Petition for leaving-a-battle penalties - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

TRUEgamer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

New Hampshire, USA

none

D/

25 Mar 2006 at 00:36 - 1

I've lost the past 4 or 5 Alliance battles because at least half of my team quit prematurely. Most of these people stayed in the game and just did other things.

Personally, I find this excrutiatingly frustrating and a terrible waste of time, not to mentoin something that takes away from the experience of the game (not my experience necessarially, but experience nonetheless).

Being said, I think that ArenaNet should put a penalty up against people who map out early that works in this fashion...

If the character has 0 to 500 gold - 25% of gold
If the character has 500 to 1000 gold - 20% of gold
If the character has 1 plat to 5 plat - 15% of gold
If the character has more than 5 plat - 1 plat for every five

OR (make it like a lottery)

20 percent of current allegiance faction

I think something like this would persuade people to only enter if they are serious about entering.

If you agree, "sign" this petition.

THIS NEEDS TO STOP

Cymrix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aberdeen, WA, about 2 hrs south west of seattle, 30 mins from ocean.

25 Mar 2006 at 00:45 - 2

/sign

I think that you are right. I don't think the gold penalty will work though. It would have to be something like faction at least, I thinkg to work. But even more so of a penalty I think. Like unable to join the competetive mission for 2 days for your account I think. Maybe a progressive penalty to make it fair for those that don't know about it. I guess you could just warn them before they click yes to leave or something.

And if people do leave it would be nice to at least get an NPC or something in thier place. That way you at least have some sort of a chance.

Also, given time I think it will balance out. You will have less people "checking it out" and more of the people playing that know what it's about.

-cym

TheYellowKid

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mina Sucks [Blz]

25 Mar 2006 at 00:46 - 3

yea i agree totally its the most frustrating experience.. ive lost 2 alliance battles but both times the team stayed regardless and the 2nd time we started to come back once we got our team work down a bit better..

not sure if money would work but if faction is going to be used a lot in factions then losing that would prob hurt them more.. either way penalties are definetly needed because they detract from the game..

Zackile Greenbirth

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

UK

R/

25 Mar 2006 at 00:52 - 4

i haven't played PvP 12v12 yet, but i'm about to, and i hate leavers sooooooo

/signed

Aarroe of Gilgamesh

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Friedberg, Germany

We Came, We Saw, We Drank [Tea]

25 Mar 2006 at 00:57 - 5

/signed for all of the hundred times i heard people in ts complaining about this today

tONYY

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

25 Mar 2006 at 01:01 - 6

That just stupid...

This is the FIRST day ANYONE is playing this, first time i entered i thought it was a mission...

Asrial

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Centurion Guard

Mo/E

25 Mar 2006 at 01:08 - 7

Even the losers gain faction, so leaving prematurely = no faction.

TRUEgamer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

New Hampshire, USA

none

D/

25 Mar 2006 at 01:17 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asrial

Even the losers gain faction, so leaving prematurely = no faction.

I'd agree, but to the people leaving early, gaining 50-100 faction doesn't matter.

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

25 Mar 2006 at 01:21 - 9

I got a better idea.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?p=1137850

Quote:

In the event that a player deserts the luxon vs kurschick battle, he will suffer a faction penalty(luxon or kurschick):
- 1,000 faction(luxon or kursick)

This 1,000 faction will be refunded if the following conditions are satisfied:
- he quits the battle, and logs out completely
- the total logged out time is at least an hour

This 1,000 faction will be gone for good if:
- the player quits the battle, and remains in game, without logging off

Negative factions(luxon or kusick) can be achieved, should this happen, the player is denied from participating in alliance battles, until faction(luxon or kusick) is positive again.

Angelus of Silence

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/Me

25 Mar 2006 at 01:25 - 10

/Sign

I Had enough of people even quitting cuz guild memebers on other side!!!
I really wish this would be taken care of

Also the Idea by Tuoba is gr8 and i support it well done

ellamonster32

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

San Jose, Ca

prim

R/Mo

25 Mar 2006 at 01:45 - 11

/Sign

I know it's just preview weekend, but these leavers tick me off.

It's not like that the whole thing takes a long time, how much time are they really saving by jetting early! I think the neg faction banning is an awesome idea...

Lexar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Organised Spam

W/

25 Mar 2006 at 01:46 - 12

Make it so that they cant rejoin a battle untill the one they left is over. That way they might as well have stayed ;p

TurinPT

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

25 Mar 2006 at 01:49 - 13

ppl would just go afk instead of leaving...

Lexar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Organised Spam

W/

25 Mar 2006 at 01:52 - 14

I don't think so. It's usually more impatient people, that won't want to sit and wait for the battle to be over. So basically you hit them where it hurts. Moreso than a penalty. That's just numbers on the screen, whereas having to wait before playing is an actual penalty.

Diablo???

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Seattle

SPQR

N/R

25 Mar 2006 at 01:55 - 15

Lmao @ OP's image. That is truly hilarious.

oh yea:

/signed

Ggraphix

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Houston

N/A

R/Mo

25 Mar 2006 at 02:04 - 16

I don't think they should be able to take hard earned platinum, but I do think they should take faction points.
You earn faction by fighting not running, therefore you should lose faction for being a quitter.

My signature is for losing faction.

You would be quite pissed if the government took your money if you quit your job. But instead you only lose the chance to make more money, putting a stall on things. Like losing faction would put a stall on gaining skills or whatever it is that you gain in Factions.

But if a player gets disconnected, they should be able to tell somehow and not penalize that person.
But not if the person just logs out, because then everybody would just do that and nothing would change.

mark3h

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ireland

DUK

25 Mar 2006 at 02:21 - 17

/Signed

People who leave prematurely deserved not to gain any faction that they should have earned in that battle.

ibex333

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Brooklyn, NY

[EYE]

Rt/A

25 Mar 2006 at 02:25 - 18

/signed

Antigd

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2006

25 Mar 2006 at 02:26 - 19

/signed

This is not only a problem in Alliance Battles, but also with almost every other side of PvP... Especially in random and team... grrrrrrrrrrr!

CleverLoginName

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Canada

Clever Guild Name

Mo/Me

25 Mar 2006 at 02:43 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

I got a better idea.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?p=1137850

This is much better.

angshuman

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

25 Mar 2006 at 03:08 - 21

For PvP characters:
1. Subtract a certain amount of Faction and Fame
2. If Faction is 0, then undo/re-lock the last unlock that the player had done
3. Similarly, decrement Rank when Fame reaches specific levels

For PvE characters:
1. Subtract experience
2. Adjust for skill points and level according to the new experience. For example, the last skill captured may become unavailable if the player loses a skill point. Below the minimum xp required for lvl20, de-level the character.

Misa

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right next to the armor crafter.

Mo/

25 Mar 2006 at 05:54 - 22

/signed

jm_jazzy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Seshlings

E/Me

25 Mar 2006 at 05:58 - 23

Agree completely. You sign up for PvP or a team mission and leave to go elsewhere you should be stoned to death.

grrrrrrr

jm

sedgewick

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Sage of Judgement [SoJ]

W/

25 Mar 2006 at 05:59 - 24

/signed

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

25 Mar 2006 at 06:28 - 25

/signed, of course

To those who signed, you might wish to check out this thread as well:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?p=1138270

Mai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Needs Moar[DESU]

Mo/

25 Mar 2006 at 06:28 - 26

/signed

Something needs to be done to penalize rage quitters in general. (PvP & PvE) I know this has discussed when Prophecies was in beta also but this issue needs to be brought up again and again until Anet finds a solution for this.

d4nowar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/

25 Mar 2006 at 06:32 - 27

/signed.

Teams with +6 A/X should get a penalty.

Oh... I mean leaving should give you a penalty...

NevynZeddicus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Iowa

E/

25 Mar 2006 at 07:08 - 28

/signed.

This should have been put into effect a long time ago, for both PvE and PvP. Unless you happen to be a masochist who loves doing things over and over.

Kali Ma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/Mo

25 Mar 2006 at 07:20 - 29

/signed

At least some form of discouragment should be considered.

insecticide

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/Me

26 Mar 2006 at 00:29 - 30

/Signed

Quitters are getting beyond annoying. Anet needs to seriously address this before they release it.

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

26 Mar 2006 at 00:46 - 31

For PvP: signed.
For PvE: NOT signed (PvE should never be forced into pvp battles and missions should just be optional)

Lint

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

In a house....

bleh

26 Mar 2006 at 01:10 - 32

I have a question. When ever you kill someone do you get kurzik faction orwatever?

craz888

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Portal Metafisica

W/Mo

26 Mar 2006 at 01:30 - 33

/signed
it has to be the money idea because there are people from kurzick or luxons that will go on their enemies teams and leave, i mean wat have they got to lose their enemies faction thats pointlesss to them, i like the money fine more but its got 1 big problem people can easily just go in with no money.

but my personal fav penalty has to be if u leave u will be banned from either playing the whole game for 5,10,15 mins or just be banned from doing those battles for 5,10,15 mins

Karmaniac

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

26 Mar 2006 at 09:21 - 34

/signed

But I don't agree with losing money. I'd agree with losing faction and fame (and thus losing rank). Also it could be made so that if you go awol you wouldn't be allowed to join any type of pvp for say- 2 hours?

Or Anet could go capital punishment on them. Nothing like a message saying: "Your character Xxx Yyy has been found guilty of cowardice and has been executed (deleted). May Dwayna have mercy on your soul."

David Bray

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

Spectrum Knightz

W/

28 Mar 2006 at 17:20 - 35

i hate quitters they need something like this for FoW UW (new and old)

/signed

jibikao

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

28 Mar 2006 at 17:29 - 36

Quitters are annoying but there are different types of quitters.

Quitters on your team is so common in random PvP or even PvE.

Quitters on the opposing team who quit just before they die so you DO NOT get the faction points your team deserves. I am seeing lots of this type of quitters in random PvP now. Their mentality is like "If I don't die, I don't lose!"

During the Preview weekend, there was a W/N warrior on my random team who only played the first game and then he just left his warrior in the game for no reasons. The irony of this is that my random team won 4-5 games with only 3vs4. This W/N actually came back and talked to us after 5 games! What a dick and then he just left.

I can't wait to see some punishment on those quitters!

jibikao

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

28 Mar 2006 at 17:35 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karmaniac

/signed

But I don't agree with losing money. I'd agree with losing faction and fame (and thus losing rank). Also it could be made so that if you go awol you wouldn't be allowed to join any type of pvp for say- 2 hours?

Or Anet could go capital punishment on them. Nothing like a message saying: "Your character Xxx Yyy has been found guilty of cowardice and has been executed (deleted). May Dwayna have mercy on your soul."

Mmmmm, I am not sure if faction or fame can really punish those who just join the game and leave. Obviously they don't really care about any of the stuff. I think those who keep joining a game and leaving should be WARNED by A.Net with an email or something.

For more causal quitters, faction/money/fame penalities are fine. They don't bother me anyway.

What I also want to see is a system where we CAN see our party members' "Credit Score", much like your credit history. This simple chart shows how many times this character has died, left the game and things like that. Those who want to form a great team will be able to check out their "credit score" before making the team.

I also would love the "Kick Out" system. Something like if the player joins a game either PvP or PvE and that party has not issued any command like moving or attacking/running for 3mins, the game kicks the person out and in the next round (if lucky), one random player gets added on to the team.

Lonk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Gwonline Guild [GWO]

N/R

28 Mar 2006 at 17:41 - 38

/sign

I completely agree with the need for a penalty, but not just here, there are too many leavers everywhere, even normal pve in Prophecies is a pain with pickup groups.

Arenanet needs to put in some sort of penalty rules that apply to all forms of teamplay, or rather vary depending on of its pvp or pve.

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

28 Mar 2006 at 18:17 - 39

Simple time penalty is all that is needed. They may hurt that one game but there will be many more games played during that time he/she is out of it. If you have valid reason then a 15 minute wait is not a big problem to deal with. By the time you log back in the time limit will be over or almost over.

Taking faction away hurts people that had a power cut or disconnect or other valid excuse.

Gold does absolutely nothing if he doesnt have any to start with.

jibikao

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

28 Mar 2006 at 18:18 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

Simple time penalty is all that is needed. They may hurt that one game but there will be many more games played during that time he/she is out of it. If you have valid reason then a 15 minute wait is not a big problem to deal with. By the time you log back in the time limit will be over or almost over.

Taking faction away hurts people that had a power cut or disconnect or other valid excuse.

Gold does absolutely nothing if he doesnt have any to start with.

Man, this is one of the best solutions I've heard! Yeah, Time Penalty. If A.Net found out somebody who just keeps joining and leaving the game, that person will get warned first and if he just keeps doing it, Time Penalty is the best way! I am sure that person doesn't care about fame/money/faction points.