quick question: 'poisoned' vs 'on fire'

Venom

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Calgary, Canada

Idiot Savants

What would cause more damage to a player, having no resistances to either.... setting them "on fire" for 2 seconds, or having them "poisoned" for 2 seconds?

cristidam

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

the Valahian Impalers

Mo/Me

from what i know on fire causes the highest degen rate, something like -7 or -8 per second (not sure)

egads

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

On Fire causes seven pips of degeneration (-14 health per second) whereas Poison causes causes four pips of degeneration (-8 health per second).

Venom

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Calgary, Canada

Idiot Savants

thank you!

fix dark

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

cali

Remnants of Ascalon

R/Mo

Poison is actually 3 negative pips a second, so that's less than half of the fire's negative pips.

Eskimo Bob

Eskimo Bob

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada, Alberta

Angelic Knights

W/Mo

But poison normaly lasts much longer than fire does. Fire lasts around 3 seconds, while poison can last a long time.

egads

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Poison is definitely four pips of health degeneration. Bleeding is three.

Crom the Conqueror

Crom the Conqueror

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

New York

Rage Three D

W/E

Poison last longer, and thus are more annoying and more deadly. More people get killed by poison than fire. Usually when you are on fire, it only last a few seconds, but poison, oh poison is hell.

Aaaaagh

Aaaaagh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by egads
Poison is definitely four pips of health degeneration. Bleeding is three.
Correct.

Morat

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Octavian Vanguard

R/E

Poisoning usually lasts long enough for a single ranger to cycle through the available targets and keep them ALL poisoned Its very effective. Of course, there's a great mesmer skill called epidemic http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/307-epidemic which makes Ranger/Mesmer a cool combo

Lord Malikai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Colorado

Imperial Fist Guild Leader

W/E

However, poison can be removed. Most of the time in PvP situations it is removed before the poison runs the full length. The duration of burning is so short due to its effectiveness. Take Rodgorts Invocation as an example, an AoE spell that hits all enemies in target foes location for 91 damage (at 12 fire mastery) and then sets them all on fire for 3 seconds, adding an additional 42 damage in burning. Total 133 damage. Compared to Poison arrow as an example, say 12 damage from the arrow hitting + 17 seconds of poison (at wilderness 12) would amount to 148 damage. But that 132 damage from being poisoned is over the course of 17 seconds, leaving ample time for healing or removing it. Don't get me wrong, poison is annoying as hell for monks to continously heal or remove, I do not argue that it is a powerful skill to have at your disposle but if you are looking for quick burst damage + degen, burning is a very effective tool.

Morat

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Octavian Vanguard

R/E

and a damage spike is often what you need compared with DoT to finish someone off... but stressing monks is always good too

Burem

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

East Coast USA

E/Me

I beg to differ, my Elem can light people on fire for 21 seconds.

Mark of Rodgort is teh l33t.

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burem
I beg to differ, my Elem can light people on fire for 21 seconds.

Mark of Rodgort is teh l33t.
Heh, you may be able to set them on fire for 21 seconds, but they only actually burn for 1-3.

Venom

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Calgary, Canada

Idiot Savants

Well, part of the reason I was asking is because I'm using Mark of Rodgort (16 seconds) with a fiery bow + conjure flame. I also have posion arrow/apply poison... Wanted to know which is more beneficial. As it stands, I'll be using conjure+mark+poison arrow. Helpful thread, thanks all

Rajamic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

IA

Chronicles of Heroes [CoH]

R/Me

Yeah with Mark of Rodgort or Incendiary Arrows, on fire is much more dangerous. Even if they remove the condition, oops, there it is again!

Jigokunoinu

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Venom
Well, part of the reason I was asking is because I'm using Mark of Rodgort (16 seconds) with a fiery bow + conjure flame. I also have posion arrow/apply poison... Wanted to know which is more beneficial. As it stands, I'll be using conjure+mark+poison arrow. Helpful thread, thanks all
Well of course 'on fire' and 'poisoned' is always going to be the best option ... (=

crow_killer

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

does a lot of this not depend on a rangers lvl like wilderness survival?

eA-Zaku

eA-Zaku

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

How about being a ranger AND an elementalist? Then you could set them on fire AND poison them