Merged: Annoying "Chinese bots" in droks

i formally retract any complaint i had to the thousands of Mo/W's eating up our resourses...they were very friendly and were very willing to powerlevel both of my low lvl characters for free

This kind of comment typifies the community here in GW. Someone has a valid complaint or gripe against cheaters (yes using a proxy to play the game for you is cheating to all those idiots who say bot using isnt cheating) and comments flood in like this, saying we dont care, or we think its fine or some other irresposible imature bull.

Its a shame whenever someone has a complaint it is swept under the table and lost amongst the other posts.

Its also a big shame Anet dont take any part in these forums, even just a little comment like "yeah we know about it and we have a team working on anti bot scripts atm" or at least something other than the usual "we know about it and are looking into it but you paid for the game, and we agreed to provide fair servers for you to play on but why the frell should we tell you what we actually DID to sort it out, mind your own chuffing business and dont ask again cos your gonna get the same automated 'bot like' response from anet support."

Theres only one place this game is heading and it aint to diffrent from counter strike IMHO.

I don't accept the idea of making a real life profit 24/7 in a game where you suppose to have fun and relax. No matter if its a real player behind bot or a script program. But quoting Gaile Gray Cantha [March26th, 2006] post Devs are planning "Unpleasant deaths for farmer bots" ...whatever that exactly means it sounds very interesting.

When was the last time you met a friendly bot? If the so called bot was friendly and helpful, it wasn't a bot. I'm not saying that there aren't bots out there, but I think the majority of the 'bots' people see running out and farming are just people playing the game. They may not be your typical players, but they are players nonetheless.

Bots or not, if they are from the asain server (and not americans with asian names) coming over to the american server to farm then is that right? If the economies are seperate between the seperate servers then should it be alowed to have them taking from our economy to feed their own? How did they enter our servers anyway? Use a third person program to access it or buy an american account? How bad must their server be economy wise and farming wise for them to have to come over here? I suppose it doesn't help any that Nsoft's HQ is in Korea.

you can change your account 4 times to euro to american and so forth.

They're mostly in the International Districts. You cannot go into American Districts with an Asian account and vice versa.

Whats so bad about them? They just like to farm thats all... their playing style is different from non-farmers thats all. Also, it use to be so difficult to find perfect mods but now i can find and buy them cheaply. Win-win situation i see here.

Look what i just found in drok, im so annoyed

WTB, WTS... now WTO???

I avoid going to dorks dis 1 because of ppl spamming the chat/trade channel.

He wasn't talking about the bots, to fill you in. Bots wouldn't accept an invite, they would just keep running. All these 'bots' you see are mostly just Chinese farmers who want to go about their business.

Don't know why any of you would find these people you call "bots" annoying. Yes, they farm for most of their day. Yes, they spam through the trade channels. If you don't want to see them, switch districts. They just do their own thing without even bothering anyone. If what they're doing is illegal, then let Anet handle it. I'm sure they will make sure justice will be done to the best of their effort (whatever effort they can give). Some of you would claim that Anet isn't doing their job just because these Chinese/Korean "bots" are still around, but are you claiming that assertion just because those "bots" are still present? We have just cleared up that a lot of them aren't bots; that they respond and play(farm) like regular people. So maybe some of you are claiming that Anet isn't doing the job just because these "people" are still around. R4C157, much?

It's a big disappointment really, to see some really idiotic responses in this thread where some people show little understanding of the situation and then go join the "Chinese bots are annoying" bandwagon. It doesn't matter if some of you were joking around, were not serious, or were serious when making your ignorant responses, because there is seriousness and discrimination lying somewhere in your words.

Besides, troll farming is crap. It doesn't matter how many people, who is farming them, or when they are farming them. If some of you are "annoyed" by the "fact" that these "bots" are ruining your chance of getting "quality drops", don't, because it's not a fact. If you want to farm trolls, no one's stopping you. Stop acting like someone is.

I know you dont get it and it seems you support these cheats.
They are very annoying being on our server for one.
They Spam the All / trade channels with useless and worthless overpriced crap.
They come up to you and force you to buy unid weapons and runes that are very overpriced saying you might get a Sup vigor or Absorsion for 6k,when every genuine player knows those runes only contain major runes on 95% of the time even if they are gold.

Simple lets keep them so they can ruin our economy and game.

Tonight i tested how many of these "bots" would allow me to join them. Almost every single one. You zone, they go about there business. Good way to get power levelled.

They also try to chat with you, god knows what it's about, but they try. Silly folk.

Have you been to Droks(American District) any district on any given night or day

Yeah now that I checked it out they are almost all in the international district and I forgot all about being able the change country..and I say by the number of people chatting away there isn't that many bots (if any).

In response to the shinrin post
So using a proxy is cheating by GW's own description. Economy is not what it should be as so many idiots state "i dont care cos i can buy perfect items cheap now", or "i can get powerleveled by them so there fine by me".(at a great loss to gameplay as it should take a player hours to get these perfect mods but bots make them common and worthless)

Look at it this way - i dont cheat i dont use bots and i have spent over 1500 hours in GW and only ever found a small handful of greens, now my greens are worthless because of farmers making them common, so all my hard work and playing the game fairly gives me little or no reward when i finally do find a good item. How is it that so many players say bots dont affect them?? are you thick????

Yes they spam but not through trade channel, and if you took the time to go see instead of throwing your oppinions here without any kind of research you would realise they dont spam the trade channels, THEY SPAM LOCAL CHANNEL, they force anyone using the district to have to mute the local channel or leave - so you say if you dont like it change district - why the frell should i change district because of bot using cheaters spamming the local channel, why should spammers get priority over fair players?????????

ps. i dont care if the bots are run by chinese brits or americans, the fact remains GW/Anet does little or nothing to stop them other than nerfing areas weeks after they have been farmed 24/7, thus penalising fair farmers who actually dont use bots.

Why do you think there wont be a person watching the machines with bot programs running, ready to respond like a player if the bot ever gets questioned etc. (one player could watch a number of machines to make sure the bots are working and to make it appear like they are actualy real players). Maybe instead of blindly believing Anet are doing anything, but refuse to ever tell us what they have done you should use your head, take a look, do a little research etc. And return with an informed oppinion rather than one that seems is made purely to tell anyone who dislikes the fact that GW is plagued by bot users to go eat their own words cos their not bots at all, and they dont effect anyones game.

All Anet has to do is chuck in a mesmer or 2 among the trolls that will cause the real players to do some fancy fighting, and the bots will fail :P

Oh my god! They open a trade window with you! BACKED INTO A CORNER! No...way...out...have...to buy....rune!

Get serious. They don't force you to do anything. If anything, you don't get "it". These guys are just mostly regular farmers. They don't ruin our economy at all, I think you're just looking for a scapegoat. As far as I can tell, these guys have very minimal effect, if any at all. Aside from "forcing" you to buy a rune, what else do they do to ruin our economy?

Also, in reponse to the guy who said that his greens were worthless now:
Greens were meant to be decent weapons that almost any player could obtain, even the new players. If they weren't meant to be so damn cheap, Anet wouldn't have made S.F. so easy to farm.

This is just getting silly now, so lets clear up some common doubts -

BOTS - Automated scipts/macros that perform pre-recorded/programmed tasks such as going to position X attacking monster Y, using skill Z in a set pattern. From what I have read about them, these are used by certain "companies" and numerous copies of these bots are run at the same time and supervised by a single person.

Using automated scirpts is NOT legal by the End User Licence Agreement.

FARMERS - There has been great amout of debate (well, more like flaming) about its actual defination, as some people do it for "fun" some for "the challenge" but the majority still do it for the "loot."
This, belive it or not, includes all 55hp monks, wammo etc with no regard to race or colour.
It is speculated that some "chinese companies" employ people to run these farmers for long perids of time and sell the gold generated through these means on EBay and other "MMO Gold" sites.

But these activites are also conducted by American and European individuals, though in a much samller scale.

I would also like to point out that there is very little impact on the economy as a whole because of one section (such as the chinese farmers) as there are many more "general" farmers who are working their way to FoW armor or whatever perfect weapons they wish to posses. That being said, the real economy curruntly is restricted to a few perfect weapons with really rare skins (serpent axe etc). These items cannot simply be obtained by general farming.

I have not seen solo farmers in any green-item spawning area (except Kepkhet's Refuge) so there is no point in bringing greens in this. But I would like to say that greens were meant to be cheap anyways, but thats just my opinion.

Edit: "Mend Typo" spamage.

What I don't get is what are intangible, such as: "they are annoying", "ruins the economy", and "ruins the game" because I have yet to see why. What I DO get though is how some people might fear that Anet will nerf the troll area do to these bot/farmers and how there's an increasing hatred towards Chinese (might I add that Taiwanese are included in this category) in GW. Maybe YOU don't get it and are just joining the bandwagon. And I support these cheats, eh? How wrong can you be? Look what you made someone believe that they just HAD to send me a PM: (was a PM of some loser trying to sell gold for cash before mod deleted it)

Hahahahaha... yeah... mod, ban please.

The economy is affected by many elements in this game, not just by farmers or botters. Besides, if these were really Chinese and Korean farmers/bots, lots of players will have a difficult time understanding them to even complete a deal. And as far as I can see, perfect mods on weapons are still worth a lot. Maybe you're the one who should do research.

So you're saying from farming all the way down in Droknars, these farmers/bots are reducing the prices of the greens you get from all the way down in the new Tombs, Sorrow's Furnace and the new Queen down in desert? Right... Maybe you forget these "fair farmers" or I'd like to call them, fellow players, also farm for these greens.

My dear apologies for excluding the other channels, I realize the ways of my errors... but fact remains that there is still floods of spamming. So I said if some of you didn't like it, you can change districts. Yes, that's right. Isn't that easier than complaining in multiple threads in multiple forums just to get Anet's attention so they can change something? What's easier? The change of a district or hours wasted on typing text to get Anet's attention? How many emails/complaints/threads-to-get-Anet's-attention do you think springs up everyday? I don't think I have to do research on this one.

P.S. Read the second-to-last line of my previous paragraph. I agree though, that it is pretty sad that Anet has to reduce to nerfing an area just because of farmers/botters. Hey, you never know, maybe if there's a massive decrease of players emailing for support, complaining, and trying to get Anet's attention, maybe their development team can use some of that saved time to come up with a scheme to ruin professional farmers/botters.

Hmm. You make it sound like you know how bots work. Or, are you just pulling these 'facts' from a rabbit's hat? Rather than jumping to conclusions about how I think, why don't you give me an expert analysis of how significantly these farmers/botters/people affect the enjoyment of GW, and solid proof that ALL of these are not real players? And you do not have to worry, I use my head everyday.



No links, please. -Swampgirl
Edit: Sorry.

They already did that (or so it may seem), but the trolls kill them before you can even get close enough...

Regarding the sweatshop comments - this may be the only work these people can get, however dreadful it may be by our standards the alternative for them may be much worse.

Yeah but its illegal, maybe some people try thievery thats illegal too and also that wont be allowed so...

What they do with their time is none of your business and it doesn't affect you in anyway. It doesn't stop you from playing. You're drops will decrease if YOU farm in 1 location too much. It has nothing to do with anyone else. With your logic NO ONE would be able to find anything anywhere if EVERY SINGLE PLACE was crowded with farmers human or bot. They don't annoy anyone. In fact it's probably the other way around.

Anyone doubting that there is bot farmers in droks, check this out. This was about 10 mins after the servers come back up from the maintenance.

No posting names - Swampgirl

I counted 20 Mo/W all called long something and none would give a reply even though a lot of different people were saying things to them. I'd always been unsure about bots but that is proof to me. I dont care what anyone says...that is no standard guild meeting up.

Anet should take note of all those account names and monitor/stop them.

I had my monk at Droknar's Forge last night and was getting pissed because of all of these idiots asking me if I was a bot. I just ignored them. Oh, by the way, my IGN is 'Long Fellow'.

Seriously, wouldn't you get a little tired of people constantly whispering you asking if you were a bot when you're doing some farming? Would you respond to each and every one (or any, for that matter)?

same here, they even bought scrolls

And you had another 19 people all with the same sort of name, same profs and sharing the same few guilds with you too? No didnt think you did.

There is a difference between 1 or 2 people being mistaken and 20 monks who were somehow connected.

to me i dun really care if they ban the bots are not there just free power lvling to me =P. another thing, like gunbound why dun they spend ppl who read on fourms to search for realsed bot or any cheating program, look into there coding then patch it so if any bot or any 3rd party program is realsed to the public it would be patched. shure dosen't kill all the botters but a good % is better than nuthin, only like a 10 secs download update anyways

What I get a kick out of is people who are ignorant enough to think "stop whining...my farming doesn't interfere with anyone else way of playing". Guess what? YES IT DOES. It already has been proven that excessive farming does have a negetive impact on the economy and now that I know that the economies between the different servers are all one economy, then people should care about what other nations are doing. There has been a quote posted atleast twice on these forums taken from an ANet employee durring an interview that specifically says excessive farming brings in a surplus of gold affecting prices as a whole....this forces others to farm just to keep up.

no one force you to farm to keep up,

all the collector item is cheap, so as the green item and you dont need fow armour to be competitive.

Well, I had hoped that by starting my second comment with 'seriously' that you might pick up the fact that I was being sarcastic. Oh well...

My point remains the same, however - someone not responding to whispers does not make them a bot.

HOLY HELL FREE POWERLEVELING?

Man I got to try this!

I just assumed they were bots because they ALWAYS seem to take the same path.

We have alot of idiots who feel they should be part of a policing force or atleast do what's right. Then again, alot of people just can't mind their own damn business and get on w/ the game. If you feel that its affecting the economy, then do something around it and make your own fortune, bitching online wont help you, honestly it wont. The only thing these "bots" are doing is allowing more items to be available ingame therefore less rarity and prices are driven lower, last time I checked, thats a good thing. Alot of these complainers are mainly mad cause they can't sell their crap anymore, they can't get money. Its more incentive based really, not for the good of the game.

If you go to international district, its your own damn fault. Yes in american districts its getting worse, but honestly, you can find your way around it, its not hard.

If ANet want to cut a load out, ban the [love], [fei], [ECTO] and a few other guilds

I just did it with my lvl 16 female mesmer...funny as all get out.

Sad thing is, these guys are not that great. Then again, maybe I was messing with his routine. But I am sure he took me because I was playing a girl. I would post a ss but I'm too lazy.

After 2 runs I got this,

Sweatshop Farmer: kiss
Swaetshop Farmer: lol
Sweatshop Farmer: love Kiss

I had to laugh.

This is where all the EBay Gold must come from!

It was amazing to be in Droks international district 1, stand by the front door and watch my radar map - endless streams of Wammo's and mostly monks came running for the front door.

Watching, it seems like all they do is troll farming. Rinse and repeat ad nausem.

The message spamming in chinese (or whatever) was so fast that if it were in english I could not have read it. Obviously a hot little market place going on.

At $60 per million GW gold you have to kill a lot of trolls to make a living.

BTW: Several english speaking people there buying stuff also, everybody wants a piece of the action.

20 characters, same class, names all start with the same thing? WOW, BOT ALERT!!!

How about not. People have done similar things before. For what? FUN. Maybe they wanted to trick gullible people like you. :P But since you said you don't care what anyone says, I'll stop trying to bring common sense into this.

EDIT: Also, they seem like really effective bots. You know, just standing there in town doing nothing...