GW needs to keep ppl under lvl 10 out

of Augury Rock. I'm sick of seeing guilds carrying people's level 3 and 4 alts to Augury to ascend. If you're that desperate to cheat buy a Monopoly game and play alone. Don't do it in a CORPG. It's bad enough certain guilds have 3-4 slots of the ladder hogged up with bogus alter names of themselves. Negative Zero, Positive Zero etc etc. If you honestly play thru the missions and get to Augury Rock a little early, fine.

Having a bunch of 20s rush you thru and ascending at level 3 or 4 is totall bullshit and cheats the whole premise of the game and the story. Flame on it won't change my mind. Yes this is my opinion, you don't have to agree with it.

If you don't agree , give me valid reasons why. Not BS like I already did 2 chars the right way and I'm bored. I have 3 chars ascended so far and none had any help to cheat the system.

As long as I don't need to party with them, I couldn't care less.

Let them do what they want, I say. If it doesn't affect my parties or my game-time, it's no biggie.

I don't care about them.
Let them boost themselves as much as they want.
Remember; it's about skill

wtf is it to you Maegi? How does it affect you in any way? You mad that you have to grind through the game? Cant see why someone would get so upset over something that they shouldnt even pay attention too. You have anger issues? Bet you are one to road rage too, if something this so insignificant can bother you that much lol.

Sounds like you have the anger problem my friend. I never insulted anyone or implicated in any way that I was upset or angry. I simply think the game should be played the way it was designed. If ArenaNet wants to add an option to let those of us that have ascended at least once to bypass the storyline and simply ascend then I would not have a problem with that.

Until that happens though, I feel like it's a cheat. People that say it doesn't affect you, you must not be planning to compete on the ladder system. If you do plan to participate in guild vs guild and/or have a guild hall, then it DOES affect you.

I'm not mad and I won't quit playing whether they change it or they don't. I do however, have a right to my opinion. If you disagree with me that's your right too.

Road rage? Yeah I have gotten upset when someone swerves into my lane and causes me to slam on the brakes or endangers my family's lives. Did I chase them and wave a gun at them? No. don't have a gun. Didn't get mad. What this has to do with my original post? Not a damn thing. You brought it up because you want to be a troll. Go back under the bridge.

Sounds like YOUR the one with the anger problem.
Go on Oprah on vent your frustrations there.
Im sure she'll listen and care.

While I understand Maegi's point, And I agree with it to a point. I also feel that it is you choice weather or not you group with these people or not. Who knows after you ascend 3 or 4 characters the right way I could see some of these missions/quest just become a going though the motions experiance, and I think we all can agree that is something this game is never suppose to be. I know that I helped freinds and other people run through the "Ashes" quest soo many times that it is really mind numbing to do anymore... at least unless I solo the whole thing...

Stop the flaming, folks.

If you can't be nice, then don't post.

I was just saying that if something so miniscule could bother you so much that you have to start a post about it in a ranting fashion lead me to believe you would be prone to rage if someone did something real bad to you like accidentally nudge you on the street as you both walk by.

Im reminded of people with obsessive compulsive disorder. But rather it a case of being neat freak its seeing /20 over peoples head that makes you feel comfortable and seeing /4 over the heads gets you going all kooky. Weird. I know.. Its what you really sound like though. Im amazed ive taken time outta my important day to actually respond to this thread and all the kookiness that’s going on here.

Im ending this on a note. I promise you that after I go through the game 2 times with my current characters ill will create one character for the sole purpose of trying to get to the end with the least amout of levels I possibly can. Not cause its cheating, cause I like that challenge. Oh, and I promise ill help someone else to do this that wants to as well.

Ascending multiple characters simply to obtain additional skills for PvP is tedious, and any shortcuts are welcome. I saw a forum post regarding "Lulu the Monk"s level 3 ascension and I saw a lot of "Lulu the Monk's team has held the Hall of Heroes" yesterday. Complaining about people rushing guildmates in this manner is just another variant of "please make the PvP players grind more before they can play", and we've done that discussion to death.

Just a quick question... How can a character get to Augury and still be sooooo low? Wouldn't they at least have leveled up to 5 or 6, even blasting through the missions?

Hmmm, let me see... If you get a 1000 pts per mission and you multiply that by x number of missions, carry the 2, divide by 3... Well you get the point?

Come on. Isn't the level 3 character at Augury Rock just an urban myth? Am I missing something? (Wouldn't be the first time, of course.)

Whats Augury Rock and whats the problem with low level chr's there?

i find this post fun and amusing!!

i still wouldnt mind knowing exactly what the point is here. how does low lvl toons effect anything in pvp? i mean really, can you explain this even further then you have? right now im just understanding that you dislike people assending at low lvls but do not fully explain how a low lvl that has been rushed truely effects you or this game, let alone pvp or pve, well... pve thats a duh, they wouldnt be any help, just fodder fire, but still to the point. please explain just how all this is effecting you or anyone for this matter.

also, on a side note, you do come off bitter in your posts, and i understand why so many are saying so. its not really the subject at hand, but how you speak of it.

and really now, do you actually think road rage only effects you while on the road?

and what exactly is with people falming ones opinon??? whats up with that? i mean really now, cant you be more creative then flameing a guy for just stating how he feels about something? maybe give some imput or some insight on the matter? such childish things makes me wounder if mankind will ever be as one.

Actually I thought so too until I saw a lvl 3 Ranger/Monk running around the Dunes of Despair. I took a screenshot of it too. I would've assumed the missions would have made the person level up or something, unless they walked the whole way.

I find it incredibly odd that what hes posting about bugs him so much lol. There are many other grievances in guild wars and he posts about seeing low levels in high level areas. lol, it cracks me up.

You can get to augury by running from Ascalon City to Sanctum Cay through the explorable zones. I did it with a friend who also started a new character and some henchmen. I ascended at level 11 (I used pick up groups to complete the trials). Maybe I could have done it at a lower level because we did some skill quests for fun...

If you had to build a character for PvP and do ALL of the missions again, a lot more people would say that it cheats the whole premise of "no grind" that GW has.

crap, double post. sorry

You say people should play the game as it was designed.

If you read the back of your cd cover, you'll see the game is designed to put everyone on equal ground in pvp, letting skill matter and not time played.

Running people through the game lessens time played to be competative and as such, doesn't interfere with how the game was designed.

It's not the level 3s that threaten anything. The point is Augury Rock is where you ascend. So the level 3 becomes a level 20 by defeating the mirror. I would not have thought that a level 3 could even hope to beat the mirror, but it happens daily I'm told.

It's the bigger picture that bothered me. I'm not upset that someone that knows the game inside and out can avoid a few missions if they want to. It's the same guilds pushing the level 3s to 20s in a day that are also making bogus guilds to hog all the top spaces of the guild ladder.

I don't know if my guild or your guild would ever be #1, but what I am saying is these 3 or 4 guilds that have made bogus guilds are hogging all the top 10 spots on the ladder.

Thats not game breaking. It's just crap. If your guild is good enough to be #1, then Huzzah for you for doing so. Why do you then need to create 2 or 3 more guilds to hog up more top spots?

It's really wierd. Nearly all MMOs I care, I get all fussy and holier than thou about power levelers...but in GWs it doesn't bother me at all. I suppose it's because the game seems to be more about the journey than the destination

Ummmm, what's Augury Rock?? I'm R/W 11 and this is the first time I've even heard of it....

Frankly, I don't care what people ascend at. They stay out of my buisness, I stay out of theirs. They're not hurting anyone. Why should I care?

And what did you mean by:
? You can only hold one slot in one guild, assuming you only have one copy of GW. If you buy more than one copy for that purpose, I figure you deserve the extra slot, but I don't think that's your complaint.

There's a link on the front page of this site to look at guild ladder standings. Take a peek. Negative Zero was one fo the first guilds to hold the #1 rank. Kudos to them on that. But apparently they got bored waiting for competition and several members bought more copies and made more bogus, meaning its the same people with a new guild name. Look at the names. Positive Zero, Negative Zero and the abbreviations of 3 letter names. You'll notice the same 3-4 guilds have done this and hog all the top spots.

Augury Rock is in the Crystal Desert. You will get there eventually if you do all the missions. Then you have to do 3 quests from there and once you do all 3 successfully, you fight a "mirror" image of yourself. It's not really a mirror as you'll see when you fight it. Once you beat that, you "Ascend", meaning even if you're level 4 when you fight it, if you win, bingo you're level 20. Does this help explain my point any better?

You're right, it doesn't affect anyone. I don't know why I even brought any of this up. No one plays this game to actually compete in PvP or cares about the PvP guild ladder ranking system. What was I thinking?

Sorry I made all the fan bois sweat with anything negative to consider. My bad.

Very good point, and I think it holds true very much so in GW. Good example: I tried to go farm some drake outside of Kryta solo as my E/Me character when I ascended but sadly I couldn't even make it TO the drake ( ) but I recently changed my secondary prof to a monk, changed my build around a little and now not only can I make it to the drake solo, but I'm slayin 5-7 at a time in under 20 seconds. Just goes to show that not all level 20's are equal so if someone wants to ascend early then so be it, it doesn't make them a better character.

Well said

Well, first of all... They can also make it to draknor's forge (or whatever its called), the place after ascention + Dragons lair... but hey, i dont know about you... but most people have to have money / supplies to buy armor and other things they need, so really... its like switching your secondary to get the needed skills... which actually just seems like a waste of time to me, especially considering how annoying it would be (You become the instant target for monsters, dieing in one hit)...

It's not like they do it cause its fun, it's time consuming, and it sucks...

No i don't do this, but i mean... if you have a guild mate that wants to waste that much time getting you up to a skill you need... let them do it, it's their own lives their wasting with boredom...

I personaly find most of the missions to be fun (ESPECIALLY the wall one-first mission), i love to go back there at lvl 20 with all my chars to see how well i fair against those char. I'm sure if i made the right kind of character for it, i could kill them all, but my guys are normaly (Squishy) armor people...

If you can just understand that it's quite pointless, and they probably just want a skill for a pvp character that they NEED for their guild battles... you might be able to understand, and maybe sympathize for them, considering... you're having more fun then they are, and you're not "Dragging" someone through all this boring crap.

**OH yea**, another point to add... if it's a char type that they havent played yet, then they wont know how well these skills really fair in battle, meaning... they're going to suck with their character... and if they've already played it during beta/alpha... then they've already technicly wasted the time with the Same character (which i can agree would be Very boring)

I mean, i've set up many of what i thought to be (Nearly perfect) builds, and then realized that some take to long to cast/ take too much energy for my character... or they're just not workable at all... or don't deal as much dmg as expected, and ect...

So if you had a gun? (Have to ask) lol...

There's no myth about it, people can get to the town after ascention through exploring just as well(Right below beacons perch)-(although really hard), so meh... this game has a fully travable map, which i actually like... its cool going through an area that ive had a mission in...

Thanks Perishiko, for stating something to do with the topic and not resorting to name calling or labelling. I can understand where you're coming from. I enjoyed the storyline a lot personally.

Like I said if they add a button that says "You have ascended on another toon would you like to fight your mirror now?" then I wouldn't be posting. Maybe they will later.

I actually bought this game for both PvE and PvP and would like to be in the top 20 or so one day with our guild. I'd just like to think I'm fighting guilds that are real and only appear there one time. Not 4 different slots of the same guild in the top 10.

After wading through all the unproductive off topic silly and at times rude statements, I felt it important to respond to Maegi's initial post.

Having been in gaming since 96, it is always alarming to see a group of high levels pushing a low level through a process that to some is already easy enough. Why would a group be so willing to shield a baby through the many missions passing up experience, loot and gold? Maybe the first times to see if it can be done but now it is an epidemic....doesn't anyone ask why? Was this common in Beta and those of us who came on board at retail are unaware of it? If the issue is such a none issue then why not?

I think Maegi has a point that so many seem too blind by their self importance in anger management to see. There is a very real issue that is posted on many other boards regarding the growing trend of mirror guild images to hold levels in the PVP Guild Ladder. I think the fact that someone stepped up to bring it to light in an official forum is needed.

There is no true grind in this game. It is fun and I too play for the story not just to reach the end destination. I just hope the end destination isn't filled with one or two guilds who have made any true PVP Guild Rankings a joke by controlling all the rungs with bogus accounts.



Note added ...I wondered what the scam was and I think all the sigils on ebay is the answer. Farming has arrived.

This reminds me of an issue I had with a game called "Crimsonland" about a year ago.

Basically if you did really well in the game your top score would get uploaded to the online database. For a while I was proud to hold the top spots in several levels (out of 50 levels) and a good number of top 10 (scores that show up on the first screen).

Unfortunately soon the cheaters took over, posting absolutely impossible scores.

Plus there was somebody who kept padding the top score. For you see, there was no way to restrict one game account to a single score and the simple act of changing your name was enough to register it as a second person. You had this one really good player whose goal it was to completely wipe the top ten clean of anybody else. Holding the top score position wasn't enough for this egotistical jackhole. He had to ruin it for everybody else.

1. Arkham the Tough
2. Arkham the Wise
3. Arkham the Awesome
4. Arkham the Incredible
etc etc...


Games will always have people who feel a need to exploit the existing rules. The same can be said of what is going on with the Guild Wars ladder. Granted on the surface level we have no proof positive that this is going on (positive zero could certainly be a guild that wants to challenge and beat negative zero) but you can be sure that this sort of thing does indeed happen and some people's egos are just insatiable. We as "mature" people have to get over this and move on.

I'll hold out and hope ArenaNet takes this game seriously enough to at least try to address the issue of the ladder being padded by 2-3 guilds with multiple copies of the game. Not only are they controlling the top ten...they are farming sigils to sell for real money on Ebay. Go do a search for "guild wars sigils" and see for yourself.

I'm not against people selling in game items like weapons or runes or even gold. I just don't want the guild ladder system to be controlled by greedy egotistical guilds exploiting the current system.

I'm glad they made the sigils easier to get now. That will help combat this a little bit. ArenaNet intended the sigils to be challenging to get, but I don't think they anticipated a few guilds greed and the extremes they are using to control the ladder and milk the sigils for real money. Huzzah for capitalism. Bad for the game.

The whole point of this game is fun and fair PvP based on skill, not time played yadda yadda. Well that whole vision is fuxxored while what has been happening since launch continues to happen.

Added: If you look at the ladder, you have the guild's name and then the 3 letter or symbol as it were for some, to further identify the guild. My guild is GDR for game dog radio. So I see that Positive Zero, Negative Zero and Awaiting a Worthy Opponent, are all the same. and there are others. 2or maybe 3 not positive since I can't read Korean or chinese or whatever those symbols are.

Whats funny is now there's a thread about ppl with uber weapons and armor owning newbs in the arena. But this doesn't affect anyone? Eat your words now fan bois. This is a great example of griefing from the same ones rushing people thru the game.

Is this thread a joke? Stop complaining because other guilds own you...


At least don't try to disguise it as a rushing rant. Oh no someone doesn't want to take a week of their life (give or take depending on amount played each day) to get to ascension. THOSE BASTARDS. They've already ascended the normal way, probably multiple times. Not everyone likes doing the same junk OVER AND OVER. If there is a way to skip it then skip it.

So the real thing you're bitching about is them rushing their chars so they can make multiple guilds and hold more ladder slots?!

WOW I think you need to get over it. This is and always will be a game. If they want to buy 3 copies of the game to hold 3 slots on ladder let them. I see no difference in it, I doubt your guild would be on the top 10 list if they only had 1.

Personally, i cant skip levels like that, if i cheat in a game i dont even see the point in playing, its just boring, i dont see why anyone would buy a game just to cheat it. Well, people who do do this, will find them selves bored and will feel as if they just wasted there money and wont even stick with the game long. If you cheat, theres no feeling of accomplishment, u didnt work for it. I personally wouldnt even be playing this game if i were stripped of my feeling of accomplishment.

[QUOTE=MCS]Is this thread a joke? Stop complaining because other guilds own you...

This is prolly the teenage NancyBoy who gives level 20 armor and weapons to his level 8 CHR then whips on the 1st level arena to show everyone how good he is. lolool

I just ran into the most funny argument ever in guild wars. In hells precipice, I went back to help my friend through. There I ran into around 10 people all arguing about the highest GPA you can get in a school.

Wow.

I was just waiting for him and they just kept arguing, swearing at each other, etc. Dont kick them! They made it enjoyable to wait for my friend.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest that some people are skipping through the leveling process by just running to the ascention quest and popping from level 3 to level 20 instantly... well... in 5 hours or so they claim. No skin off my teeth at all. Getting to 20 is not "winning".

That being said, a better design choice would have been to have ascention simply grant 5 levels/skill points. Most people would be propelled to 20, and there would still be the option of showing off by ascending at an early level.

i have never seen people doing this...but then again I had other things on my mind when doing things there

I do find it slightly annoying that people are pushing to ascension in less then 5 levels but its their choice since its there game. I've already gotten 3 of my 4 characters to ascension the regular way, and let me tell you its not that hard, less then 3 days of work really. What really bothers me though is the shortcut to draknor's through lomar. It's really throwing the PvP arena in the beginning and its damned annoying. And don't you even think about posting "Oh stop whinning because you got owned in the arena" because if we switched places you'd be getting owned too.

theres not much point in getting mad about these people using their guild to get there so fast. hardly anyone there will party with a character under lvl 18. i have a me/mo that i got to augury rock at lvl 14. i didnt have help. it was just my 3rd character so i knew all the missions and areas on the way there which made it a lot easier. well i got to augury rock and no one would let me into their group. i decided to get a couple more lvls and get up to 16. there we still A LOT of people that didnt want me even though this game is supposed to be made so that lvl doesnt matter. so if anyone gets there below lvl 10 there wont be anyone that will take them into their group unless they do all the ascencion missions with their guild. then they have to fight the lvl 20 mirror self at below lvl 10 and with no real skill. they will be stuck there until they go out and get some more exp and skill. so its not such a big deal.

Just curious..... I plan on working my way up to the ascention. However, when one picks the other option at the beginning of the game to start as a level 20 for PvP, can they still go through the pre and post searing and do the quests and unlock the skills, or are they just stuck with the arenas?

a pvp char cannot play the pve mode.