OMG ANET, Get Rid Of Those New Uber Collector Items

For example, there are now:

20%/20% ONE-HANDED air wand <-OMG

-5 20% +30 always req9 strength shield <- HOLY SHIT ARE U CRAZY ANET?


Which other uber collector items did you found? Tell here!

You are kidding, right?

Collector items have always been max, with max mods. This emphasizes Anet's point that you don't have to farm to do as well as someone who does. The main value of farming is in getting high mods on gold items.

Those are existing mods on gold items. They are no more overpowered than their gold, hyper-rare-skinned forms.

Man, if there is a Fire Wand variant of that Air Wand in factions, the price of Rago's Green wand just took another freefall. Likewise for Brohn's Holy Rod and healing.

you know, that there is...

NO 15^50 collector sword

NO PERFECT ENCHANTED SHIELD

... on prophecies!

And there IS a 20% one handed air wand on prophecies, but NOT a 20/20.

There's been a 15^50 collector long sword at Drok's for quite some time now. As of the latest balance update (Griffin nerf), there are even 15^50 axes there too.

droks is not collector

droks is 5k+materials - even cheap too, but not for 0 gold -.-

and droks only got ugly styled weapons (except hammer)

There are more too. Saw a 20/20 death yesterday together with a 20/20 divine. I thought 20/20 wands got nerfed or something. o.O

Ha ha. Good thing I didn't decide to fork over the 25-30k for Rago's wand yesterday.

EDIT: I love how the collectors have stories now! I would love it if they updated the Tyrian collectors with stories of their own. (Why the heck does Luven Underwood want Minotaur Horns anyways? More importantly, why the heck is his last name Underwood?)

[sarcasm]By chapter 3 they will give everyone every potentially useful item in the game in pre-searing (req 2 of course) and give everyone 99 of every dye so they can customize their colors too. By chapter 4 they will remove the trade button since there will be no point in using it anymore and hand everyone 250 ecto and shards for fow armor.[/sarcasm]

Way to further nerf the economy.

I dont mind some collectors items, hell people need a chance to be somewhat competitive. However putting every possibly useful combination together in a collector item that is just a hop skip and a jump away is just plain silly.

Forgive me if i am not new person friendly, but I had to go through the times where most everything was over priced and I made it out just fine (without ebaying my way through). I figure most everyone else here did too, why make things so easy on every new person that comes in?

I understand that PvE is supposed to lead to PvP and all of that, but when you keep getting rid of everyones reason to even bother with pve beyond skill hunting and stories few people care about past the first playtrough, people wont enjoy the pve aspect long enough to even make it worth having.

The market is part of the game that keeps some people playing longer than they would pvp (myself included) It is a social aspect of the game I enjoy (when im not just randomly talking). The interaction with the other people, finding that nice item that some other person might have, trying to haggle down the price. Yore talking that all away with this.

[self-defense]Oh and before people call me a mindless farmer and the like, I enjoy killing enemies, doing missions and the like, but if we didnt have the prospect of getting a somewhat unique or otherwise somewhat valuable item, we all know there would be FAR fewer people playing pve or even bothering to move from pve to pvp (since the game is so quickly beatable).

Oh and before everyone else decides to tell me to get ffxi or wow if i love grinding so much, I cant due to 56k and besides Im not a grind lover, I just like to enjoy my pve and not have to worry about the crying over pvp balancing or the leets vs noobs and all of that.[/self-defense]

[rant]Its funny that anet worries about grinding in pve so much, when the real grind (in my eyes) is in the pvp areas for faction and fame/rank. Dont those on both ends of the game run one cookie cutter build or another? Why do you desire so much to nerf any potential gain from hours of playing pve when you dont bother with that same idea in pvp?

im just fed up with everything i hear these days about all of this <_< sorry if i offend people.[/rant]

-Ex0dus

Keep these please Anet! Remember the casual gamer...

We don't know what ultra rare Gold items will be in Factions, do we?!? [/quote]

Correction, an Auction House will put an end to this... and scammers too.

Sorry, I don't feel like having to spend hours finding an honest seller.

If you enjoy it, then what's the prob? There will still be uber Golds!

But can you sell them to chap1 only people?

Unless they make a bunch of new mods, all gold combinations will be basically pointless. You can find them in greens that are easy enough to get or collectors. Im not paying 100k for a skin, id rather pay it for something somewhat practical.

An auction house wouldnt get rid of all of the immediate sellers. Alot of people wouldnt want to wait that long to get their money, and unless there was an auto delivery system, people wouldnt want to wait that long for the item to get to them. BTW, was the auction house thing confirmed to be in the next game? Last i had heard it was still (a very popular) suggestion.

I wonder what it is youre buying, because besides one attempted scam (item switch) all sellers have been fair with me (at worst they charge ignorant prices). If people dont pay attention to the price of things thats their fault, not the fault of the honesty of the seller. Auction houses (unless every auction were linked) wouldnt solve this since youd still have to look all over to find what you wanted.

More to the point, I used to enjoy it more, enjoy it less now (due to the ever expanding collector/easily acquired green series), and if everything is collector-ized there will be no ejoyment. As is right now things are worth nothing or 100k+. No middle class at all. Sad.

Yes lets hand everything to the casual gamer. Lets not make them actually earn anything, or really even get that big of a sense of accomplishment out of anything either. In otherwords, lets make it all pointless.

Like i said, I dont mind that collector items are max, and contain some good mods. They contain mods that allow for some great flexibility in general builds. However, when you hand the casual gamer access to everything on a platter, (especially in PvE) and allow them to run the most maximized versions of any potential build without putting much work in it at all, thats where my problems are at.

In pvp, none of this matters since they have access to basic maxed items anyway, so noone give me the sob story about how they want everything as competitively even as possible (since thats the only place such differences really matter).

Take the sense of accomplishment away from people and they wont play anymore (whether in pve or pvp), simple as that.

-Ex0dus

You all realize that they may get nerfed after the real Factions starts because we are *lvl 20s at the start of the game, ffs*. I doubt that they'd offer that kind of stuff to newbies. I also doubt that newbies would ever make it to House Zu Heltzer on their own anyway.

True enough, but if the collector items arent changed from their current state, does it matter whether or not they can get to the area where the collector actually is? Of course not, people will deviler it to them the second they have accessible storage for rock bottom prices (whatever factions equivalent of post-searing is). Still killing whatever is left from this thing we like to call an economy.

-Ex0dus

Finally! Strength shields! Hallevuyah!
Too bad its -5(20%), +30 health always

I much prefer a +45 health, -2 while in stance (req. 9 strength)
Please ANET, PLEASE!!!!!!

I think you have a valid point Ex0dus, but I also like this game because it rewards the casual player. As everyone knows, Anet has always stated that it's skill over time spent playing but they do have some pretty good items that can only be gotten from drops (such as a +5 energy > 50 wand with 10% skill recharge).

Maybe they could make such collector items harder to obtain (such as bleached shells in Prophecies).

But with these new collector items, we might also see even better items that the collectors don't have.

Now, if only they'd let us mod those wands.....

Screw the "Gold" only attitudes. I for one am glad about these collectors, that means that real GOLD w/ PERFECT STATS AND RARE SKIN become much more appreciated due to its rareness and the market wont be filled w/ these semi baked items. I made it out ok w/ the expensive era, but these collectors have to stay, absolutely no sense to take them out just cause you have intentions of making money out of golds. I for one love to sell, but if it means having the best stuff for free? I'll take it. Have you seen the collector items? have you seen the new weapon skins? collectors will always look like crap compared to the rares, its just a matter of who looks cool and who just wants to be effective. Heck I had a victo bulwark and a carapace stance shield, I sold the bulwark due to the carapace shield being simply more practical.

Considering max mods were always obtainable on pvp/collector before... how is this any different? The 'all' you speak of, the point of the game per se, was to amass personal skill, not to try and derive an advantage through equipment. The 'achievement' of finding a 15 in stance crystalline is in prophecies, no? Even though there is a collector with the same mods, trading for the extremely common troll tusks.

Enough with the overreaction...

Um... dude these are only available during the preview event so I'd go and grab your ragos wand now because chances are they wont be so easy to get when factions comes out.
Everyone starts at lvl 20 with max dmg equipment so anet decided to give players stuff thats a bit better for them to get. Sounds fair to me.
Oh and by the way the economy isn't ruined because you can't get the items to Tyria and they will all get deleted when the event's over

You will see these collector's items stay once Factions is released. PvP items of equal stats have already started appearing (like the shield) and the collector's will help offset the gap between what the PVP character gets instantly and a PVE character can achieve without spending 1000k on a fire wand.

I love the new collector's items!
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You seem to forget. Guild wars isn't about who has the best item. So if collectors have such great stat items. I'm all for it. I don't want to be forced to pay for an over priced "Uber Longsword of Noob Slaying" for any of my characters. I don't think any weapons, shields, offhands, etc. With decent mods should be exclusively available to the people who have lots of gold. This way lets everyone have a shot at getting good items for their character without having to waste a fortune of gold.

That's incorrect. Items that are in your bags, etc. Will be removed. There is NO confirmation that the weapons the collectors sell are temporary.

Cudos Anet! Further proof that they listen to their customer base. Now all we need are some collectors that hand out the seperate mods so people don't have to dish out several hundred plat for a customized weapon.

BTW: on the casual gamer front: we now have to work for the collectable items, we don't have to farm for a week anymore just to get 1 weapon. Plus, there's finding the collector, getting to them (which might not be so easy in the release version; they're showing off atm, and rightly so )

This being the point I was making before. People don't want to be forced to pay extremely large amounts of gold for equipment. As for getting rid of them. The people who actually want them gone are the greedy people who farm for items in order to take advantage of the people who can't find or farm for the equipment they need. Sorry overly priced item sellers, economy is getting a kick in the rear it needs.

[QUOTE=NinjaKai]This being the point I was making before. People don't want to be forced to pay extremely large amounts of gold for equipment. As for getting rid of them. The people who actually want them gone are the greedy people who farm for items in order to take advantage of the people who can't find or farm for the equipment they need. Sorry overly priced item sellers, economy is getting a kick in the rear it needs.[/QUOTE]

QFT

/AND DOUBLE SIGNED FOR GOOD MEASURE

um EVERYTHING on your character will be wiped when the even is over..all the items, all gold, all levels and even the armour will go back down from 60ac to the basic newbie armour....(though you wont notice and visual difference, they will look exactly the same i guess)

and whats wrong with them letting us get a taste for the good collector items now?
dont forget, that valley (pongmei) will be a low-middling area again once the game goes live...between the Marketplace and it, theres a whole heaping chunk of City...i think that will be the games version of the PreSear area....

the collectors items we are seeing now will be tha same style and skins, but the stats will be max *for that areas level*
the full max stuff will be in harder to reach areas...the Factions equivelent of the Desert....it will take a few months at least for the running buisness to get there.

they are showing us them now, to whett our appetite for them, make us want them more once the game goes live...

besides....why shouldnt PvE get max items...it allows us to compete against PvP eventually. just remeber....we wont get them *Right at the start.....only when we get thru to the end-game starting areas....*

they will be starting in the Factions version of accention areas. no in their version of Old Ascalon, for goodness sakes!

/quadruple signed at ninjakai. I hate Prophecies and how its so easy to "solo" anywhere you want for cash. Factions makes it hard to do anything without a teamwork-based group. No 4-man-farming-omg-gold-green-roxor-i-pwn-you crap. Go A-Net!

These Items are NOT very strong at all.

They have fast casting. No spike team wants fast casting because it will offset the spike. Your greens are safe because they have recharge only.

This maybe the pve GOD weapon for pvp these are just junk. Give me a +5 energy 10% recharge all spells wand anyday.

if you all are right, why the hell did anet remove the +45/-2 enchanted shield ?

think about...

too right twicky...

not everything in PvE is good for PvP....and that the way it should be.
but a handfull of good for both items is what we *should* see, and more that are usefull for PvE...
after all, thats what some of us are looking for..i for one like the collector items.
and unless theres a snowball arena, i wont be using anything from a collector in PvP.

however, greed wil always be there....just rember, farmer sellers ect....that *Unique* and *rare* skins will always be worth more...whats to stop yoyu selling them?

oh, right.....some of us dont care about getting an Uber FDS or IDS.....and then you might not make all the nice profit you do now....
hey, come on, dont tell me you lot dont have the lobes for buissness?!

the thing is:

+30 -5 20% is TOTALLY without any conditions. this is just a shield u can use EVERYTIME EVERYWHERE. EVEN ALWAYS IN PVP.

think about. that's why it should be damn rare IN MY opinion...

well its not rare..*right Now*

but once it goes live, it will be for a few months....
then it will show up for sale all over for a few months, then something similar, but with a new rarer skin will turn up, and only the peeps with no cash or who love collectors will be getting the collectors items...

yay more items that are better then their pvp counterparts. Time to grind my pve characters up to perfection so i can use them with these new items for pvp.

come one guys, this collectors shield is imho better (even as good as) victos bulwark which u only get through trading or playing uw2.

I wont play uw2 anymore then...

Er... get a grip. Superior golds to those collector items have been available for ages. If anything, make these items more wide-spread. GJ on that Anet! Now fix the damn double skills, its annoying!