While talking to a guild mate last night, I got to wondering if Rangers are more limited with their stats then any other profession. Why? Because our primary weapon is a two-handed weapon and the stats never compare to having 2 single items in each hand. Every other class can viably use single handed weapons. As a result, they get more opportunities to add HP, Energy, and other helpful stats.
Unless I get extremly lucky and actually find a bow with some energy (I think I've seen one, total), it seems like I'll be stuck at 31 energy always as long as I stick with the Druid armor.
Does this seem right? Is there some sort of trade-off that Rangers get the benefit of that I'm not considering? I wonder if it'd be fair to allow Rangers to benefit from the stats of the item in their off-hand, even though it cannot really be used. For example, a shield. Perhaps wear it on their back.
Ranger stats limited?
Dumahim Ashenbane
pHobac
Rangers have Expertise to counter that energy loss. It lowers the cost of all ranger skills, if you're having energy problems I would suggest that you pump Expertise a little and see what it does for you. And only a ranger primary can have expertise, so no */R can get it.
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I dont know why I didn't post this at first. But there is a great bow upgrade that helps with energy concerns. A Zealous Bow String. Give up to 5 energy on hit, downside though is -1 to energy regen, but with a fast firing short bow and barrage, you will never have energy problems.
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I dont know why I didn't post this at first. But there is a great bow upgrade that helps with energy concerns. A Zealous Bow String. Give up to 5 energy on hit, downside though is -1 to energy regen, but with a fast firing short bow and barrage, you will never have energy problems.
Thanato
Expertise helps immensely, and i dont really see a 2 handed weapon as a disadvantage, get up on a cliff and throw some arrows downwards at some charr and marvel at the damage 
Dumahim Ashenbane
Expertise is nice, but it doesn't affect everything. It is helpful though.
But there is more to off-hand items then just adding extra energy. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen off-hand items with other stats.
But there is more to off-hand items then just adding extra energy. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen off-hand items with other stats.
ZennZero
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Originally Posted by Dumahim Ashenbane
Expertise is nice, but it doesn't affect everything. It is helpful though.
But there is more to off-hand items then just adding extra energy. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen off-hand items with other stats. |
Sundering Flatbow of Fortitude 15-28
up to 20% armor penetration
up to 20% extra damage when hp > 50%
up to +30hp
And thats just an example. Of course getting a really top notch bow and set of upgrades is hard, but it is very do-able.
Lasher Dragon
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Originally Posted by pHobac
Edit:: I dont know why I didn't post this at first. But there is a great bow upgrade that helps with energy concerns. A Zealous Bow String. Give up to 5 energy on hit, downside though is -1 to energy regen, but with a fast firing short bow and barrage, you will never have energy problems.
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Dumahim Ashenbane
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Originally Posted by ZennZero
This is true, but bows can have all kinds of stats applied too. For instance you could have a:
Sundering Flatbow of Fortitude 15-28 up to 20% armor penetration up to 20% extra damage when hp > 50% up to +30hp And thats just an example. Of course getting a really top notch bow and set of upgrades is hard, but it is very do-able. |
ICURADik
If you don't like using a ranged character... don't.
imaginary friend
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Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon
Actually, zealous bows only ever steal 1 energy per hit.
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barrage= multiple arrows in group.... energy gain on hit PER arrow and barrage can hit up to around 8 targets i think.... so yeah 5 energy per barrage sounds right... with the skill cost and everything
Sol_Vie
Even with 0 expertise, a zealous barrage is essentially free. With a higher expertise you're actually gaining energy while doing higher damage. Not too shabby.
NatalieD
If the inability to use a focus item is such a bad thing, then why do so many people use staves and hammers?
chaos dragoon
what was the point of bringing this back from the dead?
Bjornulve
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Originally Posted by NatalieD
If the inability to use a focus item is such a bad thing, then why do so many people use staves and hammers?
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Don Vito Corleone
u even can put ur experties to 0 and still have energy more than many proffessions, how?
u can use zaelos string with elite skill marksman's wager which provide as min 5 energy each hit for 12 sec but lose 10 energy every miss hit so u need zealos recurve bow
u can use zaelos string with elite skill marksman's wager which provide as min 5 energy each hit for 12 sec but lose 10 energy every miss hit so u need zealos recurve bow
Maxiemonster
There should be a Ranger off hand, something like Arrows of "Blalbla", that would be cool. Which would add something like +3 Life Stealing, +3 Fire Damage, +3 Water Damage, +3 Air Damage etc.
Former Ruling
Expertise applys to the situation because one of your complaints is that Bow using rangers are stuck at 32 (its 32, not 31) energy with Druids.
They dont need more..The MOST a ranger skill is going to cost under high expertise is about 13..and most rangers only use skills that cost 2-4 under expertise. Eles need 80 energy because they cast off 25 energy spells that cause exhaustion and such....
As for dealing less dmg than warriors - Bows have higher base dmg than Swords and Axes...Plus your not counting in preps. With preps and multiple arrow shots - a ranger can pack on dmg - and quick. Hence "RANGER Spike" teams. If you bring IWAY into the mix saying warriors can attack fast too - Remember that IWAY has Charm Animal for more ally deaths - and Charm Animal is a ranger skill
Their are also Wand using rangers..their called trappers..can get 60-70 energy.
They dont need more..The MOST a ranger skill is going to cost under high expertise is about 13..and most rangers only use skills that cost 2-4 under expertise. Eles need 80 energy because they cast off 25 energy spells that cause exhaustion and such....
As for dealing less dmg than warriors - Bows have higher base dmg than Swords and Axes...Plus your not counting in preps. With preps and multiple arrow shots - a ranger can pack on dmg - and quick. Hence "RANGER Spike" teams. If you bring IWAY into the mix saying warriors can attack fast too - Remember that IWAY has Charm Animal for more ally deaths - and Charm Animal is a ranger skill
Their are also Wand using rangers..their called trappers..can get 60-70 energy.
Don Vito Corleone
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Maxiemonster
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Originally Posted by Don Vito Corleone
did u see iway r/w team? lol
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Don Vito Corleone
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Former Ruling
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Originally Posted by Don Vito Corleone
did u see iway r/w team? lol
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And even with W/R ..IWAY really is only a "powerhouse" because of the /Ranger....
I wanna see an IWAY group try to use IWAY with noone having pets on the team..
Shimus DarkRaven
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Originally Posted by pHobac
Rangers have Expertise to counter that energy loss. It lowers the cost of all ranger skills, if you're having energy problems I would suggest that you pump Expertise a little and see what it does for you. And only a ranger primary can have expertise, so no */R can get it.
Edit:: I dont know why I didn't post this at first. But there is a great bow upgrade that helps with energy concerns. A Zealous Bow String. Give up to 5 energy on hit, downside though is -1 to energy regen, but with a fast firing short bow and barrage, you will never have energy problems. |
--The Shim
4runner
well i think the reason is thats rangers are very powerful enough as they are, they have alot of good skills, i see no reason for and off-hand weapon!!
I have that bow Zealous half moon of fortitude ithink??
15-28
+3 energy gain
-1 regen
10/10 armor penetration
I got it in the desert!! again ithink or SF dont remeber but it is my primary bow, never have energy problems even when laying traps!!
I have that bow Zealous half moon of fortitude ithink??
15-28
+3 energy gain
-1 regen
10/10 armor penetration
I got it in the desert!! again ithink or SF dont remeber but it is my primary bow, never have energy problems even when laying traps!!
TwinRaven
The Bow in itself is only one part of the Rangers vast arsenal of resources...With High Expertise and Wilderness Survival set to the max using all 5 traps (I'm including Healing Spring) Troll Ungent, Throw dirt and Whirling defense....I do an butt-load (that's a metric butt-load, not the smaller standard butt-load) of damage....I know, I know....we've been "nerfed" by giving the mob's AI the common sense to come in outta the flame-traps, but they still run away blind, crippled, on fire and bleeding...I drop Healing Spring to give the Monk a break ....rinse/repeat....plenty of power there...just use the bow for pulling mobs, otherwise you may as well be "wanding" foes to death.
NatalieD
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Originally Posted by Bjornulve
I could be wrong, but it seems to me like staves are equal to having a wand and an idol (or other off hand).
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So what makes y'all so sure that bows aren't be balanced with weapon/offhand pairs? It can't be just that they're two-handed, or staves and hammers would be unbalanced as well. So what is it that makes bows so weak?
Shoyin
I have to add i more + to ranger.Elemental Resistance on armor,alot more than any other char
Tactical-Dillusions
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Originally Posted by Shimus DarkRaven
Exactly. And with a +4 regen, taking one away for bow string is hardly a bad thing to do. Especially with expertise.
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I'd like to see some more mods on bows though. They are definitely lacking. Where are the bows of wilderness survival etc?
UltimaXtreme
what are you talking about, expertise could make your energy unlimited. go look at the expertise chart www.gwonline.net
oh and btw if your a ranger you shouldn't have any spells on you, cuz those dont take effect /w expertise.
oh and btw if your a ranger you shouldn't have any spells on you, cuz those dont take effect /w expertise.
Align
Bow compared to other weapons!
Pro: Ranged(ZOMG three free hits since you cant shoot while moving)
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Con: less DPS than a warrior weapon IIRC
No off-hand items, ever, so a max of 2 mods(not counting +15% > 50%hp etc).
Can't be the same 2 mods(so no +60 hp like staves)
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Though that doesn't make bows crap or anything; skills aren't taken into account at all.
Pro: Ranged(ZOMG three free hits since you cant shoot while moving)
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Con: less DPS than a warrior weapon IIRC
No off-hand items, ever, so a max of 2 mods(not counting +15% > 50%hp etc).
Can't be the same 2 mods(so no +60 hp like staves)
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Though that doesn't make bows crap or anything; skills aren't taken into account at all.