New PvP System
Opellion
I came from SWG (StarWarsGalaxies) in search of a new MMORPG. in GW i believe the PvP system sucks, compared to wat it is in other games. I believe you should be allowed to walk upto someone and challenge them to a duel on spot, and not have to go into an arena and fight with a group. They should make it more independent, for those who want to have some fun.
obvlexi
in this game 1v1 it is possible to have a fight go on forever... team strategy is what this game is all about. I believe you are just looking for another game
eagle26
you are absolutely right.. thats the main reason that I don't like this is game is cuz u cant just walk up to someone and challenge someone to a duel.. it should automatically teleport you to the arena and you can duke it out and then just leave arena whenever you want and be put back into the town
Levian Lain
In a competition arena, eventually 3 people died on both sides, leaving me versus an archer. We both ran out of resses.
It led to a long standoff that lasted several minutes, until I died from a combination of arrows.
1v1 fights sometimes lead to something either one-sided (tank vs support character) or a long stalemate of sorts.
Plus, it's more chalenging, fun, and thought provoking when you have to work with a team to reach your goal.
I would say PvP is one of the shining gems of this game, and not something dull.
It led to a long standoff that lasted several minutes, until I died from a combination of arrows.
1v1 fights sometimes lead to something either one-sided (tank vs support character) or a long stalemate of sorts.
Plus, it's more chalenging, fun, and thought provoking when you have to work with a team to reach your goal.
I would say PvP is one of the shining gems of this game, and not something dull.
Opellion
I understand the team PvP. They should keep that. But like if ur in a mission or something with a friend or walking around exploring. They should allow you to duel people. So can have a little fun.
No mistake about it the team PvP is good. Though a little 1v1 PvP wouldnt hurt anything, would just make the game much better.
No mistake about it the team PvP is good. Though a little 1v1 PvP wouldnt hurt anything, would just make the game much better.
asdar
I'm the last person to post negative posts but I'm glad that the original poster doesn't like the game. Please don't let the door hit you on the way out.
This game allows PvP without ganking and without ruining the PvE side of the game.
1v1 is cool with me, in the arena. If they implement it I'll be there fighting it out.
Allowing people like you that just want to cause trouble in a virtual setting the option to challenge everyone you see is a mistake that I hope they never make.
This game allows PvP without ganking and without ruining the PvE side of the game.
1v1 is cool with me, in the arena. If they implement it I'll be there fighting it out.
Allowing people like you that just want to cause trouble in a virtual setting the option to challenge everyone you see is a mistake that I hope they never make.
Opellion
haha, 1st time ive heard i cause truoble... LOOOOOL! lmaos, well just saying this game compared to all other mmo's does not compare... the best thing about it is the video quality and the fact that its free.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Opellion
I. I believe you should be allowed to walk upto someone and challenge them to a duel on spot, and not have to go into an arena and fight with a group. They should make it more independent, for those who want to have some fun.
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everybody who has that attitude thinks that they are going to be the uber pawner rather than the pawnee
i havent seen one yet who will challenge someone that will beat them
if not being able to go up to someone and gank them is a real fun buster to you go back to wow as i dont see them bringing in the duel system you want
Opellion
loool, 1st of all i hate Gank squads... second WoW is gay. 3rd, if they had that system inplace right now. and i challenged someone id get my ass kicked. You people say things that i have never said... lol... i didnt say id pwn someone, im not like that, im very respectable.
DismalClown
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Originally Posted by Opellion
I came from SWG (StarWarsGalaxies) in search of a new MMORPG. in GW i believe the PvP system sucks, compared to wat it is in other games. I believe you should be allowed to walk upto someone and challenge them to a duel on spot, and not have to go into an arena and fight with a group. They should make it more independent, for those who want to have some fun.
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For those people who want a game where strategy wins the match, Guild Wars is the game for them. This is the first online RPG'ish online game I've played where strategy is actually important. I think they make a great game.
Opellion
WoW SUCKS! and how is making it able to duel a gank? its for fun. I would challenge someone even though i know id lose. It just would bring more principal to this game.
DismalClown
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Originally Posted by Opellion
haha, 1st time ive heard i cause truoble... LOOOOOL! lmaos, well just saying this game compared to all other mmo's does not compare... the best thing about it is the video quality and the fact that its free.
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If you are looking for an unbalanced, grinding gank fest this is not the game for you.
Now I do know what you are saying, this isn't a true MMORPG, and no one said it was. The whole point to this game is arena battles with even teams where everyone is level 20. That's the game. And it won't be the game for all MMORPG fans. We all understand that.
Opellion
yes, i dont like long grinds or gank squads or those things, why u think i quit swg? but the principal of just being able to duel a friend or something 1v1 would be good to have.
DismalClown
Opellion, I appoligize for calling you a ganker. If your point is that you just want one and one fights where all parties are consenting, then I agree with you, that would be fun, but they balanced the game for team play not one-on-one play which I think is a good thing.
PieXags
I must admit, as much as RYL blows, it had a fun PvP system...but at the same time it really REALLY screwed over a lot of people, and pissed off everyone trying to level because they'd be minding their own business only to get slaughtered by the cloaked demon who came over for some raidin' fun. And I will admit, it was fun as HELL to raid the other side.
But that isn't what this game is about, so...deal with it 'eh? I think it would be cool if they just had a giant world FOR PvP, where everyone just roamed around and ganked the opposing team. They could have like red team-blue team, and you join one of the teams when you enter that gigantic map. And each team would have their own cities, trails and what not, and you could just go friggin' raid the hell out of the other side. That is fun, yeah, but not what this game is about. Would be fun for some side dish though, if they could add a huge map like that where just everyone connects and kills everything, but it won't happen.
I like the game how it is.
But that isn't what this game is about, so...deal with it 'eh? I think it would be cool if they just had a giant world FOR PvP, where everyone just roamed around and ganked the opposing team. They could have like red team-blue team, and you join one of the teams when you enter that gigantic map. And each team would have their own cities, trails and what not, and you could just go friggin' raid the hell out of the other side. That is fun, yeah, but not what this game is about. Would be fun for some side dish though, if they could add a huge map like that where just everyone connects and kills everything, but it won't happen.
I like the game how it is.
C-Tzar
The GvG is great, wouldn't change a thing, but I too would certainly love to be able to 1v1 at times. However it should still be confined to the arena or something like it. Nobody should be able to just walk up to someone in town and challenge them on the spot. Random challenges would get annoying in a hurry. Having to go to an areana to duel would hopefully also cut down on the "somebody duel me" spams that got to be so annoying in DAoC. >_<
NiGht_HaWk
GW was made for team based play, not 1v1. The game was balanced for team play, not 1v1. 1v1 would not work out because the game was never made for that. ArenaNet was never thinking about 1v1 PvP, because the game's emphasis was on team-based PvP play.
Aiwahead
People have said this before, so I'll repeat it.
GUILD WARS IS NOT BALANCED FOR ONE VERSUS ONE COMBAT.
In fact, it would NOT be unthinkable (Nor would it even be rare) to get into a fight with another charachter that:
A: You could not possibly win, simply because you are their direct opposite
OR
B: NEITHER of you could possibly win, because you would outheal each others' damage.
Sorry, but it's not happening.
GUILD WARS IS NOT BALANCED FOR ONE VERSUS ONE COMBAT.
In fact, it would NOT be unthinkable (Nor would it even be rare) to get into a fight with another charachter that:
A: You could not possibly win, simply because you are their direct opposite
OR
B: NEITHER of you could possibly win, because you would outheal each others' damage.
Sorry, but it's not happening.
C-Tzar
So many want to spew the same meaningless narrow argument, but are completely missing the point. It's doesn't matter if the classes are balanced for 1v1. Nobody said it was balanced for 1v1s. Nobody said it HAD to be. Nobody said it SHOULD be, least of all me. The balancing needs to stay exactly as it. The game is made for GvG and the balancing should reflect this. Allowing 1v1 battles does not mean balancing has to change. It would still be FUN to put my elementalist against my friend's. Or my Warrior against another one. Who cares what a necro can do against mesmer or if a monk stands a chance against a ranger. If you put your healing monk up against a damage class, you deserve what you get. Choose your battles.
Of all the BS I've heard about why 1v1s should not be allowed, the only two that made ANY kind of sense are:
1) Random 1v1 battles will be pitting classes together that don't make sense. I agree, duels should be strictly on a challenge/accept basis and again, only in an arena to cut down on the "duel me" spam.
2) Allowing 1v1s will make morons cry about classes being unbalanced. This is the only concern I would have, but I would have no problem ignoring the morons if it meant I could duel my friends. As long as the devs don't cave in to them, it's all good.
But sadly the argument I keep hearing the most is crap about unbalanced classes and/or classes that will just go round and round for hours. It doesn't matter! If duels are optional, you can choose your battles or just not duel at all.
And what's even sadder is the number of people that are only going to read part of this and/or not understand my point and simply rehash the same tired meaningless argument back at me again.
Of all the BS I've heard about why 1v1s should not be allowed, the only two that made ANY kind of sense are:
1) Random 1v1 battles will be pitting classes together that don't make sense. I agree, duels should be strictly on a challenge/accept basis and again, only in an arena to cut down on the "duel me" spam.
2) Allowing 1v1s will make morons cry about classes being unbalanced. This is the only concern I would have, but I would have no problem ignoring the morons if it meant I could duel my friends. As long as the devs don't cave in to them, it's all good.
But sadly the argument I keep hearing the most is crap about unbalanced classes and/or classes that will just go round and round for hours. It doesn't matter! If duels are optional, you can choose your battles or just not duel at all.
And what's even sadder is the number of people that are only going to read part of this and/or not understand my point and simply rehash the same tired meaningless argument back at me again.
Zaklex
Stick around long enough and you may get 1 v 1, but it would have to be set up so that the same classes fought each other, otherwise the game isn't balanced for it.
Talizar
classes are not balanced for 1 on 1. It will never happen. NEVER.
If they allowed one on one everyone would whine how it was unbalanced and when they would try to balance it it would ****(f u c k) up the gvg balance and turn this game into wow.
If they allowed one on one everyone would whine how it was unbalanced and when they would try to balance it it would ****(f u c k) up the gvg balance and turn this game into wow.
Jackell
As much as I do think 1 vs 1 duels would be fun, I personaly don't think they should be added in.
C-Tzar, you nailed my point exactly. Morons complaining about the balance for 1 vs 1. I know it's not meant for it, and you know that, but if they added it, then there would be thousands of morons complaining about 1 vs 1 inbalance, and the call for nerfs on characters and skills abound. WE know the game is designed for GvG, but there's an army of idiots who would jump on it like no tommorow and complain all day.
And, knowing these people, as soon as you would give them the response of "The game isn't meant for this" we'd get the response from them of "Well, if it wasn't meant for it, why'd they put it in?"
So you have this army of idiots screaming for nerfs and to rebalance the game for 1 vs 1 because, and everyone's seen this by partying with these people in missions, these people want to be the uber 1337 god of gaming. Every dumbass that want's to be the shining star in every party that gets the whole group killed will be screaming for 1 vs 1 balance.
And Anet has a good reputation to listening to their customer base. IMO, add 1 vs 1's, and that army of idiots will bring the rest of the game down with it.
C-Tzar, you nailed my point exactly. Morons complaining about the balance for 1 vs 1. I know it's not meant for it, and you know that, but if they added it, then there would be thousands of morons complaining about 1 vs 1 inbalance, and the call for nerfs on characters and skills abound. WE know the game is designed for GvG, but there's an army of idiots who would jump on it like no tommorow and complain all day.
And, knowing these people, as soon as you would give them the response of "The game isn't meant for this" we'd get the response from them of "Well, if it wasn't meant for it, why'd they put it in?"
So you have this army of idiots screaming for nerfs and to rebalance the game for 1 vs 1 because, and everyone's seen this by partying with these people in missions, these people want to be the uber 1337 god of gaming. Every dumbass that want's to be the shining star in every party that gets the whole group killed will be screaming for 1 vs 1 balance.
And Anet has a good reputation to listening to their customer base. IMO, add 1 vs 1's, and that army of idiots will bring the rest of the game down with it.
C-Tzar
If they restricted it to those of the same class, I could live with that. I don't think it's completely necessary, but would certainly help avoid class balance whining.
Talizar: Wow, you fulfilled my prophesy even sooner than I expected. And that's very clever getting around the filter like that.
EDIT: Thank you Jackell for taking the time to put together a well written and meaningful argument. The world could use more like you. You're point is the only one that concerns me about 1v1s. I would like to think that the issue could be handled well, but the more stupidity I see both in game and on these boards (not everyone), the more I'm starting to believe that you may be right. I tend to give the rabble too much benefit of the doubt. Wow I'm in a cranky mood today.
Talizar: Wow, you fulfilled my prophesy even sooner than I expected. And that's very clever getting around the filter like that.
EDIT: Thank you Jackell for taking the time to put together a well written and meaningful argument. The world could use more like you. You're point is the only one that concerns me about 1v1s. I would like to think that the issue could be handled well, but the more stupidity I see both in game and on these boards (not everyone), the more I'm starting to believe that you may be right. I tend to give the rabble too much benefit of the doubt. Wow I'm in a cranky mood today.
Jackell
*breaking into a gaming nerd*
w00t for meh!
Seriously though, when someone puts together a well thought out and intelligent argument on a position I disagree with, I try and give them the same level of intellect back. Creates better debates and sometimes we actually may make some progress.
Of course, if someone's entire argument is "OMFG this suxxx cuz I say so", then that's what they get back from me.
w00t for meh!
Seriously though, when someone puts together a well thought out and intelligent argument on a position I disagree with, I try and give them the same level of intellect back. Creates better debates and sometimes we actually may make some progress.
Of course, if someone's entire argument is "OMFG this suxxx cuz I say so", then that's what they get back from me.
Rahne Sinclaire
Fighting my mirror was about as much 1v1 that I could handle... that's all I really have to say. ^^;;
I guess a 1v1 Arena would be alright, though...
I guess a 1v1 Arena would be alright, though...
C-Tzar
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Seriously though, when someone puts together a well thought out and intelligent argument on a position I disagree with, I try and give them the same level of intellect back. Creates better debates and sometimes we actually may make some progress.
Of course, if someone's entire argument is "OMFG this suxxx cuz I say so", then that's what they get back from me. |
My biggest problem with this whole debate in general is the inability of so many to distinguish (what I would have thought to be an obvious difference) between: "classed aren't balanced for it" and "people would whine about classes not being balanced for it" and even "whiners would make the devs ruin the balance". Most spew the first argument (and assume your an idiot that doesn't know this if you even mention duels) which doesn't matter at all, when the only real problem is the last one. Am I just too pedantic?
Jackell
I think your too.... uhhh.... usingwordsidontknowthemeaningofish....
I've noticed a lot of people do just read someones argument, and basically use it verbatim in arguments that, though they may be a little bit similar, aren't the same, or don't fully read the counter point. As soon as they read a line that they don't agree with they go to quick reply without finishing reading the post.
I've noticed a lot of people do just read someones argument, and basically use it verbatim in arguments that, though they may be a little bit similar, aren't the same, or don't fully read the counter point. As soon as they read a line that they don't agree with they go to quick reply without finishing reading the post.
Tanik
I've always wanted 1v1 matches to be restricted to guild mates only, with no rewards, but simply as a chance to test ones character... this way you could use it to test "worse case scenerios" and "what if scenerios" and with no rewards people who usually complain about class balancing would grow bored with it.. plus with guild mates only, i doubt many people would explode over a guildmate/friend beating them. Id love to see this implemented as a training facility, and not necessarily a full blown new arena feature.
C-Tzar
I don't think anyone disagrees that if there were some 1v1 system that there should be absolutely no reward involved whatsoever.
obvlexi
deathmatch would be better
Jackell
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I've always wanted 1v1 matches to be restricted to guild mates only, with no rewards, but simply as a chance to test ones character... this way you could use it to test "worse case scenerios" and "what if scenerios" and with no rewards people who usually complain about class balancing would grow bored with it.. plus with guild mates only, i doubt many people would explode over a guildmate/friend beating them. Id love to see this implemented as a training facility, and not necessarily a full blown new arena feature.
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Stur
Wow was I the only one that noticed someone dropped the F-bomb in this thread?
xakia
I swear I read something about PVP mission instances too while I was waiting for this game's release. Obviously not in game like I'd of wanted.
Really hope they allow open pvp hunting areas to gank and pvp missions. That'd be pretty fun.
They should set up different factions in the storyline missions and allow us to continue as one of them to compete through these missions. Love challenge.
Really hope they allow open pvp hunting areas to gank and pvp missions. That'd be pretty fun.
They should set up different factions in the storyline missions and allow us to continue as one of them to compete through these missions. Love challenge.
Siran Dunmorgan
One-on-One matches in this game—especially between characters of the same professions—would be inherently flawed.
The game was balanced on a kind of rock-paper-scissors model, so that in general—and yes, I know there will always be specific exceptions to this—any given profession will have another profession that dominates it, and will dominate another profession in turn.
Within any profession, things are about evenly balanced: so evenly balanced, in fact, that duels would be lost by the side that gives up first, not by the side that wins, per se.
Imagine, if you will, the hours that a duel between two healing monks could stretch on.
—Siran Dunmorgan
The game was balanced on a kind of rock-paper-scissors model, so that in general—and yes, I know there will always be specific exceptions to this—any given profession will have another profession that dominates it, and will dominate another profession in turn.
Within any profession, things are about evenly balanced: so evenly balanced, in fact, that duels would be lost by the side that gives up first, not by the side that wins, per se.
Imagine, if you will, the hours that a duel between two healing monks could stretch on.
—Siran Dunmorgan
XxSwOrDxX
actually...not neccesarily..all it takes is someone clicking the wrong skill or making 1 poor decision that could amount to his/her demise...i think a 1v1 arena or are would be a really good idea..i mean look at all the comments from when this thread was put up 
1v1 could help other learn the basis of pvp and can also help tone down skills...i just think a 1v1 could only help..not hurt
1v1 could help other learn the basis of pvp and can also help tone down skills...i just think a 1v1 could only help..not hurt
Myodato
I can't imagine why somebody would want a 1 vs 1 in this game, but that doesn't mean they haven't got a good reason. My experience of 1 vs 1 through Arena etc shows that they're either hopelessly one sided or grindingly well-matched. Compared to the inticate strategies of group PvP, it's a thoroughly tepid experience.
If I do have an argument against including 1 vs 1, it's that too many people would simply start doing that instead of entering the Arena or Tombs. Why give people an option to play the game other than the way it is designed to be played ?
If I do have an argument against including 1 vs 1, it's that too many people would simply start doing that instead of entering the Arena or Tombs. Why give people an option to play the game other than the way it is designed to be played ?
Dred Skullord
Because of the mission based servers, you'll never meet someone outside your team on a mission. Right now, there is no place to 1 v 1 pvp, unless they modify the towns or arenas in the future.
That said, I am hoping that an expansion will designate a server where you can 1 v 1 in some sort of landscape. Better yet, I hope they allow GvG in some landscape other than guild halls. The grind of knocking off mobs in PvE is starting to grate on me already.
That said, I am hoping that an expansion will designate a server where you can 1 v 1 in some sort of landscape. Better yet, I hope they allow GvG in some landscape other than guild halls. The grind of knocking off mobs in PvE is starting to grate on me already.
MasterDinadan
Training facility sounds like a good idea, definatly something that would be nice to add to guild halls.
1v1 duels really wouldn't work though. I'm reasonably certain that no single person that isn't a mesmer could kill me in any amount of time... I can last forever with Ether Renewal and all my enchantments... I've never found myself in a situation where a single player was any threat at all to my life, only when I get attacked by more then one.
I have often ended up in a stalemate situation in the arena. Last night I found myself faced against a W/Mo with everyone else in the enemy team dead... He was attacking me, and I was attacking him, but neither of us was getting any closer to dying. Unfortunatly, he had a rez and I didn't. He managed to rez one of his allies and they won. But if it had just been the two of us, it NEVER would have ended.
1v1 duels really wouldn't work though. I'm reasonably certain that no single person that isn't a mesmer could kill me in any amount of time... I can last forever with Ether Renewal and all my enchantments... I've never found myself in a situation where a single player was any threat at all to my life, only when I get attacked by more then one.
I have often ended up in a stalemate situation in the arena. Last night I found myself faced against a W/Mo with everyone else in the enemy team dead... He was attacking me, and I was attacking him, but neither of us was getting any closer to dying. Unfortunatly, he had a rez and I didn't. He managed to rez one of his allies and they won. But if it had just been the two of us, it NEVER would have ended.