW's form of PKs are here!
Tormunda
Cerby
Meh, lets them feel the asskicking now, because they'll be feeling it later in the Tomb anyways.
Jana
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Meh, lets them feel the asskicking now, because they'll be feeling it later in the Tomb anyways.
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Now or later... pick your poison (it does NOT get any easier).
Jana
Tormunda
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Meh, lets them feel the asskicking now, because they'll be feeling it later in the Tomb anyways.
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Ok equipment and Elite skills will make some difference but the whole reason you can start a pure PvP character is so that you have a good chance in the fights.
But what chance does a new lev 1-10 player have these days in the newbie arena?
They have no PLATE armour (How the hell he got that into the arena I don't know). They have no Dragon swords or Energy Axes. No Major or Superior runes of Vigor and weapon upgrades.
People who twink up that much in those arenas are going there for no other reason that to BULLY people and pick on the weak. If you want to test out some skill combos etc then leave all that rubbish behind. Or just go in and win 5-0 and leave. But some people are there for hours!!!
Jana
Hey, lighten up... it's not like it counts for anything, and believe it or not... you REALLY can't do much in terms of skills and such from lvls 1-10, no matter what you want to believe.
By the way, at THAT level, and if you are new... odds are ANYONE with a tiny bit experience is going to have an advantage over you anyway, as it takes time... and FAR more than 10 levels, to learn what you are doing. This is something you should understand.
Also, MOST items in the game are NOT uber. No matter what you think, they aren't. Yes skills are raised, but only by a few points, so this is NOT an overwhelming advantage.
Somehow, you have convinced yourself that a new player, 2 or 3 days in SHOULD be able to beat an experienced person, even if they are of equal levels. Hate to break this to you, but this game is ALL about skill. PERIOD.
And besides, even weapons do not make a difference... for example, the max hammer damage is 35. Sure they may not have a Gold hammer with 35 max damage, but you can pick one up with that dam really cheap with no mods and BUY a few cheap mods I see people selling and make it decent, and certainly not enough to say that one is FAR overpowered.
Chill.
Jana
By the way, at THAT level, and if you are new... odds are ANYONE with a tiny bit experience is going to have an advantage over you anyway, as it takes time... and FAR more than 10 levels, to learn what you are doing. This is something you should understand.
Also, MOST items in the game are NOT uber. No matter what you think, they aren't. Yes skills are raised, but only by a few points, so this is NOT an overwhelming advantage.
Somehow, you have convinced yourself that a new player, 2 or 3 days in SHOULD be able to beat an experienced person, even if they are of equal levels. Hate to break this to you, but this game is ALL about skill. PERIOD.
And besides, even weapons do not make a difference... for example, the max hammer damage is 35. Sure they may not have a Gold hammer with 35 max damage, but you can pick one up with that dam really cheap with no mods and BUY a few cheap mods I see people selling and make it decent, and certainly not enough to say that one is FAR overpowered.
Chill.
Jana
Morat
Jumping into a low level arena with top grade kit from second (first?) accs or guildmates is just sad.
Tormunda
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Jumping into a low level arena with top grade kit from second (first?) accs or guildmates is just sad.
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I may not have enough posts on this forum to have councillor next to my name but having played since early beta, I know enough about the PvP in this game to make a valid comment.
Equipment DOES make a huge difference.
Anyone in later game armour can walk around vs the early game and take almost no damage. Even from PLAYERS.
Yes you can defeat them. I am not disputing this. But it takes some very experienced players with the right skills to take down these twinked players.
My argument is: What on earth is the newbie arena for?
1) A killing ground for experienced players to twink up and slay newbies?
2) A chance to test a class combo you have not played before?
3) An opportinity for new players to learn a little about PvP?
4) A chance for experienced players to pass on some PvP tactics to new players?
5) A way to spend the 10 mins you have online before you need to go out?
One of these options is a very sad reason. Can you guess which?
DismalClown
Even though I just got finished playing in the 1-10 arena with a dragon sword – (my armor was the ascalon level 15 cheap stuff) I have to say I agree with you. They should have level restrictions on equipment at least for pvp.
I was in a 4 warrior group at one point and 3 of us had dragon swords. We won the first game and someone on the team said "we are gods". Kind of sad.
I was in a 4 warrior group at one point and 3 of us had dragon swords. We won the first game and someone on the team said "we are gods". Kind of sad.
Celes Tial
People with lots of major and superior runes in the level 1-10 arena? I fail to believe that. Because well... the -50 and -75 health penalties would really hurt a low level player's health pool too much. If they use so many 'big' runes, you should be able to kill them easily with their 100 or less health... right? 
What I would like to see are level limits for grouping in the earlier missions. A mission really isnt fun anymore when a level 15 or 20 'rushes' the lowbies through. It turns the game into a Diablo 2 ripoff.
What I would like to see are level limits for grouping in the earlier missions. A mission really isnt fun anymore when a level 15 or 20 'rushes' the lowbies through. It turns the game into a Diablo 2 ripoff.
Tormunda
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People with lots of major and superior runes in the level 1-10 arena? I fail to believe that. Because well... the -50 and -75 health penalties would really hurt a low level player's health pool too much. If they use so many 'big' runes, you should be able to kill them easily with their 100 or less health... right?
What I would like to see are level limits for grouping in the earlier missions. A mission really isnt fun anymore when a level 15 or 20 'rushes' the lowbies through. It turns the game into a Diablo 2 ripoff. |
Your second comment is also how you get this good armour. If you rush low level players through missions with a high level then they only get the 1000xp mission complete and no other xp. So it is easy to get them into the later parts of the game with a very low level.
I have two accounts at home, one for the wife and one for me. It would be nothing for me to log in with a newb char on her account and team up with my lev 20's. Then just leave her char standing at the start and I run through missions with my char. I can get her to Lion's arch and beyond in 1 evenings play.
I have seen a lev 5 in Lions Arch and have to ask myself. Why? If all they are doing is running through as far as they can to get twinked up so they can go back and 'OWN' the newbie arenas then there is something wrong! (With the player and the game).
If some kind of equipment block was put on the low level arenas then people who are playing the game as intended are fine. Those loosers who are unable to compete with the 'big-boys' and just want to bully the newbs will have to find something else to do!
Leventh
i like how you slipped in the "Can Something be done?" in the title.. but this really belongs in the Bitch About Being Pwned thread.. oh damn, there is no such thing.
ok items.. no level 10/15 can have a 'godly item' unless they invest a mass amound into their say swordsmanship skill.. this would take away from their spell/skill output.
runes, yes they help a bit but once again at such a low level they are rather useless.
rushing, i dont see how putting a level limit would slow anyone down, as you can get around most of the map without doing a single mission.
summary: stop complaining, go level/item hunt a bit and jump back into pvp
ok items.. no level 10/15 can have a 'godly item' unless they invest a mass amound into their say swordsmanship skill.. this would take away from their spell/skill output.
runes, yes they help a bit but once again at such a low level they are rather useless.
rushing, i dont see how putting a level limit would slow anyone down, as you can get around most of the map without doing a single mission.
summary: stop complaining, go level/item hunt a bit and jump back into pvp
Nosajio
Ah. Its always nice to see the problems of games of old bubbling up into the new...
I've honestly have yet to experience any of this. A lot of the times when I want to cry imbalance, common sense kicks in and I begin to see the millions of mistakes that make my Player versus Player teams implode. I think the most common is having that one Rambo player get impatient and march off to his demise, all by his lonesome. And they DROP HIM FAST. No matter the equipment, or level. From there, it's just a huge chink in the armor.
But there is reason to be pissy about players who twink up to bash the inexperienced. It's just plain stupid. And if you do it, I believe the complaints are deserved. On the other hand (hence the title), the game itself kinda promotes the muling and twinking. Its all built in. Can we say "Storage system?" With the fact that muling is a built in option, and the gaming culture in-general, you'll see "noob bashing" die just as soon as my billions of dollars roll in from my toilet seat warmer patent. I don't blame ya for complaining though. Its downright dumb of players.
I've honestly have yet to experience any of this. A lot of the times when I want to cry imbalance, common sense kicks in and I begin to see the millions of mistakes that make my Player versus Player teams implode. I think the most common is having that one Rambo player get impatient and march off to his demise, all by his lonesome. And they DROP HIM FAST. No matter the equipment, or level. From there, it's just a huge chink in the armor.
But there is reason to be pissy about players who twink up to bash the inexperienced. It's just plain stupid. And if you do it, I believe the complaints are deserved. On the other hand (hence the title), the game itself kinda promotes the muling and twinking. Its all built in. Can we say "Storage system?" With the fact that muling is a built in option, and the gaming culture in-general, you'll see "noob bashing" die just as soon as my billions of dollars roll in from my toilet seat warmer patent. I don't blame ya for complaining though. Its downright dumb of players.
Tormunda
hehe, I like the way people assume lots of things on these threads.
Like me being owned and complaining. lol!
Infact it was me that killed the guy in platemail and his team and got them out of their 'owning' of the arena.
I am not here to winge or rant about people twinking up because they are spoiling my fun!
I am asking a question. Can and Should something be done about it?
2 months from now you buy the game and play GW. You have never played it before, so what do you get?
1) A nice introduction area that teached you about game mechanics etc.
2) A little PvP battle that is reasonably balanced.
3) Then you get into the bigger world and start to get the hang of it.
4) At game release we all then had a newbie arena that allowed to us see that PvP in GW is fun and understand that near the end game your going to want to PvP a lot more.
But what will you get in 2 months? A gank fest of twinked players that will put new players off PvP altogether.
Since PvP is a major part of this game, don't you think that is a little daft?
As a guild leader and a keen PvP player myself, I want to see new blood enter this game and I want them to enjoy PvP. As they progress then I can get them onto team speak and we can start building them up in team tactics.
Having them mashed by twinked up players in the newbie arena is going to do nothing positive for that new player.
People are happy to jump on the troll and ranting replies of - 'Ha! Ha! Let them get owned!' or 'Maybe you got owned - stop crying!' but are these replies of any help? Do they bring forward a valid argument for twinking? Do any of you see a reason why the newbie arena should not have equipment restrictions?
I myself can see some issues of equipment restrictions and how would it be done. But until someone starts to reply with a sensible debate then I am here waiting.
Like me being owned and complaining. lol!
Infact it was me that killed the guy in platemail and his team and got them out of their 'owning' of the arena.
I am not here to winge or rant about people twinking up because they are spoiling my fun!
I am asking a question. Can and Should something be done about it?
2 months from now you buy the game and play GW. You have never played it before, so what do you get?
1) A nice introduction area that teached you about game mechanics etc.
2) A little PvP battle that is reasonably balanced.
3) Then you get into the bigger world and start to get the hang of it.
4) At game release we all then had a newbie arena that allowed to us see that PvP in GW is fun and understand that near the end game your going to want to PvP a lot more.
But what will you get in 2 months? A gank fest of twinked players that will put new players off PvP altogether.
Since PvP is a major part of this game, don't you think that is a little daft?
As a guild leader and a keen PvP player myself, I want to see new blood enter this game and I want them to enjoy PvP. As they progress then I can get them onto team speak and we can start building them up in team tactics.
Having them mashed by twinked up players in the newbie arena is going to do nothing positive for that new player.
People are happy to jump on the troll and ranting replies of - 'Ha! Ha! Let them get owned!' or 'Maybe you got owned - stop crying!' but are these replies of any help? Do they bring forward a valid argument for twinking? Do any of you see a reason why the newbie arena should not have equipment restrictions?
I myself can see some issues of equipment restrictions and how would it be done. But until someone starts to reply with a sensible debate then I am here waiting.
thaumaturge
It's what you have to deal with when the game is a weird blend between "level is better" and "skill is better". Btw I must be a noob, how does one character under level 10 obtain a good plate mail when each armor is crafted for one user, is there an uncrafter somewhere?
Tormunda
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It's what you have to deal with when the game is a weird blend between "level is better" and "skill is better". Btw I must be a noob, how does one character under level 10 obtain a good plate mail when each armor is crafted for one user, is there an uncrafter somewhere?
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To try and spark some debate here... Question:
We need to still let in players who legit find a rare item! - Do you think it would be a sequantial ID ref on a random table that can be blocked. i.e: No item with ref ID 2000+ can be found legit for arena 1-10?
Would the player be able to enter and just not equip the item?
What do you think a good system response would be? (Current equipped item is beyond the requirements for this arena?) So the player could swap down??
Myodato
Has anyone bothered to ask themselves why there is a 1-10 Arena ? Surely the point is to allow competitive and enjoyable PvP from the early stages of the game, rather than having to grind out another maxed-out uber-template killer. If this concept can be broken by people over-equipping there low-level alts, then what is the point of having low level arenas at all ?
To be honest, I don't think that it is a huge problem (yet), as having your team full of warriors and monks does a lot more for your chances than any amount of leet equipment, but I do think the idea of an equipment-cap is worth considering. If this is even a slight problem now, then it will only be a greater one in the future when more people have access to vast quantities of great farmed loot through their main characters.
To be honest, I don't think that it is a huge problem (yet), as having your team full of warriors and monks does a lot more for your chances than any amount of leet equipment, but I do think the idea of an equipment-cap is worth considering. If this is even a slight problem now, then it will only be a greater one in the future when more people have access to vast quantities of great farmed loot through their main characters.
Jana
Wait. HOW does one get armor for a low level "twink" if armor is crafted specifically for each person again? I know you dodged the question, so can you explain?
I do see your point though, in terms of what it is used for. - shields and weapons specifically. Runes maybe as well, but those health hits at low levels would give you like VERY low health.
I would GUESS the only way to stop this twinking is to do what WOW did and make weapons and shields ALSO customized for ONE person only on use or equip. This would work and I would even be for this.
What I am wondering is... IS this an oversight by the DEVs, or did they have something else in mind when they designed it this way?
Jana
I do see your point though, in terms of what it is used for. - shields and weapons specifically. Runes maybe as well, but those health hits at low levels would give you like VERY low health.
I would GUESS the only way to stop this twinking is to do what WOW did and make weapons and shields ALSO customized for ONE person only on use or equip. This would work and I would even be for this.
What I am wondering is... IS this an oversight by the DEVs, or did they have something else in mind when they designed it this way?
Jana
Leventh
eaw.. the "W" word.
They are not dumb enough to put in the soulbound system.. as that would screw over every wep in the game.
I fail to see any problem with the current lowbie pvp area. there will always be people who have invested time, cash, and a little thinking to make their char. better then the rest, these people should be reward with victory rather then outcasted.
also might I point out that you gain XP in the pit.. so a twinked char is only good for so many rounds before they are removed. so if one were to go though all that trouble to grind to droknar's (and avoiding xp), get their 6k set, and come back to 'pwn' some noobs. were talking about 25+ (if hardcored and done right) hours to twink their armor, it would cost 50kish to twink their runes.. all for say 4-5 hours of pwning.
Does not add up.
They are not dumb enough to put in the soulbound system.. as that would screw over every wep in the game.
I fail to see any problem with the current lowbie pvp area. there will always be people who have invested time, cash, and a little thinking to make their char. better then the rest, these people should be reward with victory rather then outcasted.
also might I point out that you gain XP in the pit.. so a twinked char is only good for so many rounds before they are removed. so if one were to go though all that trouble to grind to droknar's (and avoiding xp), get their 6k set, and come back to 'pwn' some noobs. were talking about 25+ (if hardcored and done right) hours to twink their armor, it would cost 50kish to twink their runes.. all for say 4-5 hours of pwning.
Does not add up.
Arvydas
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Wait. HOW does one get armor for a low level "twink" if armor is crafted specifically for each person again? I know you dodged the question, so can you explain?
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But I do see that in order to wear such a high lvl armor, the char must have sacrificed other attributes, so they're not truly invincible. Of course, since noobs are still learning the game, they'd have a hard time handling such chars.
I don't like seeing players picking on noobs, so I'd really like to see something to be done.
Paine
My two cents:
They're not the only ones. This type of laming exists in many games.
Why ¿?
* Perhaps they want to ruin for others ?
* Perhaps they're doing it for fun ?
* Perhaps they're practising ?
* Perhaps they get that feeling to be "cool" ?
* Perhaps they suck at high LvL duels ?
Another thing though;
Twice a cheater, always a cheater.
They're not the only ones. This type of laming exists in many games.
Why ¿?
* Perhaps they want to ruin for others ?
* Perhaps they're doing it for fun ?
* Perhaps they're practising ?
* Perhaps they get that feeling to be "cool" ?
* Perhaps they suck at high LvL duels ?
Another thing though;
Twice a cheater, always a cheater.
ChristopherKee
WHY DOES IT MATTER??. You level out of the arena anyway. Not like you can turn off XP and keep your character there forever.
If someone wants to do the missions to get to yaks or whatever to get armor and come back to the 1-10 arena.. Good. YOU HAVE THAT OPTION TOO.
Stop crying, let this post die and if you don't like it roll a mesmer or necro and go kill the twinks.. DUH.
If someone wants to do the missions to get to yaks or whatever to get armor and come back to the 1-10 arena.. Good. YOU HAVE THAT OPTION TOO.
Stop crying, let this post die and if you don't like it roll a mesmer or necro and go kill the twinks.. DUH.
Leventh
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WHY DOES IT MATTER??. You level out of the arena anyway. Not like you can turn off XP and keep your character there forever.
If someone wants to do the missions to get to yaks or whatever to get armor and come back to the 1-10 arena.. Good. YOU HAVE THAT OPTION TOO. Stop crying, let this post die and if you don't like it roll a mesmer or necro and go kill the twinks.. DUH. |
Gortz
Aha
this all makes sense now.
I was in the lwlvl arena the other day and think i saw that grp of warriors, most w/mo, running into the fray with flame swords.
I personally and about 2other "normal" equip guys was smashing away but health bar didnt move once, they had no monk, just some w/mo and a ranger and a necro.
So i thought ok just a reroll toon and some guys who know how to play, so i went in again, almost same grp - my health had a drain on it so bad it wiped out my bar completely!
I cant say all of it was down to the necro but something was up when low lvl drains arent too bad just annoying and worrying at times. But my bar turned pink and dropped like the titanic.
Needless to say i left the arena feeling like something was wrong and yes others will just avoid the arena altogether.
Way to kill the most important part of the game guys...nice one
this all makes sense now.
I was in the lwlvl arena the other day and think i saw that grp of warriors, most w/mo, running into the fray with flame swords.
I personally and about 2other "normal" equip guys was smashing away but health bar didnt move once, they had no monk, just some w/mo and a ranger and a necro.
So i thought ok just a reroll toon and some guys who know how to play, so i went in again, almost same grp - my health had a drain on it so bad it wiped out my bar completely!
I cant say all of it was down to the necro but something was up when low lvl drains arent too bad just annoying and worrying at times. But my bar turned pink and dropped like the titanic.
Needless to say i left the arena feeling like something was wrong and yes others will just avoid the arena altogether.
Way to kill the most important part of the game guys...nice one
Leventh
Yes, he killed me.. must be [insert word from below]!
*hacking, cheating, ebaying, twinked, aimbotting, and/or exploiting*
*hacking, cheating, ebaying, twinked, aimbotting, and/or exploiting*
ChristopherKee
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Crude, but well said.
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Redfang
You could make your post a lot more constructive my making a list of what PvP areas are appropriate to what levels. I personally have no idea.
Harlas Kije
I am sure twinking might give a group a slight edge--but I think what makes twinked groups so superior to other groups in the arenas is:
1) they are all experienced players probably--since they have the resources to get godly armor and gear and upgrades
2) they probably work very very well with each other
3) They know how to fight PvP.
Limitations they have:
at level 1-10 there are only so many skill points they can feasibly have
at level 1-10 there are only so many skills period that they can have
at level 1-10 there is only so much hp/energy they can have
at level 1-10 there is max damage they can do
Now--I am sure that if they have the resources (time/gold/friends) they can probably plan out a team--with the most skill points/skills/gear that they could get in order to maximize their damage and minimize their deaths...but how many people have this? I would bet that there are groups of players--skilled/experienced enough as a team that could come in and give these guys a run for their money. As has been said before--there really is no reward for these guys--except for maybe bragging rights--but how much of a brag is it?
1) they are all experienced players probably--since they have the resources to get godly armor and gear and upgrades
2) they probably work very very well with each other
3) They know how to fight PvP.
Limitations they have:
at level 1-10 there are only so many skill points they can feasibly have
at level 1-10 there are only so many skills period that they can have
at level 1-10 there is only so much hp/energy they can have
at level 1-10 there is max damage they can do
Now--I am sure that if they have the resources (time/gold/friends) they can probably plan out a team--with the most skill points/skills/gear that they could get in order to maximize their damage and minimize their deaths...but how many people have this? I would bet that there are groups of players--skilled/experienced enough as a team that could come in and give these guys a run for their money. As has been said before--there really is no reward for these guys--except for maybe bragging rights--but how much of a brag is it?
Leventh
The pvp in noob towns is random, so it is hard for twinked parties to organize.
DrSLUGFly
I kind of agree... but not really. When I first started playing (my first day) I went into the Arena and got seriously owned... I had no idea what I was doing, I just fully got bumslammed!!!
I haven't gone back.
However I'm now level 17 as opposed to 1 or 5 or whatever I was then, and I feel much better about PvP. I still don't like the fact that I have nothing to fear from other players while in the wild, but I feel like PvE has hardened me and taught me a bit about how to play.
Someone who is powertwinking their PvP characters and spending most of their time teaching noobs how to make love to an axe... beware... I've been exploring every portion I can find of the map, I'm determined to take out every major beastie I can find with as few henchmen as possible (and without resorting to known winning class combos but instead playing what I like to play). By the time I get to PvP I will know my character inside out, I will understand how to move, how to attack, how to defend, how to use my terrain and how to use my teamates appropriately, also how to read my teamates and the enemy appropriately.
in most cases being accused of one of these things is a great compliment... however if perchance someone is simply winning because they twinked and now like to abuse low level players, I will be ready...
For great Slugness!
I haven't gone back.
However I'm now level 17 as opposed to 1 or 5 or whatever I was then, and I feel much better about PvP. I still don't like the fact that I have nothing to fear from other players while in the wild, but I feel like PvE has hardened me and taught me a bit about how to play.
Someone who is powertwinking their PvP characters and spending most of their time teaching noobs how to make love to an axe... beware... I've been exploring every portion I can find of the map, I'm determined to take out every major beastie I can find with as few henchmen as possible (and without resorting to known winning class combos but instead playing what I like to play). By the time I get to PvP I will know my character inside out, I will understand how to move, how to attack, how to defend, how to use my terrain and how to use my teamates appropriately, also how to read my teamates and the enemy appropriately.
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For great Slugness!
Azreal911
They can have all the awesome plate armor they want unfortunately for them my necro skills automatically take out life directly from their life bar instead of damage on their armor. hahahaha! time to move on to the next arena though for me soon.
Corwin_Andros
The entire point of the lower level arenas was to attempt to keep the playing fields fairly level so that low level characters could compete decently and grow to enjoy the pvp.
Yes it is technically possible for a low level character to make it to Droknar's on teh coat tails of others. Some folks do it for the kicks of seeing how early they can ascend. Others do it so that going back with a freshly minted lvl3-insta 20 ascended character makes skill acquisition a lot easier.
The unfortunate side of this is that there ARE those who only do it to get their jollies by beating on n00bs and other low level characters for as long as they possibly can so that they feel good about themselves. THese are the ones that get to Droknar's the hard way and get all teh highest level gear and don't ascend.
I do think it would be best if at least the arena in AC were equipment limited so that new players have a reasonable chance to play and compete without getting abused by players that "twink" out their alts or new guildmates. Let everyone have an equal shake at enjoying all aspects of the game before the 1337 pwnz0r a-holes ruin it for them before they even have a chance to get to like the game.
Yes it is technically possible for a low level character to make it to Droknar's on teh coat tails of others. Some folks do it for the kicks of seeing how early they can ascend. Others do it so that going back with a freshly minted lvl3-insta 20 ascended character makes skill acquisition a lot easier.
The unfortunate side of this is that there ARE those who only do it to get their jollies by beating on n00bs and other low level characters for as long as they possibly can so that they feel good about themselves. THese are the ones that get to Droknar's the hard way and get all teh highest level gear and don't ascend.
I do think it would be best if at least the arena in AC were equipment limited so that new players have a reasonable chance to play and compete without getting abused by players that "twink" out their alts or new guildmates. Let everyone have an equal shake at enjoying all aspects of the game before the 1337 pwnz0r a-holes ruin it for them before they even have a chance to get to like the game.
converge
Though I'm sure there is a lot of twinking going on, not everyone with uber items has been twinked. Generally, I see ultra-powerful weapons and runes being sold in town for far less than the price of black or silver dye, and I happened to get two silver dyes when I was level 4. So I've got some nice equipment even though I'm low level, and I've mostly played by myself.
Perishiko ReLLiK
Oh dear, i havent thought of it that way... i saw these people getting dragged through lornar's pass or w/e to draknor's(sp), and i didnt really realize the reason for doing it... i remember them stating they wanted the higher lvl armor (Since it has no lvl req), and didnt really think about those poor people in the lvl 10 arena getting tossed around by people that can hardly get hurt from them because of the Final armor... That's insane...
The higher lvl swords and such aren't as effective since they require higher str/sword/axe/ whatever attribute... but still... yea...
Nice point (although i don't go into those arenas and only have once to get my own ass handed to me... *Now i know why...*)
The higher lvl swords and such aren't as effective since they require higher str/sword/axe/ whatever attribute... but still... yea...
Nice point (although i don't go into those arenas and only have once to get my own ass handed to me... *Now i know why...*)
BChan
how about since technically armor types have levels for instance bonelace is lvl 70 def and scar pattern is 60 for necros (if i selected bonelace as the 70ar but it isn't just use the numbers), then depending on you level armor functions at the max you could possibly attain at the level of that arena. So for instance I go to the Ascalon arena at lvl 10 the max bonelace armor could be for a lvl 10 is 30AR. Therefore my armor rating regardless of where it is 45 or 70 functions at 30 AR. However if i bought the 15ar bonelace, well it still is only 15 ar. This would be a pretty easy piecewise function.
Weapons could function similarly. I think the only difference on any of these is that the mods (+en, recharge, etc.) should function the same regardless. So you can twink the mods but the damage and damage reduction a twinked player can get are reduced. The adjustment is done by arena so that it caps the effects of player. This would be pretty easy to implement via world effects, which I believe don't count as conditions therefore would not cause extra damage to players because of spells (such as feast of corruption).
Weapons could function similarly. I think the only difference on any of these is that the mods (+en, recharge, etc.) should function the same regardless. So you can twink the mods but the damage and damage reduction a twinked player can get are reduced. The adjustment is done by arena so that it caps the effects of player. This would be pretty easy to implement via world effects, which I believe don't count as conditions therefore would not cause extra damage to players because of spells (such as feast of corruption).
Cindare Sunstriker
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Originally Posted by Tormunda
Now I can expect us all to take some characters into the arena slightly twinked up. But this last weekend I have seen it all!
Plate mail!! Lightsabre axes! Characters with so many major runes on them that it was a joke. I have to ask these people - Why? Your not learning any tactics. It will not help you at level 20. Your just griefing all the real new players who are trying PvP for the first time. |
These fools would have you think that PvP is something you either 'can or can't' do. Um, wrong. And trust me, that you mop the floor with new players thanks to your runes and upgraded armor is not impressive, it merely speaks to the reality that some people don't get that PvP isn't about the 'pwnage', it's about skill and tactics.
Guess what? This demonstrates neither.
Hopefully ArenaNet will understand better than these fools the importance of building interest in PvP among the PvE community and put restrictions to stop this kind of thing in place before the "0h m¥ 90Ð 0h m¥ 90Ð 1 mµ$7 0wn20r$ j00 n0w!!~!~11" runs off all the fresh meat and we're stuck with the inevitable spiral down into pure boredom that happens at about oh, the one year mark.
Cerixus
I'm having trouble understanding just how twinked they could be. When I buy armor, I can't give it to anyone else. Even without equipping it, it says it's customized for Cerixus The Just. Also, all weapons have some sort of requirement, and most of the really leet weapons I've seen have pretty steep requirements. Maybe I'm missing something though?
prostyle
This kind of thing is all I experienced for my first 30 minutes in PVP. I was honestly asking myself, "This is the game everyone is going nuts over? Pfah"... untill I got a good team assigned to me. After I saw the strategy work together and was better able to comprehend everyones contributions to the team effort it made a lot more sense.
However, from that point on I did notice a lot of level 10 or 15 (depending on the cap) players with OUTRAGEOUS gear for the arena. Mainly warriors, etc... but they're obviously using hand-me-down gear from their guildmates or somesuch. That can be really frustrating, especially when it seems that is a popular 'style of play'... for example:
I dont know if I am playing too fast or not doing enough side quests, but nearly every time I form a group for a mission ppl are 2-4 levels higher than me in my group. When I first got to Yaks Bend with my friend we were both LEVEL EIGHT. The lowest person besides us was TWELVE. I dunno if these people also like to play easily but when I'm 8 and I'm questing with a 17... I just dont see how it is a challenge for them.
All in all I don't think this is comparable to "player killing", or "greifing" of any sort. It was a big issue for me to grapple early in the game though.
However, from that point on I did notice a lot of level 10 or 15 (depending on the cap) players with OUTRAGEOUS gear for the arena. Mainly warriors, etc... but they're obviously using hand-me-down gear from their guildmates or somesuch. That can be really frustrating, especially when it seems that is a popular 'style of play'... for example:
I dont know if I am playing too fast or not doing enough side quests, but nearly every time I form a group for a mission ppl are 2-4 levels higher than me in my group. When I first got to Yaks Bend with my friend we were both LEVEL EIGHT. The lowest person besides us was TWELVE. I dunno if these people also like to play easily but when I'm 8 and I'm questing with a 17... I just dont see how it is a challenge for them.
All in all I don't think this is comparable to "player killing", or "greifing" of any sort. It was a big issue for me to grapple early in the game though.
Sting
The same ones who do this are the same ones that get their kicks out of quiting groups durring missions. And nobody wants to do anything about that either LOL. Kinda ruining the game IMO. But what can anyone do when this type of stuff isnt delt with but actually defended.
Lunarbunny
Hmmm...
I had one random AC arena team that kicked the sh*t out of everybody. It wasn't because we were uber equipped; we were A) a well balanced team and B) using the right skills at the right time. Doesn't matter what they throw at you as long as you fight well. 17 wins (about 10 flawless) before our ranger left and my computer crashed
I had one random AC arena team that kicked the sh*t out of everybody. It wasn't because we were uber equipped; we were A) a well balanced team and B) using the right skills at the right time. Doesn't matter what they throw at you as long as you fight well. 17 wins (about 10 flawless) before our ranger left and my computer crashed
Fate
If you take the risk to go into these arenas you know what level of people you're going to face.