Elementalist FiNaLly Is Controled, Be KillED easyly by Mes

Zealot Dang

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

USA, CA

Final Moment [EnD]

Mo/

I 'm Ele/Mes lvl 16, one day, i join Gladiator Arena, i just found out that Ele gave up totally facing Mesmer, he had same lvl as me, he casts the skill BackFire, Sympathy ... (i guess he add it 12 or 13, so the dmg respond of Backfire against me around 100)

I can't cast spell, Attack 's sooo unable to kill him ... wat can i do ... die peacefully?
He uses Illussion to kill my at last

Does anyone have anyway to defeat such this situation?
Compare Ele to Mes .... As result, that guy (mes) just use his Primary skill that can ezly kill me ... i wonder .... Mes 's better than Ele? Guess not, cuz in GW, every profession 's balanced

Does anyone have anyway to defeat Mesmer such this situation?

Zeru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Have a monk remove backfire?

Mesmers are pretty much anti-casters whereas Ele's are there for ranged spike damage. Totally different roles.

Zodiac

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Amicus Reinassance [AR]

Mo/E

Or bring Shatter Hex yourself. Sure you would take damage from Backfire, but at least you would have a chance to win. But if the Me is smart and layer Hex then you are pretty much screwed

Zealot Dang

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

USA, CA

Final Moment [EnD]

Mo/

Shatter Hex myself? i used to think of that

Remove a "Hex" from target ally. If a Hex is removed, foes near that ally take 22-116 damage

From target ally, i don't think i could use it to myself.

Also, it 's again Mesmer Skills Man

I 'm talking about Ele vs Mes .... no choice for Ele

Magus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zealot Dang
From target ally, i don't think i could use it to myself.
Yes, you can cast it on yourself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zealot Dang
I 'm talking about Ele vs Mes .... no choice for Ele Also, comparing only primary professions is not fair. You get secondary professions in this game for a reason. It's like saying "omg warriors are so much better than monks because a pure warrior can easily kill a pure monk!"

ethornber

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

You'll still take Backfire damage from casting Shatter Hex, so be careful of your health.

The easiest answer to being Backfired? Smack him with your wand until Backfire wears off - the recharge time is longer than the duration of the enchantment.

Zealot Dang

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

USA, CA

Final Moment [EnD]

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remember, there is not only BackFire, Empathy too, whether u attack, ur get dmg ...

The way i just think of is to .... Run Away ... until duration of the hex 's gone ... Then use Energy Burn or Energy Trap, stuff like that, drain all his Energy ...

Or using Shatter HEx as Zodiaz said, get close to him, Shatter HEx, so he could get dmg too. After that, he couldn't cast Backfire rite away, Here Ur Chance

Man, every profession is balanced ... i guess

Jijimuge

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

There are several ways to deal with this situation.

The basic strategy would be to prevent backfire from being cast upon you in the first place.

Now, you're an ele/mes, so you can take some skills from the mesmer profession to deal with this kind of thing, and the mesmer packs some skills for use against other mesmers, such as....

1) Carry an interrupt (power leak, power spike, power drain or the like), with the specific one being determined by the points you have in mesmer skills. Remember that even if you have a low skill, these interrupts will still STOP someone's spell, it's just that the secondary effects won't be that major.

Backfire has a base casting time of 3 seconds, so if you notice the enemy mesmer casting it, interrupt it! It messes you up royally if they do get it off, so don't let 'em!

Their casting time will no doubt be faster because of fast casting, so you should have a window of opportunity of perhaps 2 seconds, which is plenty to get an interrupt into....backfire is a slow spell.

Given that you're an ele primary, you probably only want 1 interrupt, as there's really only 1 skill (Backfire) that truly terrifies you, so pick from the various options. They all have their good points.

2) Hex breaker - it's a cheap stance that lasts a long time and causes the 1st hex cast against you to fail. This would really help you. Even at 0 skill in domination it still lasts 60 seconds, and at a cost of 5 energy...well! This one was just *made* for PvP play for people with a mes secondary, in my opinion.

3) As mentioned, take shatter hex. If hex breaker prevents the mes from hexing you with backfire (which would usually be their first spell), then you can shatter the conjure phantasm or empathy with impunity. This on its own will be unlikely to help as skilled mes's will often stack something like conjure phantasm on top of backfire to prevent the backfire from being removed.

4) Denying energy to a mesmer can be tricky as they have some of the best energy regain skills in the game, and most mesmers (given their low energy pool) will take some kind of skill to steal energy in the middle of a fight, thus trying to use energy burn to drain the mes's energy might be tricky.

Myodato

Myodato

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

WOR

Mo/

There are really only two ways to counter a Mesmer. 1) Use your own Mesmer skills 2) Kill him. If, as a caster, you get picked on by a Mesmer, then the best thing to do is hit ctrl + space and hope your team is intelligent enough to do the work for you. When you do get backfired, just think of it as an excuse to let your energy recharge, and hit hard and fast once it ends.

One extra tip for dealing with Mesmers - Signets. Signets don't set off either Backfire or Empathy, so are good for keeping active when pinned down. My favourite is Bane Signet on my Monk, as it knocks down, hopefully interrupting their next spell. Unfortunately, E/Me doesn't have many options when it comes to signets, but you could try Signet of Weariness or Leech Signet. Both would be useful against Mesmers (to either lower his energy or bring yours back up), though aren't great skills in general.

mostro

mostro

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Me/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by ethornber
You'll still take Backfire damage from casting Shatter Hex, so be careful of your health.

The easiest answer to being Backfired? Smack him with your wand until Backfire wears off - the recharge time is longer than the duration of the enchantment. The easiest maybe, but not the best. If you are a caster, you need to get it removed from you or just eat the initial damage when using remove hex. Imagine if I cast backfire on your monk and he stops healing for 10 second while someone on your team is being focus fired. Or if I use echo and cast backfire on two monks on your team and they stopped healing for 10 sec. I think you get the picture...

lightblade

lightblade

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Etereal Guard

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zealot Dang
I 'm Ele/Mes lvl 16, one day, i join Gladiator Arena, i just found out that Ele gave up totally facing Mesmer, he had same lvl as me, he casts the skill BackFire, Sympathy ... (i guess he add it 12 or 13, so the dmg respond of Backfire against me around 100)

I can't cast spell, Attack 's sooo unable to kill him ... wat can i do ... die peacefully?
He uses Illussion to kill my at last

Does anyone have anyway to defeat such this situation?
Compare Ele to Mes .... As result, that guy (mes) just use his Primary skill that can ezly kill me ... i wonder .... Mes 's better than Ele? Guess not, cuz in GW, every profession 's balanced

Does anyone have anyway to defeat Mesmer such this situation? Note, that your second profession is mesmer too. That's a big advantage, there's mesmer skill called Hex Breaker, 5 energy cost, 5 second recharge, Domination tree, it blocks enemy hex and deal damage back to them, with 5 energy cost and only 5 second recharge, you can keep it on you all the time.

Another skill is the mantra of concentration that falls under illusion tree, it prevents yourself being interrupted, it becomes very useful since elementist's skill require so much casting time

Raiddinn Beatdropper

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

What is this 1 vs 1 stuff?

Also, the reason to have a secondary class is to make up for some of the weaknesses of your first class, so if your first class is totally hosed by some random spell, then look to your second class to get rid of your weakness, thats what its for.

Tsunamii Starshine

Red Locust

Red Locust

Site Contributor

Join Date: May 2005

If you're an elementalist going up against a mesmer, you're pretty much screwed. As a mesmer, I always carry backfire and phantasm, 2 interrupts and 2 energy drains/burns, since I know that eventually backfire is gonna run out and the ele is gonna try to come at you full force. Monks are a little trickier to interrupt, but ele's are just sitting ducks. If you get arcane conundrum cast on you, you better say your prayers cause you're not going to get any spell off. The best tactic is to run away or try to lose the attention of the mesmer, since any mesmer worth a damn can take out an ele easily.